Running over protestors

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one

So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!

What if they start banging on your car and cracking windows? Then what?

That's rasy....

They bang on my car I kill them
If they crack my car windows I kill them

oftenreading

hedonist said:

It's a risk taken. I can't see (or hope I wouldn't see) a protester being intentionally run over but given certain conditions, the door is open for some really bad accidents and loss of life - property too.

Any effective protest will involve some risk. Maybe just to reputation, maybe the risk of being arrested, maybe for physical injury.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

How does one get their voice heard in a corrupt machine?

Well, we know you can't stay at a wildlife refuge in the middle of nowhere where you aren't threatening anyone or destroying property.

Ummm, but they did destroy property. Public property. Maybe Godfather's solution would have been appropriate here and out at the Bundy ranch?

PJPOWER

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one

So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!

What if they start banging on your car and cracking windows? Then what?

That's rasy....

They bang on my car I kill them
If they crack my car windows I kill them

Pretty sure the castle doctrine would apply here actually. No different than them destroying or breaking windows to gain entry to your house.

pjalive21

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one

So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!

being a law abiding tax paying citizen who doesn't disrupt society is important....you play with fire you have a change to get burned...taking care of my family is more important and i have done absolutely nothing to these people or any other group for them to disrupt my way of living...brutal point of view, yes...but are these protesters going to pay my bills if i cant make it to work? do i want to have that choice whether to protect my job and safety versus these people who cant find other means of venting their frustration?

CM189191

Godfather. said:

fife said:

unsung said:

http://urbanleak.com/truck-runs-over-columbus-day-protesters/

Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.

first thing: the reason they block traffic is cause they are trying to cause a disruption. it is called a protest. protests are supposed to upset people.

2nd thing, i agree with you that they should not threaten the driver.

3rd thing, they don't hate all cops, they hate the cops who shoot unarmed people. there is a difference

# 3.. they block roads and burn down stores and loot screaming "kill all white people" but they only hate cops who shoot unarmed people ? sounds like an intelligent bunch.

Godfather.

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eddiec

Over the years that I've been going to Akumal/Tulum in Mexico the road from Cancun has changed from a jungle route to a highway. The people living in Akumal pueblo have to cross this road (sometimes with children) to get to work and as the road became a highway they pleaded with the government to build a footbridge over the highway for obvious safety reasons. The government refused and one day a teenage girl was killed trying to cross it. The local people in Akumal staged a protest where they sat on the highway and stopped traffic in both directions for hours. It caused major disruptions.

Now there is a footbridge so the people in Akumal pueblo can safely cross the highway.

PJPOWER

eddiec said:

Over the years that I've been going to Akumal/Tulum in Mexico the road from Cancun has changed from a jungle route to a highway. The people living in Akumal pueblo have to cross this road (sometimes with children) to get to work and as the road became a highway they pleaded with the government to build a footbridge over the highway for obvious safety reasons. The government refused and one day a teenage girl was killed trying to cross it. The local people in Akumal staged a protest where they sat on the highway and stopped traffic in both directions for hours. It caused major disruptions.

Now there is a footbridge so the people in Akumal pueblo can safely cross the highway.

Apples and oranges. I guess if they are okay with getting run over, then go for it. My problem is that the BLM expect people to stop at their mercy and cry foul when someone tries to force their way through. Again, play on the highway, don't be surprised if you get hit by a car.

brianlux

My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.

Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.

No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.

Jason P

Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.

brianlux

Jason P said:

Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.

It would not be my choice either, Jason, but then as a child I wasn't dragged from my home without my parents consent and forced to go to school where I was punished for speaking my native language or practicing any of my native customs. This happened to many Native American children in my life time. The abuse continues. Look at the on-going history. I totally get why they protest and why many find that at this point the only means of being heard is through extreme measures. You can't expect these people to just continue to take the abuse after all these years and so little and such slow progress has been made.

unsung

brianlux said:

My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.

Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.

No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.

Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?

Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.

brianlux

unsung said:

brianlux said:

My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.

Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.

No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.

Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?

Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.

Who has treated them badly? First of all, governement, yes, of course. But not just government. Developers, miners, oil companies, etc etc.

Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.


And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?

josevolution

I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...

CM189191

Jason P said:

Blocking roads and making people angry creates divisiveness.

Building roads creates divisiveness and makes people angry. There's a rampant history of rich whites sprawling into suburbia, who decided the easiest way to commute into the city was to carve a new highway through traditionally poor communities. Imminent Domain was seen as a legal, efficient way to break up and/or displace minority neighborhoods. Highways and byways became the physical manifestation of years of racial segregation.

Halifax2TheMax

Don't you guys know that only white people are allowed to protest? Particularly after their team wins/loses a major sporting event?

unsung

brianlux said:

unsung said:

brianlux said:

My thinking is first of all, not a wise move to argue with protesters. It's a person right to argue with them of course, but if it had been me, I'd of been polite and asked for permission to pass or turn around. That would very likely have defused the whole incident. Besides that, knowing it was a group of Native Americans protest the "celebration" of Columbus Day, I would have probably asked if I could join their protest. That so-called holiday needs to be done with.

Secondly, this was not a BLM action JPPOWER so not sure why you bring that into the discussion.

No, in fact it was a group of Native Americans, not BLM. Look at the history of Native American treatment, abuse and genocide. Looking at that history, no way am I going to complain about their protest. Not in the least.

Just out of curiosity who has treated them bad?

Actually I'll answer: Government. Go protest there instead of blocking my way.

Who has treated them badly? First of all, governement, yes, of course. But not just government. Developers, miners, oil companies, etc etc.

Secondly, I'm not blocking your way.


And does everything you post have to be yet another one of your anti-government rants?

It does when govt is the cause of every single one of their problems.

Or do these oil companies just start digging with government approval?

unsung

Halifax2TheMax said:

Don't you guys know that only white people are allowed to protest? Particularly after their team wins/loses a major sporting event?

Ok, that was funny.

rgambs

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

fife said:

unsung said:

http://urbanleak.com/truck-runs-over-columbus-day-protesters/

Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.

first thing: the reason they block traffic is cause they are trying to cause a disruption. it is called a protest. protests are supposed to upset people.

2nd thing, i agree with you that they should not threaten the driver.

3rd thing, they don't hate all cops, they hate the cops who shoot unarmed people. there is a difference

# 3.. they block roads and burn down stores and loot screaming "kill all white people" but they only hate cops who shoot unarmed people ? sounds like an intelligent bunch.

Godfather.

As usual, the concept that a loud and extreme few could potentially misrepresent a more moderate and respectful movement or populace is nuance that seems to be beyond your ability to grasp.

Which is the height of irony isn't it? Lol

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

http://urbanleak.com/truck-runs-over-columbus-day-protesters/

Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.

Ugh, not this topic again.
Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered.
That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.