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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    Ryan as prez? Or Ivanka? Or bannon? Or Pence? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! As GF would say!
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    You mean legacy? Ha! Like Trump is going to have legs? Like nixon? Like not even 90 days in? Shart he blows!

    You seriously have zero credibility, zero, like Spice, Spice, Baby.
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,943
    Time to move out of the USA. We are governed by a bunch of idiots.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Time to move out of the USA. We are governed by a bunch of idiots.

    Don't come here...we're going to the shit house.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
    Hahaha that's funny!
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
    Hahaha that's funny!
    That bolded part is why the bill failed. The members didn't march in lockstep. You can't dispute that. So sorry.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
    Hahaha that's funny!
    That bolded part is why the bill failed. The members didn't march in lockstep. You can't dispute that. So sorry.
    Marching in lockstep and thinking in lockstep are different, Ryan wanted all the same provisions as the extremist FC, but he knew it wasn't possible.
    16 candidates ran for the GOP and not one of them expressed anything out of lockstep, contrast that with Sanders and Clinton and you see how uniform the GOP is in thought. Where the Dems have a broader range of ideology, they unite to get done what they can and the extremists of the GOP refuse to do so.

    Ask Tomi Lahren how diverse conservative thought is allowed to be lol
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    we shall see, my friend, we shall see. It's entirely possible that those corrupt fucks needed to be surveilled.

    the only other victory the Dems have had has been the Pudzer withdrawal, so the failure of the wealthcare bill is pretty spectacular...

    Spicer's assertion that the team left it all out there is pretty laughable. They didn't even think about trying, after claiming for the entire campaign and election cycle that he had a plan to R&R the "disaster that is Obamacare" , yet after only two months he's seen enough. Granted, those 2 months have seemed like 2 fucking years. The republican plan did not even think about fixing what is broken in the ACA, like the the most glaring fact that it just makes sure that everyone buys INSURANCE instead of ensuring that people actually get health care. The law is called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. pathetic.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
    Hahaha that's funny!
    That bolded part is why the bill failed. The members didn't march in lockstep. You can't dispute that. So sorry.
    Marching in lockstep and thinking in lockstep are different, Ryan wanted all the same provisions as the extremist FC, but he knew it wasn't possible.
    16 candidates ran for the GOP and not one of them expressed anything out of lockstep, contrast that with Sanders and Clinton and you see how uniform the GOP is in thought. Where the Dems have a broader range of ideology, they unite to get done what they can and the extremists of the GOP refuse to do so.

    Ask Tomi Lahren how diverse conservative thought is allowed to be lol
    The bill failed because people in the GOP house wanted different things as per there different districts. There were massive ideological differences between the conservatives and the moderates that were barely reported on. Freedom of thought led to the failure. Clinton and Sanders meanwhile barely displayed any difference at all except on maybe trade but with time she opportunistically moved to his side. This lack of thought differences continued into the DNC chairperson election where every person took the exact same position on everything. That election was only about who's people got to maintain control and the establisment won.

    Now as far as Tomi Lahren is concerned...She isn't being attacked because of being pro-choice...she is being attacked (not by me by the way) because she is "all of a sudden pro-choice" after only recently taking the opposite position. While some are not happy with her now being "pro-choice" they are more unhappy with her apparent display of opportunism...as per above it's Clintonian. She built her career on the conservative side and now that she is getting invitations to The View she is apparently changing her positions for a new/larger audience. Personally I don't care about the whole story but it is far more about a media personality changing positions to build a brand.


  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Tiki said:

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    we shall see, my friend, we shall see. It's entirely possible that those corrupt fucks needed to be surveilled.

    the only other victory the Dems have had has been the Pudzer withdrawal, so the failure of the wealthcare bill is pretty spectacular...

    Spicer's assertion that the team left it all out there is pretty laughable. They didn't even think about trying, after claiming for the entire campaign and election cycle that he had a plan to R&R the "disaster that is Obamacare" , yet after only two months he's seen enough. Granted, those 2 months have seemed like 2 fucking years. The republican plan did not even think about fixing what is broken in the ACA, like the the most glaring fact that it just makes sure that everyone buys INSURANCE instead of ensuring that people actually get health care. The law is called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. pathetic.
    Haha. "It's possible those corrupt fucks needed to be surveilled".

    There it is... the "corrupt fucks" defense.

    I hope you'll be ok when the Trump administration takes the same poisiton as they approach 2020.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    Trump was never going to gas a bunch of Jews like Hitler, but he definitely governs with an authoritarian bent. The reason he's not been able to get whatever he wants, whenever he wants so far is largely due to people resisting. So don't get cocky and don't take your eye off the ball.

    A big reason the health care bill failed was because it was politically untenable. People HATED it, and they let their Congresspeople know. So to say Trump is "all hype" and we don't have to worry about him -- that's the exact moment we do have to start worrying, when we let our guard down.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    republicans - posers.

  • ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry!
    Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.!
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    Trump was never going to gas a bunch of Jews like Hitler, but he definitely governs with an authoritarian bent. The reason he's not been able to get whatever he wants, whenever he wants so far is largely due to people resisting. So don't get cocky and don't take your eye off the ball.

    A big reason the health care bill failed was because it was politically untenable. People HATED it, and they let their Congresspeople know. So to say Trump is "all hype" and we don't have to worry about him -- that's the exact moment we do have to start worrying, when we let our guard down.
    So far their has been zero evidence that he governs with an "authoritarian bent". That is just an emotional feeling you have. It is based on nothing. He tweets, he signs some executive orders subject to judicial restraint and he tries to get legislation through congress. No different then any other president before him. The authoritarian narrative is just your projection.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275

    ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry!
    Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.!

    Which begs the question....why are you incapable of avoiding that? Why can't you make a "deal" to make sure the system that provides care to millions of people does not "explode"?

    Trump is a fucking dumbass. There is no other explanation.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?

    No. One can do anything with 60 votes in the senate. The democrats party has been decimated across the US since the day Obamacare passed. They "won" with the bill but "lost" politically. What Pelosi is good at is keeping all the democratic underlings in line. She controls the purse strings and the keys to power in the democratic party and if you want funding and/or support you must march in lockstep with her demands. This is the major difference philosophically between the two parties. Just as you see on university campuses and elswhere "progressivism" demands obedience of thought...one cannot stray or there will be consequences. Conservatism allows freedom of thought which makes unification on issues trickier because even the lowest member on the political totem poll can disagree thereby throwing a wrench into the works. This is why the battle against progressives is so very difficult because only progressive parties are willing to break the thumbs of it's own members. Pelosi is good at breaking thumbs.
    Hahaha that's funny!
    That bolded part is why the bill failed. The members didn't march in lockstep. You can't dispute that. So sorry.
    Marching in lockstep and thinking in lockstep are different, Ryan wanted all the same provisions as the extremist FC, but he knew it wasn't possible.
    16 candidates ran for the GOP and not one of them expressed anything out of lockstep, contrast that with Sanders and Clinton and you see how uniform the GOP is in thought. Where the Dems have a broader range of ideology, they unite to get done what they can and the extremists of the GOP refuse to do so.

    Ask Tomi Lahren how diverse conservative thought is allowed to be lol
    The Gorusch vote will be the test. There is zero reason to oppose him based on qualification. Do the dems march in lockstep in opposition or are the red state dems able to vote for his confirmation? It appears that only Manchin so far is willing to buck the establishment. We'll see if other join him. Will the AMT figt for tickets to the next Jon Tester benefit concert if he votes yes?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    Trump was never going to gas a bunch of Jews like Hitler, but he definitely governs with an authoritarian bent. The reason he's not been able to get whatever he wants, whenever he wants so far is largely due to people resisting. So don't get cocky and don't take your eye off the ball.

    A big reason the health care bill failed was because it was politically untenable. People HATED it, and they let their Congresspeople know. So to say Trump is "all hype" and we don't have to worry about him -- that's the exact moment we do have to start worrying, when we let our guard down.
    So far their has been zero evidence that he governs with an "authoritarian bent". That is just an emotional feeling you have. It is based on nothing. He tweets, he signs some executive orders subject to judicial restraint and he tries to get legislation through congress. No different then any other president before him. The authoritarian narrative is just your projection.
    No, the authoritarian posture is his schtik. He just can't accomplish it in our Republic.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,943

    ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry!
    Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.!

    Which begs the question....why are you incapable of avoiding that? Why can't you make a "deal" to make sure the system that provides care to millions of people does not "explode"?

    Trump is a fucking dumbass. There is no other explanation.
    Yep. These are arguments that a selfish child would make.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275

    ObamaCare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry!
    Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.!

    Which begs the question....why are you incapable of avoiding that? Why can't you make a "deal" to make sure the system that provides care to millions of people does not "explode"?

    Trump is a fucking dumbass. There is no other explanation.
    Yep. These are arguments that a selfish child would make.
    And to top it off....the GOP initial response to their failure was to say "the Dems own Obamacare now". How stupid is that?

    The Dems wanted the GOP bill to fail....it did.

    If I led the dems I would be demanding that the GOP take ownership of healthcare. They claim it needs fixed yet they are too incompetent to put a bill together to fix it. That's on them.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    edited March 2017
    As things get messy in the US, other countries pull back.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/03/24/tdsb-us-trips_n_15580136.html

    The Toronto school board has decided not to book further trips to the US, given possible entry restrictions at the border for some students. Trips that are already booked and paid for will go ahead, but if a single student is refused entry the whole class/team will turn back. All for one and one for all. Girl Guides of Canada has already announced they will not book trips to the US at this point.*

    Edit: *Usual disclaimer - don't read the comments :). Unless you want to read the predictable "good riddance, we don't want you here anyway".
    Post edited by oftenreading on
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  • As things get messy in the US, other countries pull back.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/03/24/tdsb-us-trips_n_15580136.html

    Not sure what your point is. I read that article a few days ago and this stuck out then as does now
    A Winnipeg junior high school cancelled a trip by its track team to Minnesota in January because it wasn't certain all students would be able to cross the border.
    It's pretty simple really, if you don't meet all the requirements to enter a country you don't get in. Period.
    The school should wonder why the student may not be able to cross and address that not blame President Trump.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    Trump was never going to gas a bunch of Jews like Hitler, but he definitely governs with an authoritarian bent. The reason he's not been able to get whatever he wants, whenever he wants so far is largely due to people resisting. So don't get cocky and don't take your eye off the ball.

    A big reason the health care bill failed was because it was politically untenable. People HATED it, and they let their Congresspeople know. So to say Trump is "all hype" and we don't have to worry about him -- that's the exact moment we do have to start worrying, when we let our guard down.
    So far their has been zero evidence that he governs with an "authoritarian bent". That is just an emotional feeling you have. It is based on nothing. He tweets, he signs some executive orders subject to judicial restraint and he tries to get legislation through congress. No different then any other president before him. The authoritarian narrative is just your projection.
    If you think there's "zero evidence" I don't think you've been paying attention. I also don't think you have a very good understanding of how autocrats come into power.

    You're going to tell me Trump has displayed a healthy respect for our constitutional institutions, the rule of law and cultural norms. Yeah, get out of here with that.

    Yes, "he tweets" .... constant attacks on the judiciary and the free press, the only two checks against his authority in our society. He has his followers believing that he is the only one to be trusted. He has attempted to purge the government of people he finds "disloyal" to him. Breitbart operates as state-run media. If you talk to people who have studied the modern rise of autocrats in Eastern Europe will tell you he is fairly brazenly stealing from their playbook.

    Not every autocrat looks like Mussolini. Nowadays, they look more like Viktor Orban. It's where Trump would head, if we let him.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Gorsuch is a fight I would not pick if I were the Democrats, although there are good arguments for them to pick it.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    mrussel1 said:

    Here is the byline on Breitbart... does it shock you that they are blaming Ryan and calling for his replacement? Bannon has been working against Ryan for two years now.

    Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass.

    Paul Ryan is a huge dick head obviously, so this is actually pretty good news despite the ridiculousness. I hope Ryam'sncaeer crashes and burns - I'm not too picky about how it goes down.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Awwww, there's an amazingly cute little trump March in philly today. I'd say a whole 75 people showed up.

    The radical left had a massive group show up to shut it down, in their words, and there was about 4 times as many people. There was a lot of worry about it turning violent but so far it has stayed peaceful.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.



    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    My understanding is that they put themselves in a place to be spied on. Is this not correct? They weren't being spied on because they were political opposition.

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086

    Awwww, there's an amazingly cute little trump March in philly today. I'd say a whole 75 people showed up.

    The radical left had a massive group show up to shut it down, in their words, and there was about 4 times as many people. There was a lot of worry about it turning violent but so far it has stayed peaceful.

    They must have refused payment from Soros to be violent.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Tiki said:

    I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.







    But who's hype was this? This is why the Trump is parallel Hitler stuff was such nonsense. Did Hitler have trouble getting bills passed? Did Mussolini? The first few weeks after the election the AMT was all "We're heading towards facism!!!!". Now the only facism on display is that of the past administration who spied on it's political enemies.
    Trump was never going to gas a bunch of Jews like Hitler, but he definitely governs with an authoritarian bent. The reason he's not been able to get whatever he wants, whenever he wants so far is largely due to people resisting. So don't get cocky and don't take your eye off the ball.

    A big reason the health care bill failed was because it was politically untenable. People HATED it, and they let their Congresspeople know. So to say Trump is "all hype" and we don't have to worry about him -- that's the exact moment we do have to start worrying, when we let our guard down.
    So far their has been zero evidence that he governs with an "authoritarian bent". That is just an emotional feeling you have. It is based on nothing. He tweets, he signs some executive orders subject to judicial restraint and he tries to get legislation through congress. No different then any other president before him. The authoritarian narrative is just your projection.
    No, the authoritarian posture is his schtik. He just can't accomplish it in our Republic.
    So long as enough of us remain vigilant, he cannot.
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