my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?
i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....
by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent
as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks
my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?
i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....
by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent
as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks
"He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6.
And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?
i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....
by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent
as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks
"He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6.
And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit.
now i'm a child? lol..... this is the circling and badgering that gets allowed here.... and this is a main culprit..... this had nothing to do with this poster, and my post had nothing to do with this poster... i asked nicely to not engage with me.... but of course the poking continues
my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?
i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....
by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent
as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks
"He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6.
And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit.
now i'm a child? lol..... this is the circling and badgering that gets allowed here.... and this is a main culprit..... this had nothing to do with this poster, and my post had nothing to do with this poster... i asked nicely to not engage with me.... but of course the poking continues
thanks
I feel comfortable that Kat will not find much to object to in my post, but if she does I’m happy to hear from her about it.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Maybe all the trump threads should be closed for a while. I am a member of a few other sites that use to allow political discussion threads, they have completely banned political discussion because sometimes the threads get personal, and that is human nature I guess.
Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.
He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). So........no. 40-46 is not even close.
Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).
The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).
Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.
He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). So........no. 40-46 is not even close.
Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).
The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).
since you cant talk to me without being personal, passive aggressive, dismissive, and condescending i think it would be best if you didn't engage with me.... maybe when you can do so without being rude, but until then its probably best.... thanks
Here we go again. Another thread about to get locked.
like i said.... wont be because of me.... I've been nothing but respectful and polite today and asked people to engage with me respectfully and not make it personal... if they have a problem with that, don't know what to tell you
and if people don't get Blues Brothers references, well, sucks to be them lol
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Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.
He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). So........no. 40-46 is not even close.
Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).
The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).
since you cant talk to me without being personal, passive aggressive, dismissive, and condescending i think it would be best if you didn't engage with me.... maybe when you can do so without being rude, but until then its probably best.... thanks
Your feelings seem to be hurt because you keep losing arguments on here. I get it, I think. But it's no excuse to cry to the moderators left and right. I'm sure they're tired of dealing with stuff like this.
Your numbers were wrong. I corrected them. If you felt they were still right, you could have responded as such. Instead you chose to cry to Kat because you couldn't get your way. There are grown up ways and childish ways of dealing with things. You're choosing the latter time and time again.
PM if if you'd like to discuss further. I'd rather not have you get another thread shut down. Thanks.
I said he was at about 45%.... you point out he is at about 43%............. really? got nothing better to do? what's the range of error on polling? for the record he is at 43.2 with likely voters
I said Obama was 40-46 in year 3... Gallup average shows Obama average approval rating as follows... Quarter 9 46.7%.... Quarter 10 46.8%... Quarter 11 41%... Quarter 12 43.3%............... sooooooooo, yeah..... go lecture Gallup........ (side note - Obama was in the mid 40's pretty much all of 2012 leading up to the election)
don't care about ceilings.... I am well aware Trump isn't very popular, thanks for the breaking news lol.......... but guess what my friend, he was never popular and was BEHIND ALL THE POLLS IN 2016....... AND WON...... remember that, ye poll master? lol
also.... his numbers are certainly not good.... but they are very stable, which could be a potential problem..... also, after the honeymoon period, Obamas numbers were in the 40's for most of his Presidency... keep in mind these numbers are without an opponent, and I think Trump thrives with an opponent... so I tread with caution into 2020, while you show the same dismissive hubris you did in 2016
I said he was at about 45%.... you point out he is at about 43%............. really? got nothing better to do? what's the range of error on polling? for the record he is at 43.2 with likely voters
I said Obama was 40-46 in year 3... Gallup average shows Obama average approval rating as follows... Quarter 9 46.7%.... Quarter 10 46.8%... Quarter 11 41%... Quarter 12 43.3%............... sooooooooo, yeah..... go lecture Gallup........ (side note - Obama was in the mid 40's pretty much all of 2012 leading up to the election)
don't care about ceilings.... I am well aware Trump isn't very popular, thanks for the breaking news lol.......... but guess what my friend, he was never popular and was BEHIND ALL THE POLLS IN 2016....... AND WON...... remember that, ye poll master? lol
also.... his numbers are certainly not good.... but they are very stable, which could be a potential problem..... also, after the honeymoon period, Obamas numbers were in the 40's for most of his Presidency... keep in mind these numbers are without an opponent, and I think Trump thrives with an opponent... so I tread with caution into 2020, while you show the same dismissive hubris you did in 2016
now are we talking about Matt Forte, Kia Forte, or my forte in the bedroom?
i responded.... you are just too busy getting angry and personal....
You lost this argument the moment you cried to @kat first.
Therefore a rebuttal, that somehow completely ignores the lowest ceiling of any president in the history of polling (by over 15%), is disregarded. Choose the grown up route next time. Have a good day.
Poor Kat is going to have like 15 notifications because we somehow can't stop alerting her. Ridiculous.
FYI, the low ceiling argument is real and a good one. Opinions of Trump are extraordinarily hardened. The key, as always, will be turnout. If someone too far left is D nominee, then there is a chance that moderate D's or never Trumpers just stay home. I don't see them going out and voting for Trump. Remember that Trump won Wisconsin with fewer votes than Romney lost Wisconsin with.
Poor Kat is going to have like 15 notifications because we somehow can't stop alerting her. Ridiculous.
FYI, the low ceiling argument is real and a good one. Opinions of Trump are extraordinarily hardened. The key, as always, will be turnout. If someone too far left is D nominee, then there is a chance that moderate D's or never Trumpers just stay home. I don't see them going out and voting for Trump. Remember that Trump won Wisconsin with fewer votes than Romney lost Wisconsin with.
i'm sure kat can handle it...
Trump had a low ceiling in November 2016... and won... some seem to forget that.... some also seem to confuse caution for support or hoping he wins... i'm not saying he is waltzing towards re-election, or in a dominant position heading into 2020.... i'm saying proceed with caution and that i see the same hubris we all had in 2016... Obama was in the 40's almost all of 2011 and 2012 and frankly most of his 2 terms... this is the new partisan reality...
2020 is still very winnable for Trump, and i for one do not want that to happen... so people can feel free to call him an idiot, his voters Cleetus, assume its in the bag, that Bobby Mueller is going to save the day, and that it's all over but the champagne popping... that wont be me...
i'm more progressive than 90% of the posters here, and i don't think it is even close... but its funny when you try to engage in a different way by not mocking his voters, or disagree on why he won in 2016, or that he could win in 2020, or try to rattle the echo chamber in here a bit my progressive friends become dismissive, elitist, and condescending... the passive aggressiveness is stifling.... when frankly, I'm further to the left of pretty much all of them
the truth is most of them don't really care.... its become some perverted form of entertainment for them... politics as entertainment has reached critical mass in this country... but whatever, pass the AOC coloring book this way
Right the ceiling was low, so the solution was to suppress the vote. Stir up dissent with the Bernie voters, hammer Clinton. It wasn't about voting for Trump, it was about NOT voting for Clinton. And it worked, see my point about Wisconsin. That's exhibit A in my point. Which is why I also say that the left runs a huge risk by nominating someone that is too far left, alienating the middle. They won't vote for Trump, they will just stay home.
I think it was about NAFTA, status quo, economic recovery not hitting main street, black voters staying home, and the candidate not campaigning in that area
But people can feel free to blame Bernie supporters for some reason, that's always been odd to me
I think it was about NAFTA, status quo, economic recovery not hitting main street, black voters staying home, and the candidate not campaigning in that area
But people can feel free to blame Bernie supporters for some reason, that's always been odd to me
Whatever you feel the underlying reasons are, there's no arguing that turnout was depressed in some key states. So again, it gets into Trump's ceiling. You overcome that by keeping the other side home.
I think it was about NAFTA, status quo, economic recovery not hitting main street, black voters staying home, and the candidate not campaigning in that area
But people can feel free to blame Bernie supporters for some reason, that's always been odd to me
Whatever you feel the underlying reasons are, there's no arguing that turnout was depressed in some key states. So again, it gets into Trump's ceiling. You overcome that by keeping the other side home.
I'm not arguing Trumps ceiling... although I'm not sure that matters....
Republicans still showed up for the most part... Democrats did not... the black vote in Milwaukee stayed home, plain and simple
It wasn't Bernie, or Russian tweets, or dirty tricks...
I think it was about NAFTA, status quo, economic recovery not hitting main street, black voters staying home, and the candidate not campaigning in that area
But people can feel free to blame Bernie supporters for some reason, that's always been odd to me
Whatever you feel the underlying reasons are, there's no arguing that turnout was depressed in some key states. So again, it gets into Trump's ceiling. You overcome that by keeping the other side home.
I'm not arguing Trumps ceiling... although I'm not sure that matters....
Republicans still showed up for the most part... Democrats did not... the black vote in Milwaukee stayed home, plain and simple
It wasn't Bernie, or Russian tweets, or dirty tricks...
I think you're mixing outcomes and reason. Black vote stayed home is an outcome. I don't claim to know the reason why each individual decided to stay home, lowering the Democratic turnout in the city. I really doubt that it was NAFTA.
Right the ceiling was low, so the solution was to suppress the vote. Stir up dissent with the Bernie voters, hammer Clinton. It wasn't about voting for Trump, it was about NOT voting for Clinton. And it worked, see my point about Wisconsin. That's exhibit A in my point. Which is why I also say that the left runs a huge risk by nominating someone that is too far left, alienating the middle. They won't vote for Trump, they will just stay home.
Correct as per usual, good sir.
Nominating Bernie would be a disaster for the Dems.
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i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....
by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent
as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks
"He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6.
And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit.
@Kat
now i'm a child? lol..... this is the circling and badgering that gets allowed here.... and this is a main culprit..... this had nothing to do with this poster, and my post had nothing to do with this poster... i asked nicely to not engage with me.... but of course the poking continues
thanks
wont be because of me...
I'm on a mission from God
Your numbers are wrong. I called you out on them.
You need to grow up.
Good god this country is doomed.
@Kat
why so personal? why so angry?
my numbers were not wrong, as i showed....
since you cant talk to me without being personal, passive aggressive, dismissive, and condescending i think it would be best if you didn't engage with me.... maybe when you can do so without being rude, but until then its probably best.... thanks
like i said.... wont be because of me.... I've been nothing but respectful and polite today and asked people to engage with me respectfully and not make it personal... if they have a problem with that, don't know what to tell you
and if people don't get Blues Brothers references, well, sucks to be them lol
Your numbers were wrong. I corrected them. If you felt they were still right, you could have responded as such. Instead you chose to cry to Kat because you couldn't get your way. There are grown up ways and childish ways of dealing with things. You're choosing the latter time and time again.
PM if if you'd like to discuss further. I'd rather not have you get another thread shut down. Thanks.
i responded.... you are just too busy getting angry and personal....
Therefore a rebuttal, that somehow completely ignores the lowest ceiling of any president in the history of polling (by over 15%), is disregarded. Choose the grown up route next time. Have a good day.
FYI, the low ceiling argument is real and a good one. Opinions of Trump are extraordinarily hardened. The key, as always, will be turnout. If someone too far left is D nominee, then there is a chance that moderate D's or never Trumpers just stay home. I don't see them going out and voting for Trump.
Remember that Trump won Wisconsin with fewer votes than Romney lost Wisconsin with.
i'm sure kat can handle it...
Trump had a low ceiling in November 2016... and won... some seem to forget that.... some also seem to confuse caution for support or hoping he wins... i'm not saying he is waltzing towards re-election, or in a dominant position heading into 2020.... i'm saying proceed with caution and that i see the same hubris we all had in 2016... Obama was in the 40's almost all of 2011 and 2012 and frankly most of his 2 terms... this is the new partisan reality...
2020 is still very winnable for Trump, and i for one do not want that to happen... so people can feel free to call him an idiot, his voters Cleetus, assume its in the bag, that Bobby Mueller is going to save the day, and that it's all over but the champagne popping... that wont be me...
i'm more progressive than 90% of the posters here, and i don't think it is even close... but its funny when you try to engage in a different way by not mocking his voters, or disagree on why he won in 2016, or that he could win in 2020, or try to rattle the echo chamber in here a bit my progressive friends become dismissive, elitist, and condescending... the passive aggressiveness is stifling.... when frankly, I'm further to the left of pretty much all of them
the truth is most of them don't really care.... its become some perverted form of entertainment for them... politics as entertainment has reached critical mass in this country... but whatever, pass the AOC coloring book this way
Which is why I also say that the left runs a huge risk by nominating someone that is too far left, alienating the middle. They won't vote for Trump, they will just stay home.
I think it was about NAFTA, status quo, economic recovery not hitting main street, black voters staying home, and the candidate not campaigning in that area
But people can feel free to blame Bernie supporters for some reason, that's always been odd to me
Republicans still showed up for the most part... Democrats did not... the black vote in Milwaukee stayed home, plain and simple
It wasn't Bernie, or Russian tweets, or dirty tricks...
https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/election-matters/why-did-wisconsin-see-its-lowest-presidential-election-voter-turnout/article_6dd2887f-e1fc-5ed8-a454-284d37204669.html
U.S. Cyber Command operation disrupted Internet access of Russian troll factory on day of 2018 midterms
Nominating Bernie would be a disaster for the Dems.
Just ask him he'll tell you
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