Mike Pence

josevolution

No but since he's now PE everything is being swept under the rug ! I say we don't let any of this be swept away keep it at the forefront of the MT !

BS44325

Degeneratefk said:

Anyone that denies that Bannon is not a racist, antisemitic bigot is just living life with blinders on. And I'd be willing to bet those same people have the nerve to call people on the left sheep.

I don't deny that Bannon is not a racist, antisemitic bigot but I do deny that he is a racist, antisemitic bigot.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

rssesq said:

lotsa hitler shows appearing non-stop on the history channel as of late. is it his bday or something?

No, Hitler's birthday is April 20th (I know because it's also my own birthday, lol). I would say the history channel intends it to be a warning.... a subtle suggestion that Americans keep the history of the Nazi party in mind as Trump does his thing (I assume you know this and your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek). I personally think the Nazi party/Trump parallels are very apt in many ways. I'm not suggesting Trump will end up committing systematic genocide or anything, but there are definitely a lot of very Nazi-esque things that he has and apparently plans on doing. This become more apparent by the day as he chooses his cabinet and how he deals with media. I think the sharp negative reaction by Trump supporters when these comparisons are made may be based in denial as well as a bit of guilt.

It's a line the opposition has to carefully walk in order to have some sort of persuasive effect. You don't want to start to holler about nazis and the jews because you'll instantly lose people, but you also want to send up some red flags right now, for example, about the idea being kicked around to register Muslims.

Agreed, but also the propaganda machine, and people should be watching very carefully when it comes to control/manipulation of the media by the government, and the removal of rights and freedoms for various groups and people in general. These are the things I'm most concerned about and that remind me of the Nazi rise to power.... Not to mention Bannon and these others who Trump is choosing for his cabinet. They kinds of relationships between Trump and these people seems very odd to me, and also reminds me of the way Hitler chose his inner circle.

This is a great one to screen cap. The nazis are coming! Can add it to the cry wolf pile in 4-8 years.

Why is it crying wolf when parallels are drawn between the socioeconomic climate leading to Hitler's rise to power, and Trump's rise to power? Has history not shown there's validity in watching a politician carefully who attributes the flaws of society to specific demographics, and commits to any means necessary (i.e. checks and balances be damned) to reach an exclusionary end? Being cautious and thinking critically about the rate of flow of power and the rate of power usage do not seem like negative messages to send to the general population.

Anybody who uses Hitler or Nazis in any sentence with reference to Trump has lost all historical perspective. The Art of the Deal is not Mein Kampf. It is a laughable discussion. I am laughing.

I think you have lost all perspective on the issue itself. Who said that The Art of Deal is Mein Kampf? I'm sure someone somewhere did, but I didn't, and neither did anyone else here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drawing certain parallels with Hitler or any other national leader/party - that you balk so much at the way parallels are being drawn, and ignore the fact that nobody is actually calling Trump Hitler #2, I'd say you're that one who is unable to grasp even a basic concept in this context. You're letting your emotions about Hitler and the stigma that name carries get in the way of logical, critical thought about the topic IMO. I'm not laughing though. It's actually quite irritating.

There you go with your "parallels" again. Trump isn't Hitler...he's just Parallel Hitler.

this is what drives me nuts about my wife sometimes. she's always speaks in absolutes. I say I don't want one thing, so she does the complete extreme opposite. "I don't like black". "so your favourite colour is white?"

that's not what anyone is saying here. PJ_Soul even typed CERTAIN PARALLELS. You are only reading what you want to read to get your "I'm laughing at you" rocks off.

remember this: "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". noticing patterns of behaviour is important.

This is a silly analogy. There is no point in discussing the parallels to the rise of Hitler unless you are actually concerned that Trump could actually become a Hitler. Your "doomed to repeat history" quote makes that exact point. Trump as Parallel Hitler is laughable on it's face.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

rssesq said:

lotsa hitler shows appearing non-stop on the history channel as of late. is it his bday or something?

No, Hitler's birthday is April 20th (I know because it's also my own birthday, lol). I would say the history channel intends it to be a warning.... a subtle suggestion that Americans keep the history of the Nazi party in mind as Trump does his thing (I assume you know this and your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek). I personally think the Nazi party/Trump parallels are very apt in many ways. I'm not suggesting Trump will end up committing systematic genocide or anything, but there are definitely a lot of very Nazi-esque things that he has and apparently plans on doing. This become more apparent by the day as he chooses his cabinet and how he deals with media. I think the sharp negative reaction by Trump supporters when these comparisons are made may be based in denial as well as a bit of guilt.

It's a line the opposition has to carefully walk in order to have some sort of persuasive effect. You don't want to start to holler about nazis and the jews because you'll instantly lose people, but you also want to send up some red flags right now, for example, about the idea being kicked around to register Muslims.

Agreed, but also the propaganda machine, and people should be watching very carefully when it comes to control/manipulation of the media by the government, and the removal of rights and freedoms for various groups and people in general. These are the things I'm most concerned about and that remind me of the Nazi rise to power.... Not to mention Bannon and these others who Trump is choosing for his cabinet. They kinds of relationships between Trump and these people seems very odd to me, and also reminds me of the way Hitler chose his inner circle.

This is a great one to screen cap. The nazis are coming! Can add it to the cry wolf pile in 4-8 years.

Why is it crying wolf when parallels are drawn between the socioeconomic climate leading to Hitler's rise to power, and Trump's rise to power? Has history not shown there's validity in watching a politician carefully who attributes the flaws of society to specific demographics, and commits to any means necessary (i.e. checks and balances be damned) to reach an exclusionary end? Being cautious and thinking critically about the rate of flow of power and the rate of power usage do not seem like negative messages to send to the general population.

Anybody who uses Hitler or Nazis in any sentence with reference to Trump has lost all historical perspective. The Art of the Deal is not Mein Kampf. It is a laughable discussion. I am laughing.

I think you have lost all perspective on the issue itself. Who said that The Art of Deal is Mein Kampf? I'm sure someone somewhere did, but I didn't, and neither did anyone else here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drawing certain parallels with Hitler or any other national leader/party - that you balk so much at the way parallels are being drawn, and ignore the fact that nobody is actually calling Trump Hitler #2, I'd say you're that one who is unable to grasp even a basic concept in this context. You're letting your emotions about Hitler and the stigma that name carries get in the way of logical, critical thought about the topic IMO. I'm not laughing though. It's actually quite irritating.

There you go with your "parallels" again. Trump isn't Hitler...he's just Parallel Hitler.

this is what drives me nuts about my wife sometimes. she's always speaks in absolutes. I say I don't want one thing, so she does the complete extreme opposite. "I don't like black". "so your favourite colour is white?"

that's not what anyone is saying here. PJ_Soul even typed CERTAIN PARALLELS. You are only reading what you want to read to get your "I'm laughing at you" rocks off.

remember this: "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". noticing patterns of behaviour is important.

This is a silly analogy. There is no point in discussing the parallels to the rise of Hitler unless you are actually concerned that Trump could actually become a Hitler. Your "doomed to repeat history" quote makes that exact point. Trump as Parallel Hitler is laughable on it's face.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, Bannon's a stand up guy: I'm sure you're all proud of his involvement at the highest reaches of the US government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/can-you-name-one-white-nationalist-article-at-breitbart-challenge-accepted/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

And incase you're too lazy to read the links in the above referenced article, I posted the direct link and some select quotes:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," writes a former Breitbart News editor. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on the Daily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."

Trump's new campaign chief denies that the alt-right is inherently racist. He describes its ideology as "nationalist," though not necessarily white nationalist. Likening its approach to that of European nationalist parties such as France's National Front, he says, "If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really 'Polish identity' or 'German identity,' not racial identity. It's more identity toward a nation-state or their people as a nation." (Never mind that National Front founder Jean Marie Le Pen has been fined in France for "inciting racial hatred.")

Bannon dismisses the alt-right's appeal to racists as happenstance. "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he says. "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements."

A Twitter analysis conducted by The Investigative Fund using Little Bird software found that these "elements" are more deeply connected to Breitbart News than more traditional conservative outlets. While only 5 percent of key influencers using the supremacist hashtag #whitegenocide follow the National Review, and 10 percent follow the Daily Caller, 31 percent follow Breitbart. The disparities are even starker for the anti-Muslim hashtag #counterjihad: National Review, 26 percent; the Daily Caller, 37 percent; Breitbart News, 62 percent.

On Thursday, in the Washington Post, Shapiro upped the ante, describing the alt-right as a "movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism," and Breitbart News as "a party organ, a pathetic cog in the Trump-Media Complex and a gathering place for white nationalists." The reception he and another conservative Jewish Breitbart critic, Bethany Mandel, have experienced in the Bannonosphere is revealing: In May, when Shapiro, who became editor-in-chief of the Daily Wire after leaving Breitbart, tweeted about the birth of his second child, he received a torrent of anti-Semitic tweets. "Into the gas chamber with all 4 of you," one read. Another tweet depicted his family as lampshades. Mandel says she has been harassed on Twitter for months, "called a 'slimy Jewess' and told that I 'deserve the oven.'"

Sure, because he doesn't say it, he's not it, anti-Semitic. But he sure does promote it, foster it and fan it, doesn't he. You should be proud of his "plausible deniability" and ability to use his "dog whistle."

And there's a lot more if you alt-righters aren't too lazy to read the full article.

I read it all. Is this really all you got in the Bannon is an anti-semite department? Pretty thin gruel.

It seems your moral certitude is neither moral nor certain:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-embrace-of-bannon-sparks-divisions-angst-among-jewish-groups/2016/11/17/8a0442c2-ac19-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpjews-540pm:homepage/story

Maybe you'd like to take it up with the Anti-Defamation League?

Halifax2TheMax

And an interesting read here:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/expert-on-nazism-explains-the-shocking-similarities-between-trump-and-hitlers-propaganda-tactics/

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, Bannon's a stand up guy: I'm sure you're all proud of his involvement at the highest reaches of the US government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/can-you-name-one-white-nationalist-article-at-breitbart-challenge-accepted/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

And incase you're too lazy to read the links in the above referenced article, I posted the direct link and some select quotes:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," writes a former Breitbart News editor. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on the Daily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."

Trump's new campaign chief denies that the alt-right is inherently racist. He describes its ideology as "nationalist," though not necessarily white nationalist. Likening its approach to that of European nationalist parties such as France's National Front, he says, "If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really 'Polish identity' or 'German identity,' not racial identity. It's more identity toward a nation-state or their people as a nation." (Never mind that National Front founder Jean Marie Le Pen has been fined in France for "inciting racial hatred.")

Bannon dismisses the alt-right's appeal to racists as happenstance. "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he says. "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements."

A Twitter analysis conducted by The Investigative Fund using Little Bird software found that these "elements" are more deeply connected to Breitbart News than more traditional conservative outlets. While only 5 percent of key influencers using the supremacist hashtag #whitegenocide follow the National Review, and 10 percent follow the Daily Caller, 31 percent follow Breitbart. The disparities are even starker for the anti-Muslim hashtag #counterjihad: National Review, 26 percent; the Daily Caller, 37 percent; Breitbart News, 62 percent.

On Thursday, in the Washington Post, Shapiro upped the ante, describing the alt-right as a "movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism," and Breitbart News as "a party organ, a pathetic cog in the Trump-Media Complex and a gathering place for white nationalists." The reception he and another conservative Jewish Breitbart critic, Bethany Mandel, have experienced in the Bannonosphere is revealing: In May, when Shapiro, who became editor-in-chief of the Daily Wire after leaving Breitbart, tweeted about the birth of his second child, he received a torrent of anti-Semitic tweets. "Into the gas chamber with all 4 of you," one read. Another tweet depicted his family as lampshades. Mandel says she has been harassed on Twitter for months, "called a 'slimy Jewess' and told that I 'deserve the oven.'"

Sure, because he doesn't say it, he's not it, anti-Semitic. But he sure does promote it, foster it and fan it, doesn't he. You should be proud of his "plausible deniability" and ability to use his "dog whistle."

And there's a lot more if you alt-righters aren't too lazy to read the full article.

I read it all. Is this really all you got in the Bannon is an anti-semite department? Pretty thin gruel.

It seems your moral certitude is neither moral nor certain:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-embrace-of-bannon-sparks-divisions-angst-among-jewish-groups/2016/11/17/8a0442c2-ac19-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpjews-540pm:homepage/story

Maybe you'd like to take it up with the Anti-Defamation League?

Nah...they already backed off

http://www.westernjournalism.com/anti-defamation-league-admits-bannon-made-no-anti-semitics-statements/

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Yea, Bannon's a stand up guy: I'm sure you're all proud of his involvement at the highest reaches of the US government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/can-you-name-one-white-nationalist-article-at-breitbart-challenge-accepted/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw10&wpmm=1

And incase you're too lazy to read the links in the above referenced article, I posted the direct link and some select quotes:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago. Under Bannon's leadership, the site has plunged into the fever swamps of conservatism, cheering white nationalist groups as an "eclectic mix of renegades," accusing President Barack Obama of importing "more hating Muslims," and waging an incessant war against the purveyors of "political correctness."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," writes a former Breitbart News editor. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed."

"Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it," former Breitbart editor-at-large Ben Shapiro wrote last week on the Daily Wire, a conservative website. "With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."

Trump's new campaign chief denies that the alt-right is inherently racist. He describes its ideology as "nationalist," though not necessarily white nationalist. Likening its approach to that of European nationalist parties such as France's National Front, he says, "If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really 'Polish identity' or 'German identity,' not racial identity. It's more identity toward a nation-state or their people as a nation." (Never mind that National Front founder Jean Marie Le Pen has been fined in France for "inciting racial hatred.")

Bannon dismisses the alt-right's appeal to racists as happenstance. "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he says. "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements."

A Twitter analysis conducted by The Investigative Fund using Little Bird software found that these "elements" are more deeply connected to Breitbart News than more traditional conservative outlets. While only 5 percent of key influencers using the supremacist hashtag #whitegenocide follow the National Review, and 10 percent follow the Daily Caller, 31 percent follow Breitbart. The disparities are even starker for the anti-Muslim hashtag #counterjihad: National Review, 26 percent; the Daily Caller, 37 percent; Breitbart News, 62 percent.

On Thursday, in the Washington Post, Shapiro upped the ante, describing the alt-right as a "movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism," and Breitbart News as "a party organ, a pathetic cog in the Trump-Media Complex and a gathering place for white nationalists." The reception he and another conservative Jewish Breitbart critic, Bethany Mandel, have experienced in the Bannonosphere is revealing: In May, when Shapiro, who became editor-in-chief of the Daily Wire after leaving Breitbart, tweeted about the birth of his second child, he received a torrent of anti-Semitic tweets. "Into the gas chamber with all 4 of you," one read. Another tweet depicted his family as lampshades. Mandel says she has been harassed on Twitter for months, "called a 'slimy Jewess' and told that I 'deserve the oven.'"

Sure, because he doesn't say it, he's not it, anti-Semitic. But he sure does promote it, foster it and fan it, doesn't he. You should be proud of his "plausible deniability" and ability to use his "dog whistle."

And there's a lot more if you alt-righters aren't too lazy to read the full article.

I read it all. Is this really all you got in the Bannon is an anti-semite department? Pretty thin gruel.

It seems your moral certitude is neither moral nor certain:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-embrace-of-bannon-sparks-divisions-angst-among-jewish-groups/2016/11/17/8a0442c2-ac19-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpjews-540pm:homepage/story

Maybe you'd like to take it up with the Anti-Defamation League?

Nah...they already backed off

http://www.westernjournalism.com/anti-defamation-league-admits-bannon-made-no-anti-semitics-statements/

Love the source, they equip you with the truth. Still proud of the dog whistle I see.

HughFreakingDillon

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

rssesq said:

lotsa hitler shows appearing non-stop on the history channel as of late. is it his bday or something?

No, Hitler's birthday is April 20th (I know because it's also my own birthday, lol). I would say the history channel intends it to be a warning.... a subtle suggestion that Americans keep the history of the Nazi party in mind as Trump does his thing (I assume you know this and your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek). I personally think the Nazi party/Trump parallels are very apt in many ways. I'm not suggesting Trump will end up committing systematic genocide or anything, but there are definitely a lot of very Nazi-esque things that he has and apparently plans on doing. This become more apparent by the day as he chooses his cabinet and how he deals with media. I think the sharp negative reaction by Trump supporters when these comparisons are made may be based in denial as well as a bit of guilt.

It's a line the opposition has to carefully walk in order to have some sort of persuasive effect. You don't want to start to holler about nazis and the jews because you'll instantly lose people, but you also want to send up some red flags right now, for example, about the idea being kicked around to register Muslims.

Agreed, but also the propaganda machine, and people should be watching very carefully when it comes to control/manipulation of the media by the government, and the removal of rights and freedoms for various groups and people in general. These are the things I'm most concerned about and that remind me of the Nazi rise to power.... Not to mention Bannon and these others who Trump is choosing for his cabinet. They kinds of relationships between Trump and these people seems very odd to me, and also reminds me of the way Hitler chose his inner circle.

This is a great one to screen cap. The nazis are coming! Can add it to the cry wolf pile in 4-8 years.

Why is it crying wolf when parallels are drawn between the socioeconomic climate leading to Hitler's rise to power, and Trump's rise to power? Has history not shown there's validity in watching a politician carefully who attributes the flaws of society to specific demographics, and commits to any means necessary (i.e. checks and balances be damned) to reach an exclusionary end? Being cautious and thinking critically about the rate of flow of power and the rate of power usage do not seem like negative messages to send to the general population.

Anybody who uses Hitler or Nazis in any sentence with reference to Trump has lost all historical perspective. The Art of the Deal is not Mein Kampf. It is a laughable discussion. I am laughing.

I think you have lost all perspective on the issue itself. Who said that The Art of Deal is Mein Kampf? I'm sure someone somewhere did, but I didn't, and neither did anyone else here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drawing certain parallels with Hitler or any other national leader/party - that you balk so much at the way parallels are being drawn, and ignore the fact that nobody is actually calling Trump Hitler #2, I'd say you're that one who is unable to grasp even a basic concept in this context. You're letting your emotions about Hitler and the stigma that name carries get in the way of logical, critical thought about the topic IMO. I'm not laughing though. It's actually quite irritating.

There you go with your "parallels" again. Trump isn't Hitler...he's just Parallel Hitler.

this is what drives me nuts about my wife sometimes. she's always speaks in absolutes. I say I don't want one thing, so she does the complete extreme opposite. "I don't like black". "so your favourite colour is white?"

that's not what anyone is saying here. PJ_Soul even typed CERTAIN PARALLELS. You are only reading what you want to read to get your "I'm laughing at you" rocks off.

remember this: "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". noticing patterns of behaviour is important.

This is a silly analogy. There is no point in discussing the parallels to the rise of Hitler unless you are actually concerned that Trump could actually become a Hitler. Your "doomed to repeat history" quote makes that exact point. Trump as Parallel Hitler is laughable on it's face.

right, because there are no degrees of evil, just super evil and not evil at all. good one.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

JC29856

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

National Gern-bern Day!
Today make sure your safety pins are properly fastened!

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

National Gern-bern Day!
Today make sure your safety pins are properly fastened!

you are trolling hard today.

JC29856

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

National Gern-bern Day!
Today make sure your safety pins are properly fastened!

you are trolling hard today.

Just don't understand the need for putdowns and insults.
Reciprocity

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

National Gern-bern Day!
Today make sure your safety pins are properly fastened!

you are trolling hard today.

Just don't understand the need for putdowns and insults.
Reciprocity

I understand that. but then why participate in it?

"if you hate something, don't you do it too" to quote our fearless leader.

JC29856

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BS44325 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

So what is between a Jew and a guy dude? Some kosher sheets maybe?

Melania ..

And who's the misogynist again?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed too for these comments alone.

BS44325 said:

mace1229 said:

Sure, there's accusations of anti-Jew and homophobic claims, and the fact members of the KKK like Trump (even though he is not associated with them). Could be worse, Trump could be close friends with a known and CONVICTED domestic terrorist who has killed people and who still brags about what he did and says he would do it again. Wait, why does that sound familiar? O yeah, Obama and BILL F***iING AYERS! I assume you were 10 times as outraged when Obama's political carear started in the home of Ayers? And Ayers was a close friend to him, not just someone he never met and said he'd vote for him? Yeah, I'm sure that was the case.
These claims were amusing at first, now its just getting old and sad.

C'mon Mace you know they don't care about Ayres or Jeremiah Wright or Rashid Khalidi. They never cared about Senator Robert Byrd and the KKK before them. They don't care about Keith Ellison now and his ties to the Nation of Islam...heck they're ready to make him head of the DNC!

Seriously. This was the only comment to my question. These were similar (but more drastic scenarios). Wright was openly racists against whites, said ant-American claims. Ayers KILLED people, created a domestic terrorist organization and started Obama's political career. So why do so many ignore all that, but are so outraged because someone from the KVK who Trump never met voted for him?
I don't get it.

Who did Ayers kill?

I don't have names of his victim's memorized. You can google it just as easily as I can. He's blowing up buildings that resulted in deaths of people. Easy to find.
He's admitted to multiple bombings, but wont comment on ones where people actually died (often wont deny it either). I remember one being a judge. His fiancé and some friends were killed when a bomb prematurely exploded, and denies involvement in that even though his fiancé and he were typically involved in these things together so there's little question in my mind about that.
Best case scenario and giving him every benefit of doubt, he started an organization and encouraged activity that is responsible for multiple deaths. Was he conveniently absent every time someone died? I really doubt it.

It's funny how you mention google yet Ayers killed no one and had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Did you even look?
He has admitted to multiple bombings that the Weather Underground have taken responsibility for. He has been suspected to have involvement in other bombings where people have died. He typically has no comment when asked about these bombings. He was one of the founders of this group, had heavy involvement with their activity, his fiancé was killed in one of these bombings, there is very little doubt that he was involved in the bombings that resulted in deaths. It is pretty ridiculous to think he has a clean slate, but yet crucify the next administration for merely have associations with people who have yet to be convicted of domestic terrorism.
If you don't believe he himself killed anyone (and yes, he has not been convicted of murder) the best case scenario for his innocence you will still have the following: he founded a domestic terrorist organization that was responsible for many bombings, some of which resulted in deaths. He advocated for more bombings while an active member/leader/founder of the Underground Weather, which lead to bombings, bombings that killed people. He encouraged members to take initiative in bombings, bombings that lead to deaths. If he himself did not plant bombs that killed people, it was certainly under his leadership. So if you ask me, yes he is responsible for deaths of innocent people.
Obama's political career began in his house, and he donated financially to his campaign. How is anyone Trump is associated with worse than this?
If you can't handle a google search I did it for you. Wikipedia with a list of bombings was the first search result. Here's a list of all of their known actions. As a founder and leader who encouraged this actions, I hold him accountable for all loss and deaths even if he himself did not plan and place the bomb on every instance (which is unlikely by the way, just not proven beyond a reasonable doubt)..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

He is a murderer, and no one here seams to care. But lets crucify Trump because some dude he never met voted for him.

Still hanging onto false info?

National Gern-bern Day!
Today make sure your safety pins are properly fastened!

you are trolling hard today.

Just don't understand the need for putdowns and insults.
Reciprocity

I understand that. but then why participate in it?

"if you hate something, don't you do it too" to quote our fearless leader.

Helps me better understand the misery to which it emanates from.

BS44325

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

PJ_Soul said:

rssesq said:

lotsa hitler shows appearing non-stop on the history channel as of late. is it his bday or something?

No, Hitler's birthday is April 20th (I know because it's also my own birthday, lol). I would say the history channel intends it to be a warning.... a subtle suggestion that Americans keep the history of the Nazi party in mind as Trump does his thing (I assume you know this and your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek). I personally think the Nazi party/Trump parallels are very apt in many ways. I'm not suggesting Trump will end up committing systematic genocide or anything, but there are definitely a lot of very Nazi-esque things that he has and apparently plans on doing. This become more apparent by the day as he chooses his cabinet and how he deals with media. I think the sharp negative reaction by Trump supporters when these comparisons are made may be based in denial as well as a bit of guilt.

It's a line the opposition has to carefully walk in order to have some sort of persuasive effect. You don't want to start to holler about nazis and the jews because you'll instantly lose people, but you also want to send up some red flags right now, for example, about the idea being kicked around to register Muslims.

Agreed, but also the propaganda machine, and people should be watching very carefully when it comes to control/manipulation of the media by the government, and the removal of rights and freedoms for various groups and people in general. These are the things I'm most concerned about and that remind me of the Nazi rise to power.... Not to mention Bannon and these others who Trump is choosing for his cabinet. They kinds of relationships between Trump and these people seems very odd to me, and also reminds me of the way Hitler chose his inner circle.

This is a great one to screen cap. The nazis are coming! Can add it to the cry wolf pile in 4-8 years.

Why is it crying wolf when parallels are drawn between the socioeconomic climate leading to Hitler's rise to power, and Trump's rise to power? Has history not shown there's validity in watching a politician carefully who attributes the flaws of society to specific demographics, and commits to any means necessary (i.e. checks and balances be damned) to reach an exclusionary end? Being cautious and thinking critically about the rate of flow of power and the rate of power usage do not seem like negative messages to send to the general population.

Anybody who uses Hitler or Nazis in any sentence with reference to Trump has lost all historical perspective. The Art of the Deal is not Mein Kampf. It is a laughable discussion. I am laughing.

I think you have lost all perspective on the issue itself. Who said that The Art of Deal is Mein Kampf? I'm sure someone somewhere did, but I didn't, and neither did anyone else here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drawing certain parallels with Hitler or any other national leader/party - that you balk so much at the way parallels are being drawn, and ignore the fact that nobody is actually calling Trump Hitler #2, I'd say you're that one who is unable to grasp even a basic concept in this context. You're letting your emotions about Hitler and the stigma that name carries get in the way of logical, critical thought about the topic IMO. I'm not laughing though. It's actually quite irritating.

There you go with your "parallels" again. Trump isn't Hitler...he's just Parallel Hitler.

this is what drives me nuts about my wife sometimes. she's always speaks in absolutes. I say I don't want one thing, so she does the complete extreme opposite. "I don't like black". "so your favourite colour is white?"

that's not what anyone is saying here. PJ_Soul even typed CERTAIN PARALLELS. You are only reading what you want to read to get your "I'm laughing at you" rocks off.

remember this: "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". noticing patterns of behaviour is important.

This is a silly analogy. There is no point in discussing the parallels to the rise of Hitler unless you are actually concerned that Trump could actually become a Hitler. Your "doomed to repeat history" quote makes that exact point. Trump as Parallel Hitler is laughable on it's face.

right, because there are no degrees of evil, just super evil and not evil at all. good one.

Ok Hugh the please tell me...

On your world leader evil scale, with Hitler being a 10 and the Dali Lama being a zero, please tell me where you would place President-Elect Trump.

HughFreakingDillon

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lotsa hitler shows appearing non-stop on the history channel as of late. is it his bday or something?

No, Hitler's birthday is April 20th (I know because it's also my own birthday, lol). I would say the history channel intends it to be a warning.... a subtle suggestion that Americans keep the history of the Nazi party in mind as Trump does his thing (I assume you know this and your comment was somewhat tongue in cheek). I personally think the Nazi party/Trump parallels are very apt in many ways. I'm not suggesting Trump will end up committing systematic genocide or anything, but there are definitely a lot of very Nazi-esque things that he has and apparently plans on doing. This become more apparent by the day as he chooses his cabinet and how he deals with media. I think the sharp negative reaction by Trump supporters when these comparisons are made may be based in denial as well as a bit of guilt.

It's a line the opposition has to carefully walk in order to have some sort of persuasive effect. You don't want to start to holler about nazis and the jews because you'll instantly lose people, but you also want to send up some red flags right now, for example, about the idea being kicked around to register Muslims.

Agreed, but also the propaganda machine, and people should be watching very carefully when it comes to control/manipulation of the media by the government, and the removal of rights and freedoms for various groups and people in general. These are the things I'm most concerned about and that remind me of the Nazi rise to power.... Not to mention Bannon and these others who Trump is choosing for his cabinet. They kinds of relationships between Trump and these people seems very odd to me, and also reminds me of the way Hitler chose his inner circle.

This is a great one to screen cap. The nazis are coming! Can add it to the cry wolf pile in 4-8 years.

Why is it crying wolf when parallels are drawn between the socioeconomic climate leading to Hitler's rise to power, and Trump's rise to power? Has history not shown there's validity in watching a politician carefully who attributes the flaws of society to specific demographics, and commits to any means necessary (i.e. checks and balances be damned) to reach an exclusionary end? Being cautious and thinking critically about the rate of flow of power and the rate of power usage do not seem like negative messages to send to the general population.

Anybody who uses Hitler or Nazis in any sentence with reference to Trump has lost all historical perspective. The Art of the Deal is not Mein Kampf. It is a laughable discussion. I am laughing.

I think you have lost all perspective on the issue itself. Who said that The Art of Deal is Mein Kampf? I'm sure someone somewhere did, but I didn't, and neither did anyone else here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with drawing certain parallels with Hitler or any other national leader/party - that you balk so much at the way parallels are being drawn, and ignore the fact that nobody is actually calling Trump Hitler #2, I'd say you're that one who is unable to grasp even a basic concept in this context. You're letting your emotions about Hitler and the stigma that name carries get in the way of logical, critical thought about the topic IMO. I'm not laughing though. It's actually quite irritating.

There you go with your "parallels" again. Trump isn't Hitler...he's just Parallel Hitler.

this is what drives me nuts about my wife sometimes. she's always speaks in absolutes. I say I don't want one thing, so she does the complete extreme opposite. "I don't like black". "so your favourite colour is white?"

that's not what anyone is saying here. PJ_Soul even typed CERTAIN PARALLELS. You are only reading what you want to read to get your "I'm laughing at you" rocks off.

remember this: "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it". noticing patterns of behaviour is important.

This is a silly analogy. There is no point in discussing the parallels to the rise of Hitler unless you are actually concerned that Trump could actually become a Hitler. Your "doomed to repeat history" quote makes that exact point. Trump as Parallel Hitler is laughable on it's face.

right, because there are no degrees of evil, just super evil and not evil at all. good one.

Ok Hugh the please tell me...

On your world leader evil scale, with Hitler being a 10 and the Dali Lama being a zero, please tell me where you would place President-Elect Trump.

you can't yet. but there is validity in drawing parallels between what has happened in the past as a way of avoiding something similar, obviously not even close to the same scale, but something similar, in the future. the way he campaigned, the people he seems to be chumming with....that doesn't ring any alarm bells to you in this regard?

HughFreakingDillon

look, I get it. I generally consider hitler comparisons to be lazy. no one is comparing trump to hitler at this point. Just pointing out there are similarities in the way they drummed up support and in policies he wants to enact when he becomes potus. that is all.

Go Beavers

I'd say the bigger parallel is how people are following along in the same manner as people have with past dictators. A dictator isn't anything without followers. Without them they're just another nut job.