Should Betsy DeVos be confirmed as Secretary of Education?

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    No
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
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  • a5pj
    a5pj Hershey PA Posts: 3,976
    No
    School Psych here
    Let's do this simply
    1. your tax dollars go to pay for public education, which have standards (no common core isn't perfect but it's what we've got)
    2. with school choice "vouchers" whatever, you can pick whatever school you want, and take your funding with you
    3. these private school have no standards, can hire anyone and pay them nothing, can teach religion (church / state anyone?) and provide no protection for students, especially those with disabilities. For example your kid has autism, sorry we aren't taking them. Your kid pissed off the wrong teacher, gone. Your kid needs extra help? an IEP? tough
    4. When these kids take their funding to go to these private schools the public schools then have less resources to educate, which will end up being mostly students with disabilities who need the most resources.

    That's very short but hopefully makes some people think
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    No
    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
    no, my point was, how do you know if someone is praying on school property? not everyone that prays has the palms of their hands together in front of their face.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,631
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
    no, my point was, how do you know if someone is praying on school property? not everyone that prays has the palms of their hands together in front of their face.
    Exactly I don't need a church for me to pray or have to be on my knees , I pray all the time when I'm walking thru a forest or swimming or walking on the beach !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited February 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
    no, my point was, how do you know if someone is praying on school property? not everyone that prays has the palms of their hands together in front of their face.
    Maybe you are right, after seeing some of the products out of public education lately cleary thinking is already banned.

    Use your head, clearly someone sitting somewhere quietly and is not dusturbing anyone isn't a threat. Obvious actions are exactly that. I am sure the ACLU will take up the first case of someone not being allowed to roll out their rug all the while shitting on the guy carrying a Bible.

    Or do you prefer government develop some sort of brain scanner to ensure pure, unreligious thought?

    Your argument implies educators are incapable of discretion nor capable of making a decison.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:

    oftenreading said:

    Religion, all religions, should not be the base or the reference point for public education. However, it's completely permissible to teach about religions, as long as you don't bias it for or against any particular religion.

    Good luck with that.
    Seems to work fine where I live.

    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yeah, an overhaul is definately required.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
    no, my point was, how do you know if someone is praying on school property? not everyone that prays has the palms of their hands together in front of their face.
    Maybe you are right, after seeing some of the products out of public education lately cleary thinking is already banned.

    Use your head, clearly someone sitting somewhere quietly and is not dusturbing anyone isn't a threat. Obvious actions are exactly that. I am sure the ACLU will take up the first case of someone not being allowed to roll out their rug all the while shitting on the guy carrying a Bible.

    Or do you prefer government develop some sort of brain scanner to ensure pure, unreligious thought?

    Your argument implies educators are incapable of discretion nor capable of making a decison.
    Your stance suggests some sort of Christian victimization is happening. Be careful, you're who they want on their side. My point earlier was about school sanctioned prayer. I can see schools trying to get that going.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    No
    unsung said:

    Yeah, an overhaul is definately required.

    Shehas no education experience apparently... She can run for chairperson!
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    No
    unsung said:

    Boom!

    HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!

    The Bill is one sentence long.

    There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?

    unsung said:

    Boom!

    HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!

    The Bill is one sentence long.

    There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?

    Clearly again, you have no kids in public schools. And you have no developmentally disabled kids in public schools. We have federally mandated programs that allow them a fair treatment and education (FAPE, IDEA). That DeVos knows nothing about. But that's OK because she's gonna be busy funneling money from public school funding to her private charter schools that are failing, because there are no regulations. Why not? She's making out big-time here Financially, and that's all she and her family care about.

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,631
    Can you imagine if you walked into bank job interview and the 1st ? Is ..
    Do you have any experience working for a bank and you stated no I just use the ATM machines !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    No

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    No
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    http://nypost.com/2017/02/05/the-war-on-betsy-devos-is-all-about-the-teachers-unions/

    I am inclined to agree.

    I am inclinded to call bullshit.
    The Post is a tabloid. I'm actually against teachers unions. There is no need for teachers to have a union anymore, and I still call bullshit.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,631
    Free said:


    Thank you thank you ! I hope voters take into account this info ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    No
    Free said:

    unsung said:

    Boom!

    HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!

    The Bill is one sentence long.

    There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?

    unsung said:

    Boom!

    HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!

    The Bill is one sentence long.

    There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?

    Clearly again, you have no kids in public schools. And you have no developmentally disabled kids in public schools. We have federally mandated programs that allow them a fair treatment and education (FAPE, IDEA). That DeVos knows nothing about. But that's OK because she's gonna be busy funneling money from public school funding to her private charter schools that are failing, because there are no regulations. Why not? She's making out big-time here Financially, and that's all she and her family care about.

    Good luck getting a rational response to this.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    No
    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!

    In what way?
    If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.

    It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
    Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.
    I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!
    Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.
    you think you shouldn't be allowed to pray on school property? so anyone deep in thought could be accused and expelled?

    I have no issue with teaching the history of religion, but not religion itself.
    So thinking is now religious?
    no, my point was, how do you know if someone is praying on school property? not everyone that prays has the palms of their hands together in front of their face.
    Maybe you are right, after seeing some of the products out of public education lately cleary thinking is already banned.

    Use your head, clearly someone sitting somewhere quietly and is not dusturbing anyone isn't a threat. Obvious actions are exactly that. I am sure the ACLU will take up the first case of someone not being allowed to roll out their rug all the while shitting on the guy carrying a Bible.

    Or do you prefer government develop some sort of brain scanner to ensure pure, unreligious thought?

    Your argument implies educators are incapable of discretion nor capable of making a decison.
    use MY head? YOU stated you wanted the act of prayer abolished on school grounds. I asked a perfectly sound question, addressing the obvious flaws, not only in principle, but in enforcement.

    who the fuck is shitting on a guy walking around with a bible? it's very simple: don't teach religion, but practice it yourself wherever the fuck you want. I'm not sure what's so problematic about that.

    basically your prayer in schools stance is the exact same as trump's travel ban. no muslim praying disguised as equal ban for all.

    and to your last question: where did I advocate for no religious thought? that was actually your idea. at least no on school grounds, anyway.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2017
    No
    josevolution said:

    Can you imagine if you walked into bank job interview and the 1st ? Is ..
    Do you have any experience working for a bank and you stated no I just use the ATM machines !

    It really was never a question about qualification. She paid each and every Republican senator for their vote and that was after giving Trump $200 million.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    No
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjdHI6KI-fQ

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