Running over protestors
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There are a thousand reasons someone might be needing to get down those roads other than getting to work. Not everything is about them either! If I am driving and have my family with me and someone in one of these mobs starts trying to gain access to my vehicle, though, it quickly becomes about me and my foot would quickly press the gas.Free said:
The problem with this is: not everything is about you, the driver, so stop making it about you and Heaven forbid, getting to work late. No one cares if you're late for work. It isn't about YOU (not you personally).PJPOWER said:
I think this conversation is more about the right of the driver that ran through the protesters to do so. I didn't see any police or officials trying to stop the protest, but if they start harming personal property or threatening someone going on with their daily life, then that person has the right to ignore the protest "cause" and protect themselves and property... The driver gave pretty clear warning that he was about to push on the gas. Protest however you want, but do not be a fool surprised when your recklessness results is negative consequences.Drowned Out said:I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here:
Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break.
We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'.
We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil.
We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.0 -
This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting.
Deplorable, one might say.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Go ahead and think that when you have someone breaking into your house at night.rgambs said:This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting.
Deplorable, one might say.
Or would you just say "Stop right there and wait while I call the police please and while you wait here is a glass of organic milk and fruit if you're hungry".
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Sure, but stuff is just stuff.PJPOWER said:
Deplorable are the ones that desire to destroy another person's property.rgambs said:This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting.
Deplorable, one might say.
If you care about it enough to hurt someone who isn't threatening you, that's just fucked up.
I do understand that the situations often overlap, but we have all seen stories where they don't.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
So you give very, very conservative bait and give a very, very liberal response to the reply.rgambs said:
Sure, but stuff is just stuff.PJPOWER said:
Deplorable are the ones that desire to destroy another person's property.rgambs said:This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting.
Deplorable, one might say.
If you care about it enough to hurt someone who isn't threatening you, that's just fucked up.
I do understand that the situations often overlap, but we have all seen stories where they don't.
Doesn't make sense.
If the reply agreed with you you would have a new friend.0 -
So what latest public attention garnering protest have you been involved in lately?Drowned Out said:I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here:
Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break.
We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'.
We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil.
We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
Does your work know?0 -
Protest can be down right rewarding, PJF. Find something you believe in a and try it sometime. So beats standing on the side line.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
So what latest public attention garnering protest have you been involved in lately?Drowned Out said:I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here:
Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break.
We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'.
We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil.
We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
Does your work know?
Looking forward to Drowned Out's reply!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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Exactly BL
Your book recommendations always give someone something to think about.
Gives a nice pause.0 -
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
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Why, thank you. I guess I'm a little obsessive that way, haha.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Exactly BL
Your book recommendations always give someone something to think about.
Gives a nice pause.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
And good luck convincing them that it was not in that situation. I've seen that scenario play out more often. If you are in your car and someone starts breaking out your window, I guarantee the castle doctrine would apply. Besides, do they have a conversation before hand as to what their intent is? All you know is that they are behaving violently and you can legally defend yourself and stop an aggressor from breaking into your home (in which the castle doctrine pretty much recognizes your vehicle as a home on wheels). And there are even laws from state to state that are different when it comes to when you can use deadly force to stop someone from committing a crime which includes property damage. I, personally, would not shoot someone if they were stealing my TV due to personal moral choices, but in some states, that is actually perfectly legal.Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
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How old are you?Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
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That's just fucked up.PJPOWER said:
And good luck convincing them that it was not in that situation. I've seen that scenario play out more often. If you are in your car and someone starts breaking out your window, I guarantee the castle doctrine would apply. Besides, do they have a conversation before hand as to what their intent is? All you know is that they are behaving violently and you can legally defend yourself and stop an aggressor from breaking into your home (in which the castle doctrine pretty much recognizes your vehicle as a home on wheels). And there are even laws from state to state that are different when it comes to when you can use deadly force to stop someone from committing a crime which includes property damage.Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
It's one thing if you fear for your safety, but if the law doesn't even require you to make that claim...what a sad, fucked up side effect capitalism has on society.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I like how you rock in the free world.rgambs said:
That's just fucked up.PJPOWER said:
And good luck convincing them that it was not in that situation. I've seen that scenario play out more often. If you are in your car and someone starts breaking out your window, I guarantee the castle doctrine would apply. Besides, do they have a conversation before hand as to what their intent is? All you know is that they are behaving violently and you can legally defend yourself and stop an aggressor from breaking into your home (in which the castle doctrine pretty much recognizes your vehicle as a home on wheels). And there are even laws from state to state that are different when it comes to when you can use deadly force to stop someone from committing a crime which includes property damage.Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
It's one thing if you fear for your safety, but if the law doesn't even require you to make that claim...what a sad, fucked up side effect capitalism has on society.
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Why, because you believe you should stand back and watch if someone tries burning your house or business down? That's perfectly fine too, no one is forcing you to stop them...rgambs said:
That's just fucked up.PJPOWER said:
And good luck convincing them that it was not in that situation. I've seen that scenario play out more often. If you are in your car and someone starts breaking out your window, I guarantee the castle doctrine would apply. Besides, do they have a conversation before hand as to what their intent is? All you know is that they are behaving violently and you can legally defend yourself and stop an aggressor from breaking into your home (in which the castle doctrine pretty much recognizes your vehicle as a home on wheels). And there are even laws from state to state that are different when it comes to when you can use deadly force to stop someone from committing a crime which includes property damage.Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
It's one thing if you fear for your safety, but if the law doesn't even require you to make that claim...what a sad, fucked up side effect capitalism has on society.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
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My problem with this is the people sitting here telling me all of the above (I'm inclined to agree with most of it) will also tell me how one protest is just and another isn't even when they share the common enemy.Drowned Out said:I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here:
Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break.
We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'.
We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil.
We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
The Indian protesters in ND have a valid cause, but so did the guys in the wildlife refuge.
Eric Garner was murdered by government agents.
Lavoy Finicum was murdered by government agents.
There's NO difference, even if someone's brain can't grasp that.
And it'll never change until we stick together. But we are divided, and we are playing right in their plan of divert and distract.
Left wing, right wing, same bird.0 -
46. Please tell me how that's relevant. I've seen protests that disrupted traffic and people were jumping and beating on cars with no intention of hurting the people inside the cars. But convince me that I don't know what I'm talking about because of my age.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
How old are you?Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
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Maybe you should look up what a forcible felony in Illinois is. Wait, here you go: (720 ILCS 5/2-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2-8)unsung said:Illinois State law... one can use a firearm to stop a forcible felony.
Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(Source: P.A. 88-277; 89-428, eff. 12-13-95; 89-462, eff. 5-29-96.)0 -
You're cute.Go Beavers said:
46. Please tell me how that's relevant. I've seen protests that disrupted traffic and people were jumping and beating on cars with no intention of hurting the people inside the cars. But convince me that I don't know what I'm talking about because of my age.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
How old are you?Go Beavers said:
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.unsung said:
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.Go Beavers said:
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.PJPOWER said:
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?Go Beavers said:
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!pjalive21 said:stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
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