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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    KC2917 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    hedonist said:

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    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
    Tolerates what, exactly?

    We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom =) ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.

    But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
    the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
    I think people get what you're concerns are. Many people share your same concerns. But what in the world is Pearl Jam supposed to do about it? They've been very vocal in the past about political issues they don't agree with, but whether or not they speak out against trump isn't going to change anything, nor should that sway anyone's opinion on the situation.
    it's early in the process and most everyone is still trying to come to grips with this. Thats understandable. Trust me, there is a movement forming and I am getting on the right side of it.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited November 2016
    PJNB said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    You mean the shows where they address this kind of topic all of the time? Have you even listened to Eddie at a concert before?
    hadn't been to the any 2015-2016. I don't doubt this has come up. However, post election, there has been silence in general from the celebrity community. PJ and EV are not only celebrities, but celebrities with a strong social conscience. So, it only seems natural that they can help to begin filling this very very large void.
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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    crookedcross said:

    buck502000 said:

    Shut it down

    x2. Move it.. Something
    x3 -> A -> M -> T, please.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    I ask the mods to please keep this thread here.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vaggar99 said:

    PJNB said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    You mean the shows where they address this kind of topic all of the time? Have you even listened to Eddie at a concert before?
    hadn't been to the any 2015-2016. I don't doubt this has come up. However, post election, there has been silence in general from the celebrity community. PJ and EV are not only celebrities, but celebrities with a strong social conscience. So, it only seems natural that they can help to begin filling this very very large void.
    And you think an empty tweet or comment that only Pearl Jam fans will read anyways will have an impact on anything? Are you serious? I agree something needs to change but you are looking in the wrong direction for that movement to start happening.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    ^^^no longer alarming. just business as usual in America. Happy Monday. Let's get out there and grab em by the.....
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    I did not suggest a tweet. I think PJ can and always has done better than that. There was a time when I thought PJ always did things differently and their own way. So I am not going to tell them what to say or how to say it. I think EV and the band can easily figure that part out.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    You sound like a child who is not getting his way.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    ^^^i am...i'm only 5, but can still see through the nonsense.
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vaggar99 said:

    I did not suggest a tweet. I think PJ can and always has done better than that. There was a time when I thought PJ always did things differently and their own way. So I am not going to tell them what to say or how to say it. I think EV and the band can easily figure that part out.

    And they do. If you went to a show or listened to a bootleg from this year then you would have seen this topic being discussed at a lot of the shows.
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    vaggar99 said:

    I ask the mods to please keep this thread here.

    Why not move it to AMT? This is where this topic belongs.
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  • SD48277
    SD48277 Posts: 12,243
    vaggar99 said:

    The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.

    Please don't make a blanket statement about all of the fans. You may not be hearing from others because...they are out there trying to make a difference, in their own way.

    Also, the "celebrity community" is not exactly being silent. Unless you were expecting them to take to the streets with banners, pitchforks, and flamethrowers.

    And I am still uncertain what, exactly, you want the band to say. "Fight the good fight" "Don't give up" ?? Honestly, I would rather they funnel their energy into a new record. Yes, I know it only takes a few moments to make a statement, but then in goes into the news spin cycle and gets lost amongst the other sound bites. Vinyl is forever.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i want a new PJ record just as much as anyone. not making blanket statements about everyone here. just observations based on the response i've seen in this thread.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    a beautiful song when released in '93, but lyrically irrelevant to me. Now the lyrics are more like a premonition.

    https://youtu.be/Z_uSbxUSNmg
  • shetellsherself
    shetellsherself New Jersey Posts: 8,835
    vaggar99 said:

    The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.

    Admittedly I haven't read the entire thread. But I have to say this... who is indifferent? I'm not. I don't know personally anyone who is. Pearl Jam is not a messiah as someone else mentioned. We don't need them to make an official statement on this mess. I think we can all safely assume we know their views based on their past many, many political and social statements. I'm certain that the next time Ed has the mic he won't be shy to speak what is already in many of our hearts and minds.
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited November 2016
    vaggar99 said:

    i want a new PJ record just as much as anyone. not making blanket statements about everyone here. just observations based on the response i've seen in this thread.

    You want the band to say something publicly. A lot of us think this will have zero impact on people and yes you are making blanket statements in this thread. They already made a statement in Raleigh this year which many thought was the wrong one. I believe they should speak with there music and I for one am really curious as to what they are going be able to come up with after a crazy year. With Trump winning and the Cubs also winning Eddies mind must be full of ideas.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    we only need food, water and shelter to survive. its what we want that moves us forward
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vaggar99 said:

    we only need food, water and shelter to survive. its what we want that moves us forward

    Air seems kind of important too...

    Also I see you are just seeking attention now with this thread. I'm out.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    shetellsherself said:

    vaggar99 said:

    The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.

    Admittedly I haven't read the entire thread. But I have to say this... who is indifferent? I'm not. I don't know personally anyone who is. Pearl Jam is not a messiah as someone else mentioned. We don't need them to make an official statement on this mess. I think we can all safely assume we know their views based on their past many, many political and social statements. I'm certain that the next time Ed has the mic he won't be shy to speak what is already in many of our hearts and minds.
    Thank you for saying something. That's all I ask.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    PJNB said:

    vaggar99 said:

    we only need food, water and shelter to survive. its what we want that moves us forward

    Air seems kind of important too...

    Also I see you are just seeking attention now with this thread. I'm out.
    this thread was designed to draw attention to an issue that really bothers me. not to attract attention to me. change is coming

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