Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    Trump, mocking claim that Russia hacked election is at odds with GOP.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/trump-mocking-claim-that-russia-hacked-election-at-odds-with-gop.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

    He should mock it because the concept that Hillary lost "because of" hacking is mockable. That doesn't mean hacking didn't occur but the idea that there is a straight line from that hack to Clinton's loss is silly. The rust belt didn't flip because of the Russians.
    You are missing the point. This is about an outside force influencing the American election (according to the CIA). Not about who won or lost.

    You are on the wrong side if you think this shouldn't be investigated. Go where the evidence leads you. If they find nothing, great, we can move on. Trump outright dismissing it is, not surprisingly, bad judgment.
    Ahh...ok...I'm all for an investigation but glad you concede that they might find nothing. On the flip side though...what if they find something? There is no doubt that russia is hacking everybody...the DNC, the RNC, Trump, the Clinton server etc. Once that is proven what do you propose the US government do about it? I am all for a muscular response but my guess is the bulk of progressives will have zero interest in pushing back. Pushing back against Trump sure but not against Russia.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited December 2016
    We can't be bothered to look at ourselves.

    Let's do what mainstream media wants us to: distract Americans from real American problems. Like normalizing a Trump presidency. Like Dems continuing to wallow in denial and refusing to do ANYTHING at this point but continue to point blame elsewhere.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2016
    OP
    In your opine why do you think Russia was involved?
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i'm happy cuz someone finally stood up to Obama. thank you Putin
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed To Elect Trump
    http://n.pr/2h91bNV
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Such a conspiracy!!!
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    Free said:

    Such a conspiracy!!!

    I could be wrong, but you, and others on here, seem to be okay with the possibility that an outside entity (russia) may have interfered with the U.S. election.

    No matter who you supported, or didn't support, there should NEVER be any outside influence on U.S. elections.

    If there was an outside influence and anyone in the RNC or the Trump campaign was aware then, if possible, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I would say the same for any nominee.

    And, if necessary, the election voided and done over.

    Namaste'
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Bentleyspop said:

    CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed To Elect Trump
    http://n.pr/2h91bNV

    Well that settles it then.
    No need to discuss further the libs/radlibs were right.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    I don't understand why Russia would want to tilt the election to Trump. Are they looking to be equal partners in the killing of brown people around the globe? Do they think Trump is an idiot and can easily be dupped into helping them reestablish the Soviet Empire? I know Micheal Flynn likes Putin. He got a nice check and sat with him at dinner once. It seems like a few people during the campaign had Russian connections. Manafort or something like that. Is it the sanctions? Maybe Trump likes Putin because he's white and Christian? Maybe the Trump team can help clarify what their position on Russia is? Their is no clarity. It's like they have something to hide. I don't get it. please help me understand. Thanks. Also I don't give a fuck that Hillary lost. Sure, I,wish she would of won but a foreign country interfering with our election is fucked up. Although im sure the U.S interferes with elections all the time. Probably doing it right now.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Is this about hacking, propaganda, or actually vote tallies? unless Russia actually hacked and changed vote totals in real time, I say shame on us. All the propaganda and Russian hacking in the world couldn't get me to vote for the man with a golden toilet.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    You have to follow the trail that leads directly to Putin just start with the top choice for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson who received the highest medal given out by Russia , its easy just connect the dots !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    CH156378 said:

    Is this about hacking, propaganda, or actually vote tallies? unless Russia actually hacked and changed vote totals in real time, I say shame on us. All the propaganda and Russian hacking in the world couldn't get me to vote for the man with a golden toilet.

    i know, i know
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Watch this thread fall as fast as this Russian conspiracy out of the headlines.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    CH156378 said:

    Is this about hacking, propaganda, or actually vote tallies? unless Russia actually hacked and changed vote totals in real time, I say shame on us. All the propaganda and Russian hacking in the world couldn't get me to vote for the man with a golden toilet.

    Hacking and propaganda. As far as I know there is no evidence of vote rigging.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    I've not come across one liberal person who has said the hacking cost the Dems the election. I also haven't seen anyone saying that this should be investigated because it could magically change the results of the election. A foreign nation hacked our election system. I don't care if that country is Russia, Tanzania or England, if you hack us, we should look into it so that we find out what went wrong, what type of information was compromised and how we make sure that it doesn't happen again. This isn't fucking rocket science. It shouldn't be that hard to see why it needs to be looked into.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    ledvedderman said:

    I've not come across one liberal person who has said the hacking cost the Dems the election. I also haven't seen anyone saying that this should be investigated because it could magically change the results of the election. A foreign nation hacked our election system. I don't care if that country is Russia, Tanzania or England, if you hack us, we should look into it so that we find out what went wrong, what type of information was compromised and how we make sure that it doesn't happen again. This isn't fucking rocket science. It shouldn't be that hard to see why it needs to be looked into.

    I don't think there is evidence they hacked your election system. There is some evidence that they hacked the RNC, DNC and possibly John Podesta. That is different.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    I work for a state election board that was hacked. Is that evidence enough for you?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ledvedderman said:

    I work for a state election board that was hacked. Is that evidence enough for you?

    And you voted for President-elect Trump.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    I work for a state election board that was hacked. Is that evidence enough for you?

    And you voted for President-elect Trump.
    Ha! Sorry, my man. That isn't something I was willing to do.
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