I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
Tolerates what, exactly?
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
Tolerates what, exactly?
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
Tolerates what, exactly?
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
I think people get what you're concerns are. Many people share your same concerns. But what in the world is Pearl Jam supposed to do about it? They've been very vocal in the past about political issues they don't agree with, but whether or not they speak out against trump isn't going to change anything, nor should that sway anyone's opinion on the situation.
All I ask is the band say something publicly. You'd be surprised what might happen. This is not your normal type of president. And yeah, I get it...'the band doesn't have to do anything'. That seems to be what we are all trained to say around here. Again I am not saying they have to do anything. I am asking.
The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
Tolerates what, exactly?
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
I think people get what you're concerns are. Many people share your same concerns. But what in the world is Pearl Jam supposed to do about it? They've been very vocal in the past about political issues they don't agree with, but whether or not they speak out against trump isn't going to change anything, nor should that sway anyone's opinion on the situation.
it's early in the process and most everyone is still trying to come to grips with this. Thats understandable. Trust me, there is a movement forming and I am getting on the right side of it.
wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
You mean the shows where they address this kind of topic all of the time? Have you even listened to Eddie at a concert before?
hadn't been to the any 2015-2016. I don't doubt this has come up. However, post election, there has been silence in general from the celebrity community. PJ and EV are not only celebrities, but celebrities with a strong social conscience. So, it only seems natural that they can help to begin filling this very very large void.
wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
You mean the shows where they address this kind of topic all of the time? Have you even listened to Eddie at a concert before?
hadn't been to the any 2015-2016. I don't doubt this has come up. However, post election, there has been silence in general from the celebrity community. PJ and EV are not only celebrities, but celebrities with a strong social conscience. So, it only seems natural that they can help to begin filling this very very large void.
And you think an empty tweet or comment that only Pearl Jam fans will read anyways will have an impact on anything? Are you serious? I agree something needs to change but you are looking in the wrong direction for that movement to start happening.
I did not suggest a tweet. I think PJ can and always has done better than that. There was a time when I thought PJ always did things differently and their own way. So I am not going to tell them what to say or how to say it. I think EV and the band can easily figure that part out.
I did not suggest a tweet. I think PJ can and always has done better than that. There was a time when I thought PJ always did things differently and their own way. So I am not going to tell them what to say or how to say it. I think EV and the band can easily figure that part out.
And they do. If you went to a show or listened to a bootleg from this year then you would have seen this topic being discussed at a lot of the shows.
The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.
Please don't make a blanket statement about all of the fans. You may not be hearing from others because...they are out there trying to make a difference, in their own way.
Also, the "celebrity community" is not exactly being silent. Unless you were expecting them to take to the streets with banners, pitchforks, and flamethrowers.
And I am still uncertain what, exactly, you want the band to say. "Fight the good fight" "Don't give up" ?? Honestly, I would rather they funnel their energy into a new record. Yes, I know it only takes a few moments to make a statement, but then in goes into the news spin cycle and gets lost amongst the other sound bites. Vinyl is forever.
i want a new PJ record just as much as anyone. not making blanket statements about everyone here. just observations based on the response i've seen in this thread.
The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.
Admittedly I haven't read the entire thread. But I have to say this... who is indifferent? I'm not. I don't know personally anyone who is. Pearl Jam is not a messiah as someone else mentioned. We don't need them to make an official statement on this mess. I think we can all safely assume we know their views based on their past many, many political and social statements. I'm certain that the next time Ed has the mic he won't be shy to speak what is already in many of our hearts and minds.
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i want a new PJ record just as much as anyone. not making blanket statements about everyone here. just observations based on the response i've seen in this thread.
You want the band to say something publicly. A lot of us think this will have zero impact on people and yes you are making blanket statements in this thread. They already made a statement in Raleigh this year which many thought was the wrong one. I believe they should speak with there music and I for one am really curious as to what they are going be able to come up with after a crazy year. With Trump winning and the Cubs also winning Eddies mind must be full of ideas.
The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.
Admittedly I haven't read the entire thread. But I have to say this... who is indifferent? I'm not. I don't know personally anyone who is. Pearl Jam is not a messiah as someone else mentioned. We don't need them to make an official statement on this mess. I think we can all safely assume we know their views based on their past many, many political and social statements. I'm certain that the next time Ed has the mic he won't be shy to speak what is already in many of our hearts and minds.
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We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
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2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
Also, the "celebrity community" is not exactly being silent. Unless you were expecting them to take to the streets with banners, pitchforks, and flamethrowers.
And I am still uncertain what, exactly, you want the band to say. "Fight the good fight" "Don't give up" ?? Honestly, I would rather they funnel their energy into a new record. Yes, I know it only takes a few moments to make a statement, but then in goes into the news spin cycle and gets lost amongst the other sound bites. Vinyl is forever.
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6/19/95 Red Rocks
9/11/98 MSG
11/19/12 EV solo Tulsa
7/19/13 Wrigley 10/19/13 Brooklyn 2 10/21/13 Philly 1 10/22/13 Philly 2 10/25/13 Hartford
10/08/14 Tulsa 10/09/14 Lincoln
9/26/15 NYC Global Citizen
4/16/16 Greenville 4/28/16 Philly 1 4/29/16 Philly 2 5/1/16 MSG 1 5/2/16 MSG 2 8/7/16 Fenway 2 8/20/16 Wrigley 1
4/7/17 RRHOF New York City
9/2/18 Fenway 1 9/4/2018 Fenway 2
9/18/21 Asbury Park
2/4/22 EV Earthlings NYC 2/6/22 EV Earthlings Newark 9/11/22 MSG 9/14/22 Camden
9/3/24 MSG 1 9/4/24 MSG 2 9/7/24 Philly 1 9/9/24 Philly 2
Also I see you are just seeking attention now with this thread. I'm out.