OK well at least...

DM282158

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate

Sad truth is people were jaded to look past Hillary's indiscretions due to hate of Trump

She is a career politician who has made millions off our political system. She was a board of director member for Walmart. The Clinton Foundation is a sham to filter money. She bought a house in a state she has never lived in to run for office. She committed election fraud and colluded with the DNC to rig a nomination. She endangered national security numerous times and remained in a marriage for political gain. She is what is wrong with America's political system. The Clintons are no different than the Bush's.

Some may have voted for Trump due to racism and xenophobia. Most did because they are the working class that has been ignored since the 70s. It's no surprise that Wisconsin, Ohio,PA all went for Trump. He was the only voice they have had for years.

I'm concerned about Trump but also hopeful. We knew what we get with hillary but Trump is at least an unknown. His victory speech speaked of infrastructure and the abolishment of the ridiculously bad Obamacare. The rhetoric of his speech was promising. A businessman as opposed to a politician running the country is intriguing. It's America's job now to make sure he was just pandering to a base with his remarks. I'm hopeful because America just gave the middle finger to big politics. Let's see if it works

Beautifully stated. Let's face it - it will be better for everyone if Trump does a good job, on all of our behalves. (I'd say the same for Clinton if she had won.)

Let's see what happens, and hold him accountable to his words and actions.

HawkeyeJam

Tim Simmons said:

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate

Sad truth is people were jaded to look past Hillary's indiscretions due to hate of Trump

She is a career politician who has made millions off our political system. She was a board of director member for Walmart. The Clinton Foundation is a sham to filter money. She bought a house in a state she has never lived in to run for office. She committed election fraud and colluded with the DNC to rig a nomination. She endangered national security numerous times and remained in a marriage for political gain. She is what is wrong with America's political system. The Clintons are no different than the Bush's.

Some may have voted for Trump due to racism and xenophobia. Most did because they are the working class that has been ignored since the 70s. It's no surprise that Wisconsin, Ohio,PA all went for Trump. He was the only voice they have had for years.

Just to be clear, his racism and misogyny as well as assault accusations are not as bad as her establishment position and lapses in good judgement?

Not at all. More along the lines of ones faults doesn't dissolve the others. I'm fully aware they both were poor candidates. I had no horse in this race. I abstained from voting due to lack of desire for either. I just am willing to give him an opportunity to prove people wrong. I'm for a better America and if thats to happen it will have to be with him.

Very interesting social experiment. People were eager for a true outsider and finally get to see it. People have clamored for a government to push domestic infrastructure as well. Maybe this works? It's worth a shot.


John F Kennedy was one of the biggest misogynists in the history of American politics and he is beloved. I can look past them if Trump can move grow from it.

RP112579

It's about time something went right for white males.

Tim Simmons

DM282158 said:

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate

Sad truth is people were jaded to look past Hillary's indiscretions due to hate of Trump

She is a career politician who has made millions off our political system. She was a board of director member for Walmart. The Clinton Foundation is a sham to filter money. She bought a house in a state she has never lived in to run for office. She committed election fraud and colluded with the DNC to rig a nomination. She endangered national security numerous times and remained in a marriage for political gain. She is what is wrong with America's political system. The Clintons are no different than the Bush's.

Some may have voted for Trump due to racism and xenophobia. Most did because they are the working class that has been ignored since the 70s. It's no surprise that Wisconsin, Ohio,PA all went for Trump. He was the only voice they have had for years.

I'm concerned about Trump but also hopeful. We knew what we get with hillary but Trump is at least an unknown. His victory speech speaked of infrastructure and the abolishment of the ridiculously bad Obamacare. The rhetoric of his speech was promising. A businessman as opposed to a politician running the country is intriguing. It's America's job now to make sure he was just pandering to a base with his remarks. I'm hopeful because America just gave the middle finger to big politics. Let's see if it works

Beautifully stated. Let's face it - it will be better for everyone if Trump does a good job, on all of our behalves. (I'd say the same for Clinton if she had won.)

Let's see what happens, and hold him accountable to his words and actions.

And I'm fine with that and will give him the shot. But it would be a lot fucking easier if he wasn't empowering people who are just mean and nasty who threaten violence.

Tim Simmons

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

HawkeyeJam

OceansJenny said:

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate.

There is more to the ballot than just the President. Not an excuse to stay home. You could have obtained from or written in president and still voted for senators, judges, questions, etc. It's disappointing when people forget about the rest of the ballot.

Most of what was on our ballot for Linn County were foregone conclusions and not necessarily great choices. Iowa went heavy Red this year. I usually do vote

DM282158

Tim Simmons said:

DM282158 said:

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate

Sad truth is people were jaded to look past Hillary's indiscretions due to hate of Trump

She is a career politician who has made millions off our political system. She was a board of director member for Walmart. The Clinton Foundation is a sham to filter money. She bought a house in a state she has never lived in to run for office. She committed election fraud and colluded with the DNC to rig a nomination. She endangered national security numerous times and remained in a marriage for political gain. She is what is wrong with America's political system. The Clintons are no different than the Bush's.

Some may have voted for Trump due to racism and xenophobia. Most did because they are the working class that has been ignored since the 70s. It's no surprise that Wisconsin, Ohio,PA all went for Trump. He was the only voice they have had for years.

I'm concerned about Trump but also hopeful. We knew what we get with hillary but Trump is at least an unknown. His victory speech speaked of infrastructure and the abolishment of the ridiculously bad Obamacare. The rhetoric of his speech was promising. A businessman as opposed to a politician running the country is intriguing. It's America's job now to make sure he was just pandering to a base with his remarks. I'm hopeful because America just gave the middle finger to big politics. Let's see if it works

Beautifully stated. Let's face it - it will be better for everyone if Trump does a good job, on all of our behalves. (I'd say the same for Clinton if she had won.)

Let's see what happens, and hold him accountable to his words and actions.

And I'm fine with that and will give him the shot. But it would be a lot fucking easier if he wasn't empowering people who are just mean and nasty who threaten violence.

His flaws are endless, no doubt. And we shall hold him accountable for them.

I'm simply echoing what his opponent said today: "We owe Donald Trump an open mind and a chance to lead. "

cp3iverson

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate

Sad truth is people were jaded to look past Hillary's indiscretions due to hate of Trump

She is a career politician who has made millions off our political system. She was a board of director member for Walmart. The Clinton Foundation is a sham to filter money. She bought a house in a state she has never lived in to run for office. She committed election fraud and colluded with the DNC to rig a nomination. She endangered national security numerous times and remained in a marriage for political gain. She is what is wrong with America's political system. The Clintons are no different than the Bush's.

Some may have voted for Trump due to racism and xenophobia. Most did because they are the working class that has been ignored since the 70s. It's no surprise that Wisconsin, Ohio,PA all went for Trump. He was the only voice they have had for years.

I'm concerned about Trump but also hopeful. We knew what we get with hillary but Trump is at least an unknown. His victory speech speaked of infrastructure and the abolishment of the ridiculously bad Obamacare. The rhetoric of his speech was promising. A businessman as opposed to a politician running the country is intriguing. It's America's job now to make sure he was just pandering to a base with his remarks. I'm hopeful because America just gave the middle finger to big politics. Let's see if it works

Good post

josevolution

Sarava said:

Tim Simmons said:

what I can't wrap my head around is how many in the US are totally ok with misogyny, xenophobia, racism and the shunning of science. And that people are fine with those qualities in their leader. And I think it's cynical and spiteful to want him anyway just to send a message to the political ruling class.

IMO this vote was more about disliking Hillary, than liking Trump.

Still the winner is all of the above you can't deny that !

PJ_Soul

nicknyr15 said:

100 Pacer said:

scott nowland said:

Eddie might move to Australia Canada.....

Fixed.

Haha! No surf in Canada!

Yes there is. Tofino, BC. Just a little ways up the coast from Seattle on the west side of Vancouver Island. Pretty amazing for surfers.

PJ_Soul

Noload said:

nicknyr15 said:

I see this as more as a revolt, I am not a Trump supporter or a Hilary supporter but this election was a revolt against politicians. Its a game changer and no matter how we all feel, we must hope he does well. To root against him is to root against our country.

Yes. As a side note, Ive witnessed more Republican presidential losses on social media than Republican wins. Antecdotally, my more liberal friends are the only ones Ive seen call for death to congressmen, dance on a supreme court justice's grave, and ask for the CIA to take out Trump before Jan. Ive encountered some angry hippies lol. Should make for some great PJ music though

I haven`t seen anyone say those things. If my liberal friends started talking that way I'd pull out the butterfly net, lol ... I know that plenty of Trump supporters were super into killing Clinton before last night though. They liked to announce it at rallies and everything.

OceansJenny

HawkeyeJam said:

OceansJenny said:

HawkeyeJam said:

I did not vote. I wouldnt pit my name on either candidate.

There is more to the ballot than just the President. Not an excuse to stay home. You could have obtained from or written in president and still voted for senators, judges, questions, etc. It's disappointing when people forget about the rest of the ballot.

Most of what was on our ballot for Linn County were foregone conclusions and not necessarily great choices. Iowa went heavy Red this year. I usually do vote

Ok good at least you did consider the rest of the ballot - cheers.

Brannigans law

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

PJ_Soul

Brannigans law said:

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

Sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the specific topic/what is being defended.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

Brannigans law said:

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

Sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the specific topic/what is being defended.

Right!. When I use a certain word here on the AMT, in its proper context and with its proper meaning, and then have it be a trigger word for people who deem it a racist word, then yes, I get tired of political correctness. I understand the sentiment of the post, and there is some truth to it, but in some cases, political correctness is just that.

Go Beavers

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Brannigans law said:

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

Sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the specific topic/what is being defended.

Right!. When I use a certain word here on the AMT, in its proper context and with its proper meaning, and then have it be a trigger word for people who deem it a racist word, then yes, I get tired of political correctness. I understand the sentiment of the post, and there is some truth to it, but in some cases, political correctness is just that.

Was that the when 'spade' was used in the context of discussing racism? If so, that was just you being ignorant and not an issue of being overly pc.

jeffbr

Go Beavers said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Brannigans law said:

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

Sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the specific topic/what is being defended.

Right!. When I use a certain word here on the AMT, in its proper context and with its proper meaning, and then have it be a trigger word for people who deem it a racist word, then yes, I get tired of political correctness. I understand the sentiment of the post, and there is some truth to it, but in some cases, political correctness is just that.

Was that the when 'spade' was used in the context of discussing racism? If so, that was just you being ignorant and not an issue of being overly pc.

Haha, no! I've defended thug and savage. Spade was someone else.

InHiding80

Pot is legal in CA.

Speaking of pot, Floyd early years this Friday.

Go Beavers

jeffbr said:

Go Beavers said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Brannigans law said:

Tim Simmons said:

But make no mistake, when people say they are tired of "political correctness", what they are really saying is they are tired of having to be courteous, respectful and kind.

sigh

Sometimes that's true, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the specific topic/what is being defended.

Right!. When I use a certain word here on the AMT, in its proper context and with its proper meaning, and then have it be a trigger word for people who deem it a racist word, then yes, I get tired of political correctness. I understand the sentiment of the post, and there is some truth to it, but in some cases, political correctness is just that.

Was that the when 'spade' was used in the context of discussing racism? If so, that was just you being ignorant and not an issue of being overly pc.

Haha, no! I've defended thug and savage. Spade was someone else.

I remember now. Yes, thug being the new 'n' word, and people who use it say they use it across the board regardless of race. Sure they do.

gnaztee

I've yet to hear a specific example of how political correctness actually hurts our country.

And the idea that the Clinton Foundation is a sham is bullshit. Not to mention that Obama pushed to bail out auto companies (workers). So no, the midwest working class hasn't been neglected since the 70s.