Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.
It would not be my choice either, Jason, but then as a child I wasn't dragged from my home without my parents consent and forced to go to school where I was punished for speaking my native language or practicing any of my native customs. This happened to many Native American children in my life time. The abuse continues. Look at the on-going history. I totally get why they protest and why many find that at this point the only means of being heard is through extreme measures. You can't expect these people to just continue to take the abuse after all these years and so little and such slow progress has been made.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.
Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.
No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.
Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?
Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.
My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.
Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.
No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.
Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?
Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.
Who has treated them badly? First of all, governement, yes, of course. But not just government. Developers, miners, oil companies, etc etc.
Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.
And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.
Building roads creates divisiveness and makes people angry. There's a rampant history of rich whites sprawling into suburbia, who decided the easiest way to commute into the city was to carve a new highway through traditionally poor communities. Imminent Domain was seen as a legal, efficient way to break up and/or displace minority neighborhoods. Highways and byways became the physical manifestation of years of racial segregation.
My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.
Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.
No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.
Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?
Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.
Who has treated them badly? First of all, governement, yes, of course. But not just government. Developers, miners, oil companies, etc etc.
Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.
And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?
It does when govt is the cause of every single one of their problems.
Or do these oil companies just start digging with government approval?
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
first thing: the reason they block traffic is cause they are trying to cause a disruption. it is called a protest. protests are supposed to upset people.
2nd thing, i agree with you that they should not threaten the driver.
3rd thing, they don't hate all cops, they hate the cops who shoot unarmed people. there is a difference
# 3.. they block roads and burn down stores and loot screaming "kill all white people" but they only hate cops who shoot unarmed people ? sounds like an intelligent bunch.
Godfather.
As usual, the concept that a loud and extreme few could potentially misrepresent a more moderate and respectful movement or populace is nuance that seems to be beyond your ability to grasp.
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.
Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.
No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.
Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?
Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.
Who has treated them badly? First of all, governement, yes, of course. But not just government. Developers, miners, oil companies, etc etc.
Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.
And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?
It does when govt is the cause of every single one of their problems.
Or do these oil companies just start digging with government approval?
Let's not reduce this to something so simplistic. Racism toward and genocide of the Native Americans has been an on-going part of our history. If the people were against it, they would have changed to government by now. Government is not just some separate entity that exists on its own. It is voted in and support ed by the populous. If Americans in generally were not in favor of the actions against natives, the history would be different. But it's not. It is a history of white America suppressing and doing its best to eliminate non-whites. Did you know that as recently as the 70's and 80's sterilization of Native American women through tubal legation forced several thousand (possibly as many as 70,000) of these women to be unable to reproduce? That's genocide. Those procedures were carried out by doctors, not government employees.
But I know, you'll blame it on government again. But the people support it by their votes, by their racism and by their ignorance.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.
Building roads creates divisiveness and makes people angry. There's a rampant history of rich whites sprawling into suburbia, who decided the easiest way to commute into the city was to carve a new highway through traditionally poor communities. Imminent Domain was seen as a legal, efficient way to break up and/or displace minority neighborhoods. Highways and byways became the physical manifestation of years of racial segregation.
huh? Now the department of transportation is to blame? It's not like they are building force fields or check points.
Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.
Building roads creates divisiveness and makes people angry. There's a rampant history of rich whites sprawling into suburbia, who decided the easiest way to commute into the city was to carve a new highway through traditionally poor communities. Imminent Domain was seen as a legal, efficient way to break up and/or displace minority neighborhoods. Highways and byways became the physical manifestation of years of racial segregation.
huh? Now the department of transportation is to blame? It's not like they are building force fields or check points.
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
It's definitely possible, they will not accept defeat, they will rant and rave about the rigged system.
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
It's definitely possible, they will not accept defeat, they will rant and rave about the rigged system.
Yeah, I don't think a big post-election shit show is impossible either. With these yahoos babbling about revolutions and shit like that, some of them might actually think running out and having a collective hissy fit will have some kind of purpose.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
It's definitely possible, they will not accept defeat, they will rant and rave about the rigged system.
Yeah, I don't think a big post-election shit show is impossible either. With these yahoos babbling about revolutions and shit like that, some of them might actually think running out and having a collective hissy fit will have some kind of purpose.
I saw someone on facebook say that all their time at the gun range would be coming in handy come November.
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
I believe that protester should not block emergency services at all and if protesters did to that then yes they should be charged with whatever crime is valid. that is alot different than people just wanting to go home. imo, the person in the video should be charged
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
I really enjoyed reading this one. Thank you for the laugh
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
Maybe (although that not quite comparable - people don't block traffic with the express intent of preventing an ambulance from getting through, whereas a driver does run over a protester with the express intent of running them down and hurting them. That would be a much different crime than what you're asking about). It gets a lot more complicated obviously. I assume the organizer(s) of the protest could be held liable - that's not really the hard part. The hard part is figuring out when to apply such action. I mean, what happens when crowds from large sporting events block traffic? The same laws should apply to protests I suppose. Who do you think would be liable in that case? The arena? The sports team? Every single fan who wouldn't get out of the street? The traffic cops who didn't redirect traffic adequately? Even more complicated, how does one decide when the possibility of public protest and civil disobedience - actually one of the basic cornerstones of American freedom - should be compromised for the sake of related but unintended circumstances? It's also hard to answer because half the time these protests that block traffic develop organically, and it may be out of the control of the organizers, and one doesn't want to put so much of deterrent on public protest that it doesn't happen. It's a crowd, not a person. You can't send a whole crowd to prison for something like that. Maybe you should ask a lawyer this question?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
the protesters were native Americans, you know them right? the original people in the country who were killed by the white people
That were mostly government white people.
Yeah, and all the other white people cheered them on and did their best to keep the government white people informed so they knew where to go to commit genocide. Most of the American settlers were 100% anti-Indian and you know it. They all believed that they had the right to move right onto their land and take over (which they did, for the most part). If any Native dared come near them they'd circle the wagons and draw the guns. It's like if the government came up with the law that you could break into someone's house, make yourself comfortable, and then threaten the owners with hostility and even death when they come home to find you sleeping in their bed. Only the government's responsibility, right?
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.
Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.
And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?
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Or do these oil companies just start digging with government approval?
Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered.
That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
But I know, you'll blame it on government again. But the people support it by their votes, by their racism and by their ignorance.
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Even more complicated, how does one decide when the possibility of public protest and civil disobedience - actually one of the basic cornerstones of American freedom - should be compromised for the sake of related but unintended circumstances? It's also hard to answer because half the time these protests that block traffic develop organically, and it may be out of the control of the organizers, and one doesn't want to put so much of deterrent on public protest that it doesn't happen. It's a crowd, not a person. You can't send a whole crowd to prison for something like that. Maybe you should ask a lawyer this question?