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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.

    By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Indifference71 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    What the hell are you talking about????
    hedonist said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.

    By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".
    sorry, just expressing my frustration. wasn't expecting so many people to be upset by this. i will keep fighting.
    Dr. Delight said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.
    if only
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    vaggar99 said:

    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.

    Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.

    Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.

    So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702


    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited November 2016
    ledvedderman said:

    vaggar99 said:

    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.

    Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.

    Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.

    So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.
    of course. no one has to do anything. why is it such a sin to ask PJ to take a stand for us?

    the Bruce thing is cool and I can't expect a musician to offer anything more than music. But, somehow I thought PJ was different. Or were we fooled by Trumpism again. As in all the anti-hate/misogyny talk EV used througout the 90's and 2000's was total bullshit? Don't tell me he's just another charlatan like ESP?
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited November 2016
    ledvedderman said:

    Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.

    i did feel that way at one point not long ago. that has faded now. i was hoping to revive the feeling today. obviously not happening. the resistance will move on without the PJ fanbase
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    vaggar99 said:

    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
    Tolerates what, exactly?

    We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom =) ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.

    But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    hedonist said:

    vaggar99 said:

    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
    Tolerates what, exactly?

    We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom =) ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.

    But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
    the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
  • KC2917
    KC2917 Posts: 872
    vaggar99 said:

    hedonist said:

    vaggar99 said:

    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
    Tolerates what, exactly?

    We aren't (I hope, anyway) a bunch of lemmings desperately waiting for five (fine, six - howdy, Boom =) ) to advise on which way to think. I do love this band; their music and words and so much more have played a huge role in my life.

    But, my mind and my views, are mine. Influenced here and there, sure. But by so many other factors, and the lack of a band's opinion (or even their giving of it) isn't quite as weighty for me as may be for others.
    the normalizations of racism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia as stated in my original post. you can call me crazy but having a president who has said and maybe done some very unacceptable things can not be tolerated under any circumstance. this is the most important issue of our lifetime. if you don't believe me, wait.
    I think people get what you're concerns are. Many people share your same concerns. But what in the world is Pearl Jam supposed to do about it? They've been very vocal in the past about political issues they don't agree with, but whether or not they speak out against trump isn't going to change anything, nor should that sway anyone's opinion on the situation.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    edited November 2016
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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,548
    buck502000 said:

    Shut it down

    x2. Move it.. Something
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    All I ask is the band say something publicly. You'd be surprised what might happen. This is not your normal type of president. And yeah, I get it...'the band doesn't have to do anything'. That seems to be what we are all trained to say around here. Again I am not saying they have to do anything. I am asking.
  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    The band doesn't need to say anything..however if you don't like whats going on..start a revolution..peacefully ofcource.
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    You mean the shows where they address this kind of topic all of the time? Have you even listened to Eddie at a concert before?
  • PP193448
    PP193448 Here Posts: 4,282
    So far this thread isn't off track yet... haven't seen you call anyone a white supremacist racist yet, so keep this thread alive...

    :rofl:
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    The indifference of the American people is expected. The indifference of Pearl Jam fans, alarming. The indifference of Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder, mind blowing.

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