I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
Have you not been watching Trump rallies he has already started putting those kind nfs of thoughts into his supporters minds , how do you think they will act ? I believe they will be angry protest...
I can't wait for the Trumpsters protest after they loose the election wanna see how they protest , will they be orderly will they only protest on the sidewalk...
Do you think there will be protest or riots?? never really thought about that to be honest
It's definitely possible, they will not accept defeat, they will rant and rave about the rigged system.
Yeah, I don't think a big post-election shit show is impossible either. With these yahoos babbling about revolutions and shit like that, some of them might actually think running out and having a collective hissy fit will have some kind of purpose.
I saw someone on facebook say that all their time at the gun range would be coming in handy come November.
I think they were speaking of the social deviants that will fight over a $30 made in China electronic device on black Friday.
stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.
the protesters were native Americans, you know them right? the original people in the country who were killed by the white people
That were mostly government white people.
Yeah, and all the other white people cheered them on and did their best to keep the government white people informed so they knew where to go to commit genocide. Most of the American settlers were 100% anti-Indian and you know it. They all believed that they had the right to move right onto their land and take over (which they did, for the most part). If any Native dared come near them they'd circle the wagons and draw the guns. It's like if the government came up with the law that you could break into someone's house, make yourself comfortable, and then threaten the owners with hostility and even death when they come home to find you sleeping in their bed. Only the government's responsibility, right?
Yes, land grab America AKA "Continental Conquest". And they justified it by some hoopla about "God given rights". They call it anything but what it was/is- theft, imperialism, racism and genocide.
But I think unsung was making a joke... and if so, it fell flat. Only one kind of people can really joke about Indians well. Native Americans. Sherman Alexie, Jim Northrup, Adrian C. Louis, Paul Chaat Smith. When those guys tell an Indian joke, it--is--funny!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.
stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.
Really? Is that why you want to move to Indiana? Gary maybe so you can be "justified?"
Seriously, go ahead and protest your cause. But why do they block traffic? These people just want to go about their day and get home. Then threaten the driver and call the cops that they hate so much.
Ugh, not this topic again. Protesters often try to cause disruption in order to have a greater impact. If all protesters ever did was stand there in a park or whatever chanting, nobody would ever take notice. Disrupting traffic (or whatever) draws the attention of the masses and the media. As far as protests go, the more attention they draw the better, and honestly, I don't think they give a flying fuck about people who feel inconvenienced by a cause they feel is important enough to be protesting about in the first place (and neither do I, FWIW, assuming the protest has a valid cause. I would have thought this is obvious. As for divisiveness... yes, it can cause that. And that is part of the fuel that leads to change a lot of the time. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes conflict is necessary when it comes to real change. Personally, I think those who complain about a traffic jam when it's connected to an important cause are being really selfish and self-centered. That said, if a car is driving at you, get the fuck out of the way. However, to aim your car at someone like that is despicable and illegal. At the end of the day, anyone who runs over a protester because they are in the street should go to prison for a good long time.
So (hypothetically) should protesters that block an ambulance from reaching a hospital, causing a patient to die, go to prison for a good long time as well?
Maybe (although that not quite comparable - people don't block traffic with the express intent of preventing an ambulance from getting through, whereas a driver does run over a protester with the express intent of running them down and hurting them. That would be a much different crime than what you're asking about). It gets a lot more complicated obviously. I assume the organizer(s) of the protest could be held liable - that's not really the hard part. The hard part is figuring out when to apply such action. I mean, what happens when crowds from large sporting events block traffic? The same laws should apply to protests I suppose. Who do you think would be liable in that case? The arena? The sports team? Every single fan who wouldn't get out of the street? The traffic cops who didn't redirect traffic adequately? Even more complicated, how does one decide when the possibility of public protest and civil disobedience - actually one of the basic cornerstones of American freedom - should be compromised for the sake of related but unintended circumstances? It's also hard to answer because half the time these protests that block traffic develop organically, and it may be out of the control of the organizers, and one doesn't want to put so much of deterrent on public protest that it doesn't happen. It's a crowd, not a person. You can't send a whole crowd to prison for something like that. Maybe you should ask a lawyer this question?
I think it would probably boil down to intent. If protestors are purposely blocking traffic or if
stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.
Wrong, you can use force to stop someone from destroying your property in many states, not sure about every state though. The objective is not to "kill" them, but to stop the crime in progress. If that involves pushing on the gas peddle to get your family and property out of harms way, so be it. If they get run over, it is because they are illegally protesting and putting their own lives in danger. In the video above, you can hear people threatening the driver "I'll fuck you up", beating on the truck, and trying to open the driver's door. Let us not forget that the driver was legally on the roadway and the protesters were illegally there...I doubt they would have much of a case against the driver.
Illinois State law... one can use a firearm to stop a forcible felony.
That's Illinois state law Which means it's a government enforced statute. Thought we hated and ignored government and it's laws? Or maybe we support government and it's statutes as it suits our needs and beliefs?
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
I think this conversation is more about the right of the driver that ran through the protesters to do so. I didn't see any police or officials trying to stop the protest, but if they start harming personal property or threatening someone going on with their daily life, then that person has the right to ignore the protest "cause" and protect themselves and property... The driver gave pretty clear warning that he was about to push on the gas. Protest however you want, but do not be a fool surprised when your recklessness results is negative consequences.
the protesters were native Americans, you know them right? the original people in the country who were killed by the white people
That were mostly government white people.
I think a review of native American history is needed. Trust me, not everything is government fault.
you got that right ! and there is also evidence that first inhabitants in N. America were Asian, they actually settled here. but yes the Indian people had been here a long friggin time.......glad we don't live in teepee's LOL !
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
I think this conversation is more about the right of the driver that ran through the protesters to do so. I didn't see any police or officials trying to stop the protest, but if they start harming personal property or threatening someone going on with their daily life, then that person has the right to ignore the protest "cause" and protect themselves and property... The driver gave pretty clear warning that he was about to push on the gas. Protest however you want, but do not be a fool surprised when your recklessness results is negative consequences.
The problem with this is: not everything is about you, the driver, so stop making it about you and Heaven forbid, getting to work late. No one cares if you're late for work. It isn't about YOU (not you personally).
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
I think this conversation is more about the right of the driver that ran through the protesters to do so. I didn't see any police or officials trying to stop the protest, but if they start harming personal property or threatening someone going on with their daily life, then that person has the right to ignore the protest "cause" and protect themselves and property... The driver gave pretty clear warning that he was about to push on the gas. Protest however you want, but do not be a fool surprised when your recklessness results is negative consequences.
The problem with this is: not everything is about you, the driver, so stop making it about you and Heaven forbid, getting to work late. No one cares if you're late for work. It isn't about YOU (not you personally).
There are a thousand reasons someone might be needing to get down those roads other than getting to work. Not everything is about them either! If I am driving and have my family with me and someone in one of these mobs starts trying to gain access to my vehicle, though, it quickly becomes about me and my foot would quickly press the gas.
This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting. Deplorable, one might say.
Go ahead and think that when you have someone breaking into your house at night. Or would you just say "Stop right there and wait while I call the police please and while you wait here is a glass of organic milk and fruit if you're hungry".
This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting. Deplorable, one might say.
Deplorable are the ones that desire to destroy another person's property.
Sure, but stuff is just stuff. If you care about it enough to hurt someone who isn't threatening you, that's just fucked up. I do understand that the situations often overlap, but we have all seen stories where they don't.
This desire to inflict bodily harm on people to protect property is perverse and disgusting. Deplorable, one might say.
Deplorable are the ones that desire to destroy another person's property.
Sure, but stuff is just stuff. If you care about it enough to hurt someone who isn't threatening you, that's just fucked up. I do understand that the situations often overlap, but we have all seen stories where they don't.
So you give very, very conservative bait and give a very, very liberal response to the reply. Doesn't make sense. If the reply agreed with you you would have a new friend.
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
So what latest public attention garnering protest have you been involved in lately? Does your work know?
I've lost track of how many times I've posted this here: Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break. We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'. We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil. We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
So what latest public attention garnering protest have you been involved in lately? Does your work know?
Protest can be down right rewarding, PJF. Find something you believe in a and try it sometime. So beats standing on the side line.
Looking forward to Drowned Out's reply!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
stand on the highway, get run over...period...i have a job to get to or other responsibilities..they are other ways to get your voice heard...disrupting people getting to work or for other emergency services you immediately lose any apathy to your cause...even if it is a legit one
So it's justified to kill people who block traffic? Makes sense. Being on time is important!
Running through an illegal blockade is perfectly justified if your passenger is having a heart attack or if you feel your life or property are in jeopardy. Are you saying that it is justified to block access to hospitals and cause property damage because you are angry?
You can't kill people because you're property is at risk. Not sure about the heart attack one.
If they are smashing your car windows in you'd better believe you can defend yourself.
PJ said "property at risk" separate from life at risk. If people are banging on cars and break your window in the process, and then you decide to shoot one dead, good luck with convincing the jury your life was at risk.
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Imagine what they'll do when they need food.
But I think unsung was making a joke... and if so, it fell flat. Only one kind of people can really joke about Indians well. Native Americans. Sherman Alexie, Jim Northrup, Adrian C. Louis, Paul Chaat Smith. When those guys tell an Indian joke, it--is--funny!
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
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Which means it's a government enforced statute.
Thought we hated and ignored government and it's laws?
Or maybe we support government and it's statutes as it suits our needs and beliefs?
Love the quote.
It's amazing to me that so many rail against protesting government actions by means of civil disobedience. Especially people who will openly admit the system is broken, or that the government is chipping away at our rights. Does it really matter all that much if you're an hour late for work with a 100% legit excuse? No thought given to the greater good? So called patriot freedom fighters supporting the state (or worse: violence against protestors)because they are late for work, give me a break.
We sit here wondering why the bankers have been allowed to cash 8 figure bonuses on the tax payers backs. Why no oil company execs are jailed for negligence when they destroy an entire ecosystem. Why militarized police are allowed to arrest senior citizens and confiscate their belongings for a single plant. Why we have no say in regards to our militaries bombing far off lands and putting our security at risk. We state our admiration for countries like Iceland that have successfully done something about it. Yet every single fucking time anyone protests anything that delays our rat race objectives, we condemn the people fighting for what they believe in. Every time workers organize, we talk about the detriment of unions on our economy. We bitch about our eroding rights and freedoms; mourn the loss of freedom to assemble, but bitch and complain about every unauthorized protest. We bitch about the surveillance state, but turn around and say 'if you're doing nothing wrong, it doesn't matter'.
We bitch about rigged elections and the quality of leadership, yet take sides and fight for the lesser evil.
We should all stand against injustice and with the oppressed, even if the injustice or cause has no bearing on our daily lives.
but yes the Indian people had been here a long friggin time.......glad we don't live in teepee's LOL !
Godfather.
Deplorable, one might say.
Or would you just say "Stop right there and wait while I call the police please and while you wait here is a glass of organic milk and fruit if you're hungry".
If you care about it enough to hurt someone who isn't threatening you, that's just fucked up.
I do understand that the situations often overlap, but we have all seen stories where they don't.
Doesn't make sense.
If the reply agreed with you you would have a new friend.
Does your work know?
Looking forward to Drowned Out's reply!
Exactly BL
Your book recommendations always give someone something to think about.
Gives a nice pause.