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If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.vaggar99 said:wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
And so you see, I have come to doubt
All that I once held as true
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So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.vaggar99 said:wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".0 -
Indifference71 said:
What the hell are you talking about????vaggar99 said:wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
sorry, just expressing my frustration. wasn't expecting so many people to be upset by this. i will keep fighting.hedonist said:
So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.vaggar99 said:wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".
if onlyDr. Delight said:
If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.vaggar99 said:wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
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maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.0
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Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.vaggar99 said:maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.
Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.
So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.0 -
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.0 -
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.cp3iverson said:
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.0 -
Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.0
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of course. no one has to do anything. why is it such a sin to ask PJ to take a stand for us?ledvedderman said:
Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.vaggar99 said:maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.
Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.
So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.
the Bruce thing is cool and I can't expect a musician to offer anything more than music. But, somehow I thought PJ was different. Or were we fooled by Trumpism again. As in all the anti-hate/misogyny talk EV used througout the 90's and 2000's was total bullshit? Don't tell me he's just another charlatan like ESP?Post edited by vaggar99 on0 -
i did feel that way at one point not long ago. that has faded now. i was hoping to revive the feeling today. obviously not happening. the resistance will move on without the PJ fanbaseledvedderman said:Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.
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Tolerates what, exactly?vaggar99 said:
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.cp3iverson said:
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.0 -
the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.hedonist said:
Tolerates what, exactly?vaggar99 said:
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.cp3iverson said:
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.0 -
I think people get what you're concerns are. Many people share your same concerns. But what in the world is Pearl Jam supposed to do about it? They've been very vocal in the past about political issues they don't agree with, but whether or not they speak out against trump isn't going to change anything, nor should that sway anyone's opinion on the situation.vaggar99 said:
the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.hedonist said:
Tolerates what, exactly?vaggar99 said:
you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.cp3iverson said:
I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.
But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.0 -
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x2. Move it.. Somethingbuck502000 said:Shut it down
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All I ask is the band say something publicly. You'd be surprised what might happen. This is not your normal type of president. And yeah, I get it...'the band doesn't have to do anything'. That seems to be what we are all trained to say around here. Again I am not saying they have to do anything. I am asking.0
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The band doesn't need to say anything..however if you don't like whats going on..start a revolution..peacefully ofcource."Going where the water tastes like wine!"0
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So far this thread isn't off track yet... haven't seen you call anyone a white supremacist racist yet, so keep this thread alive...2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0
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The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.0
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