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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    The Trump legal team is likely very aware of it already.  I think he has bad lawyers.  The good ones won't take his case. 
  • CM189191
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    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    The Trump legal team is likely very aware of it already.  I think he has bad lawyers.  The good ones won't take his case. 

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    The Trump legal team is likely very aware of it already.  I think he has bad lawyers.  The good ones won't take his case. 


    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    This shit keeps getting worse
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    edited January 2019
    CM189191 said:
    Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting charged with obstruction of justice
    Natalia Veselnitskaya was at the 2016 Trump Tower meeting convened after Trump campaign officials were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-lawyer-trump-tower-meeting-trump-officials-charged-obstruction-civil-n956156

    US v. Prevezon was a case being prosecuted by SDNY, headed at the time by Preet Bharara.   Preet was fired by Trump, and that this case was subsequently settled by Jeff Sessions. 

    This case is also the pretense under which Natalia was in country for the Trump Tower meeting.  She was issued her temporary visa to come to the US to work on literally this case. 

    It involved Magnitsky, who got whacked by Russia, which is why Russian oligarchs got sanctioned, as well as US banning Russian adoptions.  Trump Jr. claimed the meeting in Trump Tower was about adoptions. 

    Russia wants the sanctions gone and had something to trade for it.  Natalia was also screening a movie about Magnitsky while in the country.  Dana Rohrabacher (Putin's favorite Congressman) attended the party she threw. 

    This all happened within days of the leaked take where Paul Ryan swears the GOP to secrecy on tape after Kevin McCarthy joked that Putin paid both Trump and Rohrabacher. 

    Preet was also banned from travelling to Russia as a response to the sanctions.
    And the original SDNY case involved $230MM in tax scheme and money laundering where Russian mobsters created fake US companies that filed false tax rebate and loss statements and took the money and invested it in high end and luxury real estate, some of it in Manhattan, defrauding the US Treasury. Jeff Sessions settled the case for $5MM, pennies on the dollar. Sound familiar? Quid pro quo.

    Is Team Trump Treason rounding up Russians and deporting them? Separating kids from parents? Why not?

    Oh the fruit from the poisonous tree and the brilliant, brilliance of disappearing headlines brilliancy.

    Follow the money from Russia with love, via US Treasury, and a PTape all the way to impeachment.


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  • CM189191
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    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    The Trump legal team is likely very aware of it already.  I think he has bad lawyers.  The good ones won't take his case. 


    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    This shit keeps getting worse
    ...by the minute.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    If I'm reading this right - Manafort's attorneys f'd up the redaction, making everything visible to reading.  In effect jeopardizing an ongoing investigation and tipping off tRUmp.  The judge is going to roast someone over this.
    Obstruction of justice?
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  • CM189191
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME 
    conspiracy is tho
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

    THIS IS COLLUSION 
    COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME 
    conspiracy is tho
    And obstruction of justice. Just posting what the Team Trump Treason talking heads will say. I know the score. Impeachment is real.
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  • CM189191
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    Obama :  And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

    Russia : way ahead of you!

    Christian charity provided money to Russians attending National Prayer Breakfast amid influence campaign

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/christian-charity-provided-money-russians-attending-national-prayer-breakfast-amid-influence-campaign-report/
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    CM189191 said:
    Obama :  And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

    Russia : way ahead of you!

    Christian charity provided money to Russians attending National Prayer Breakfast amid influence campaign

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/christian-charity-provided-money-russians-attending-national-prayer-breakfast-amid-influence-campaign-report/
    Those godless and gunless communists no less. How deep did they need to reach in their desperation? But who’s really surprised, figuring we haven’t heard much from the NRA of late? Guess Alexandria hasn’t come for their guns? Yet?
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  • Smellyman
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    CM189191 said:

    way too long and well thought out for our friends on the right.

    Can it be narrowed down to something like 'lock her up' MAGA 'America First' or 'Build the Wall'
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  • dignin
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    CM189191 said:



    But her emails.

    Oh, what could have been.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    dignin said:
    CM189191 said:



    But her emails.

    Oh, what could have been.
    Yup. Imagine what all anti-trump people could have accomplished if they didn’t have to focus their energy on this guy.
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  • benjs
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    edited January 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    CM189191 said:



    But her emails.

    Oh, what could have been.
    Yup. Imagine what all anti-trump people could have accomplished if they didn’t have to focus their energy on this guy.
    I guess us 'anti-Trumpers' just lack the ability to ignore buildings on fire. It's clear I should be ashamed and would be better off ignoring any circumstantial evidence leading me to come to reasonable conclusions because... some guy named cincybearcat on the Pearl Jam Forums suggested it. I subscribe to "where there's smoke, first ascertain who told you there's smoke, then check it out. If you still see smoke, there's probably fire". Hilary Clinton is far from a saint, but the level of corruption being readily ignored every single day is astonishing.

    Edit: And the suggestions to "just relax", and claim that this is relatively normal, is something that only someone in serious denial could state.
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  • cincybearcat
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    benjs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    CM189191 said:



    But her emails.

    Oh, what could have been.
    Yup. Imagine what all anti-trump people could have accomplished if they didn’t have to focus their energy on this guy.
    I guess us 'anti-Trumpers' just lack the ability to ignore buildings on fire. It's clear I should be ashamed and would be better off ignoring any circumstantial evidence leading me to come to reasonable conclusions because... some guy named cincybearcat on the Pearl Jam Forums suggested it. I subscribe to "where there's smoke, first ascertain who told you there's smoke, then check it out. If you still see smoke, there's probably fire". Hilary Clinton is far from a saint, but the level of corruption being readily ignored every single day is astonishing.

    Edit: And the suggestions to "just relax", and claim that this is relatively normal, is something that only someone in serious denial could state.
    Not sure what their was in that took take offense. There is a lot of energy spent every day on trump. I’ve been pretty clear that I think trump is awful. And if he wasn’t there we could be having much more productive conversations.

    seriously - look at all the energy that goes into trump. A lot of it valid, some of it craziness. 


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