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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,388
    I don't necessarily disagree with you other than I don't think those things have been normalized. Most people I know don't think that way. If anything having Trump as president will keep these issues front and center and hopefully part of an ongoing dialogue. He just might inadvertently be a blessing in disguise.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    ^^^ not sure where who you hang out with but they must be some nice people. Cuz, I can tell you it is real. There are some very nasty people amongst.
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,388
    vaggar99 said:

    ^^^ not sure where who you hang out with but they must be some nice people. Cuz, I can tell you it is real. There are some very nasty people amongst.

    I don't don't your experience. Hopefully it motivates everyone to help make a real change.
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  • KV4053KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,504
    vaggar99 said:

    ^^^ not sure where who you hang out with but they must be some nice people. Cuz, I can tell you it is real. There are some very nasty people amongst.

    Are you experiencing issues in San Diego? I'll be there in 20 days ....in my continuing search for a civilized society
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    edited November 2016
    ^^i actually don't live in San Diego anymore. I live in Houston, TX. But I can tell you SD is just as racist if not more. The east county suburbs are known for strong racial biases. Houston is a generally diverse city, but no shortage of racism here either.

    Its easy not hear/see these things because sometimes you really open your eyes and ears to them. Once you do, you'll realize ITS EVERYWHERE
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,345
    vaggar99 said:

    ^^i actually don't live in San Diego anymore. I live in Houston, TX. But I can tell you SD is just as racist if not more. The east county suburbs are known for strong racial biases. Houston is a generally diverse city, but no shortage of racism here either.

    Its easy not hear/see these things because sometimes you really open your eyes and ears to them. Once you do, you'll realize ITS EVERYWHERE

    racism is everywhere before, during & after one Donald Trump. we can be the change we are looking for out there....
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    ^^^yes we can. unfortunately, that will only get so far. We need to also stand up to these bullies. We are the voice of common sense and decency. We will prevail.
  • KV4053KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,504
    vaggar99 said:

    ^^i actually don't live in San Diego anymore. I live in Houston, TX. But I can tell you SD is just as racist if not more. The east county suburbs are known for strong racial biases. Houston is a generally diverse city, but no shortage of racism here either.

    Its easy not hear/see these things because sometimes you really open your eyes and ears to them. Once you do, you'll realize ITS EVERYWHERE

    I'm in the burbs of Houston. Sucks about San Diego
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Neither of the two major candidates represented equality or decency. Taking the L either way.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    ^^^ perhaps, but only one represented blatant racism and misogyny.
  • Foriginal SinForiginal Sin Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,821
    vaggar99 said:

    I know there is another category for political talk, but the Porch by far is the most active one and I feel this issue is important enough to make an exception.

    I am deeply troubled by what's happening in the US. Racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia are now normalized. We have let a fringe group of white supremacists steal our democracy.

    I am asking the band for you help. Please say something.

    What do you need the band for? This is silly
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  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,453
    It's time to move on folks.
  • Dr. DelightDr. Delight Posts: 11,210
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Foriginal Sin said:

    vaggar99 said:

    I know there is another category for political talk, but the Porch by far is the most active one and I feel this issue is important enough to make an exception.

    I am deeply troubled by what's happening in the US. Racism, misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia are now normalized. We have let a fringe group of white supremacists steal our democracy.

    I am asking the band for you help. Please say something.

    What do you need the band for? This is silly
    Second time in the past few minutes thinking/saying "no shit". These people have their own lives and priorities.

    They're not our fucking messiahs nor should their sleeves be tugged upon as if they are.

    As for "normalcy" as perceived in the OP, sure there's some of that. Has been. Always will be. Human nature.

    If that's being seen only now, you got some catching up to do. Not seeing the need for hand-wringing at this point though.
  • KC2917KC2917 Posts: 872
    I don't get it. What's a rock band supposed to do about it?
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    wow...cynical people here to. Its very easy. say something thats all i ask.
  • buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    Shut it down
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    Did @DonaldJTrump tweet this? It sounds like him.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,872
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    What the hell are you talking about????
  • Dr. DelightDr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.

    By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    Indifference71 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    What the hell are you talking about????
    hedonist said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    So be the change you want to see. Keep putting your thoughts out there, but don't be an ass to others in the process, should they see things from another perspective.

    By the way, realism isn't akin to cynicism...or "lameness".
    sorry, just expressing my frustration. wasn't expecting so many people to be upset by this. i will keep fighting.
    Dr. Delight said:

    vaggar99 said:

    wow...now i remember why PJ shows are so lame now. its not the music

    If only the crowds could be made up of 18,000 fans as fun as you.
    if only
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    vaggar99 said:

    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.

    Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.

    Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.

    So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702


    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    cp3iverson said:



    I dont need PJ to issue any kind of statement. We got thru the last 24 yrs of Bill, W, and Obama. We'll survive this one too.

    you're missing my point. this has very little do with standard policy. it has to do with who we are as people. Do we tolerate this or not? Judging by the reaction on this thread, seems like the PJ community tolerates it.

    I want to know if the mightiest band on the plant, Pearl Jam, tolerates tolerates it.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    edited November 2016
    ledvedderman said:

    vaggar99 said:

    maybe i'll just write the band a letter by snail mail.

    Man, I'm sure the band will address this at some point. However, they don't HAVE to. That's up to them.

    Here's something to remember and this is from memory over time, so give me some wiggle room. A couple of days after 9/11, someone saw Bruce Springsteen and yelled at him, "Bruce! We need you now more than ever!". That stuck with Bruce and he put together an amazing post 9/11 record called The Rising with the help of the E Street Band. The last the ESB was on a Bruce record was Born in the USA in the early 80's. (Tunnel of Love doesn't count to me). So this record was a big deal when it came out. It addressed the hope and sadness, and light and dark of the world after 9/11.

    So maybe all it takes is a simple "We need you now" and not all the apocalyptic doom and gloom.
    of course. no one has to do anything. why is it such a sin to ask PJ to take a stand for us?

    the Bruce thing is cool and I can't expect a musician to offer anything more than music. But, somehow I thought PJ was different. Or were we fooled by Trumpism again. As in all the anti-hate/misogyny talk EV used througout the 90's and 2000's was total bullshit? Don't tell me he's just another charlatan like ESP?
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,430
    edited November 2016
    ledvedderman said:

    Mightiest band on the planet?? lol. Come on, man. You're overdoing it. We aren't a high school football team that needs a pep talk at halftime.

    i did feel that way at one point not long ago. that has faded now. i was hoping to revive the feeling today. obviously not happening. the resistance will move on without the PJ fanbase
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