The Podesta Emails

Gern Blansten

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/11/nbc-reporter-suggests-scandal-over-routine-status-hearing-regarding-release-clinton-emails/213754

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

So you're saying if I hire someone to go kill someone else, I'm not responsible for that? I didn't do it, it was just someone I hired to do my dirty work. Of course not. Maybe Hilary didn't delete it herself, but she still didn't hand them over and hired someone to do it for her.

JC29856

tonifig8 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

This guy is stil not convinced of anything!! Hahaha!!
She's an angel and you're just trying to smear her, JC!
Holy fuck this is comedy gold right here!!

He makes a distinction between lying and saying something that is false.

Hilliary didn't lie about landing under sniper fire she made a false statement about taking photos and greeting children.
Hilliary didn't lie about using only one device she made a false statement about using 13 devices.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

So you're saying if I hire someone to go kill someone else, I'm not responsible for that? I didn't do it, it was just someone I hired to do my dirty work. Of course not. Maybe Hilary didn't delete it herself, but she still didn't hand them over and hired someone to do it for her.

No...that would be completely unrelated to what we were discussing

Boxes&Books

JC29856 said:

tonifig8 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

This guy is stil not convinced of anything!! Hahaha!!
She's an angel and you're just trying to smear her, JC!
Holy fuck this is comedy gold right here!!

He makes a distinction between lying and saying something that is false.

Hilliary didn't lie about landing under sniper fire she made a false statement about taking photos and greeting children.
Hilliary didn't lie about using only one device she made a false statement about using 13 devices.

I can't believe the amount of excuses I'm reading on this subject. Not even the fucking White House has challenged the authenticity of these emails. The words are coming directly from Clinton and yet that isn't enough. Talk about being delusional, man.

There simply is no fucking excuse.

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

tonifig8 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

This guy is stil not convinced of anything!! Hahaha!!
She's an angel and you're just trying to smear her, JC!
Holy fuck this is comedy gold right here!!

He makes a distinction between lying and saying something that is false.

Hilliary didn't lie about landing under sniper fire she made a false statement about taking photos and greeting children.
Hilliary didn't lie about using only one device she made a false statement about using 13 devices.

We weren't talking about the sniper fire. Maybe that was a lie....I don't know, I haven't looked at it.

Did she use 13 devices at one time? What's the lie there?

JC29856

part 4 cometh!

JC29856

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

tonifig8 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

This guy is stil not convinced of anything!! Hahaha!!
She's an angel and you're just trying to smear her, JC!
Holy fuck this is comedy gold right here!!

He makes a distinction between lying and saying something that is false.

Hilliary didn't lie about landing under sniper fire she made a false statement about taking photos and greeting children.
Hilliary didn't lie about using only one device she made a false statement about using 13 devices.

We weren't talking about the sniper fire. Maybe that was a lie....I don't know, I haven't looked at it.

Did she use 13 devices at one time? What's the lie there?

Nuff said!

bootlegger10

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

Only if you hadn't measure it when you caught it. She is a liar. The lies may not be that big a deal to you but she is a liar.

You are also very naïve to think that every guilty person is prosecuted and every innocent person is not. If there was ever any pressure not to prosecute Hillary it would be when prosecuting her would put Donald Trump in office.

JC29856

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5616



Re: Happy New Year

From:john.podesta@gmail.com To: donna@brazileassociates.com Date: 2016-01-03 19:33 Subject: Re: Happy New Year

Thanks Donna. Holed up in the bunker and miss seeing you. On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Donna Brazile wrote: > As soon as the nomination is wrapped up, I will be your biggest surrogate.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

So you're saying if I hire someone to go kill someone else, I'm not responsible for that? I didn't do it, it was just someone I hired to do my dirty work. Of course not. Maybe Hilary didn't delete it herself, but she still didn't hand them over and hired someone to do it for her.

No...that would be completely unrelated to what we were discussing

No it isn't. You're whole defense to the argument was that she hired someone to delete the emails and she didn't do it herself. So what? She still had subpoenaed emails deleted. And it was weeks later, not like later the same day where maybe you'd have a very small argument that she were already being deleted by the time she got the subpoena. No, it was weeks later, so if she didn't hire the person AFTER the subpoena, which is most likely, she at least had multiple opportunities to stop the destruction of evidence. Hiring someone else to do your dirty work is never an excuse.

Gern Blansten

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

Only if you hadn't measure it when you caught it. She is a liar. The lies may not be that big a deal to you but she is a liar.

You are also very naïve to think that every guilty person is prosecuted and every innocent person is not. If there was ever any pressure not to prosecute Hillary it would be when prosecuting her would put Donald Trump in office.

Whatever....HRC has been subjected to absolute bullshit. The real abuse of power has been what the GOP has done to her.

Luckily there are more people like me than you. We'll watch out for you.

JC29856

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

So you're saying if I hire someone to go kill someone else, I'm not responsible for that? I didn't do it, it was just someone I hired to do my dirty work. Of course not. Maybe Hilary didn't delete it herself, but she still didn't hand them over and hired someone to do it for her.

No...that would be completely unrelated to what we were discussing

No it isn't. You're whole defense to the argument was that she hired someone to delete the emails and she didn't do it herself. So what? She still had subpoenaed emails deleted. And it was weeks later, not like later the same day where maybe you'd have a very small argument that she were already being deleted by the time she got the subpoena. No, it was weeks later, so if she didn't hire the person AFTER the subpoena, which is most likely, she at least had multiple opportunities to stop the destruction of evidence. Hiring someone else to do your dirty work is never an excuse.

There is a leaked email dated after subpoena that says this not sure if I posted.

Just get a third party to take care of the server.

Reply: already done

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

Trump is a horrible choice, can't deny that. I can understand weighing what little good you can find from the candidates and think Hilary is the lesser evil, I get that. I weigh everything and think Trump, as horrible as he is, is the better choice, but still admit he is a horrible choice and still can't fathom how in the world he was chosen over the 16 other much more qualified candidates.
This is directed to those who no matter what seem to stand by Hilary's side and make excuses for her or blame the repubs for making mountains out of molehills.
I don't get how anyone can ignore all of the scandals or give the impression they are fabricated.
I'm not as concerned that she used a private server as I am she destroyed evidence AFTER a subpoena was issued to hand it over, and everyone, including the FBI seems okay with that. That's just one example among the dozens listed here and elsewhere. If you're going to vote for her, can you at least admit she is also a terrible candidate, just the lesser of the two evils in your mind?

30 years of mudslinging political theater and nothing has stuck. I'll repeat that: not. one. thing. She has been smeared so repeatedly that there is the appearance of scandal where there is none. The people see through it and are tired of it. Is she Obama perfect? No. But she certainly is more qualified by any and every measure. To consider her the lesser of two evils is insulting. I saw a sandwich analogy somewhere that goes like this:

Voters: Hello Subway sandwich artist, can I have a ham sandwich.
Artist: I'm sorry. We ran out of ham yesterday, how about a delicious turkey sandwich instead?
Voters: I'm so angry you don't have ham, I'm just going to eat this sh*t sandwich for 4 years instead.
(Trump is the sh*t sandwich)

You really think this is just mudslinging, made up accusations?
No one made up the fact she was served a subpoena, that's fact. She deleted tens of thousands of emails after the subpoena, that's fact. She lied to the FBI during the investigation, that's fact. What part of that falls under mudslinging?
People are in jail for far less that what she's done, that's also fact. Any one of those can lead to jail time, and would have if her name wasn't Clinton.

"She" didn't delete emails. The firm that she hired to clean up her server deleted the emails.

She didn't lie to the FBI. They clearly said that she didn't lie....some of the statements that she made ended up not being correct or accurate. That isn't necessarily lying....which is why the FBI said it wasn't going to prosecute.

If I go fishing and tell you "damn I caught a 24 inch fish" and we measure it and it turns out to be 23" I didn't lie....I was just wrong.

Only if you hadn't measure it when you caught it. She is a liar. The lies may not be that big a deal to you but she is a liar.

You are also very naïve to think that every guilty person is prosecuted and every innocent person is not. If there was ever any pressure not to prosecute Hillary it would be when prosecuting her would put Donald Trump in office.

Whatever....HRC has been subjected to absolute bullshit. The real abuse of power has been what the GOP has done to her.

Luckily there are more people like me than you. We'll watch out for you.

At least admit she is corrupt, but still a better choice than Trump. That at least makes some sense. But to say she did nothing wrong by ignoring a subpoena and destroying evidence is just not true.
The GOP didn't make her lie about her emails, she did that. They didn't make her destroy evidence and not cooperate, she did that. What exactly is the GOP making up and subjecting her to in this email scandal?

JC29856

DNC insight, illustrates how dnc could car less about voters. Not "earth shattering" but it gives "normal people" interesting perspective. I'll get to the normal people in a moment.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5423

JC29856

Through internal discussions, we concluded that it was in our interest to: 1) limit the number of debates (and the number in each state); 2) start the debates as late as possible; 3) keep debates out of the busy window between February 1 and February 27, 2016 (Iowa to South Carolina); 4) create a schedule that would allow the later debates to be cancelled if the race is for practical purposes over; 5) encourage an emphasis on local issues and local media participants in the debate formats; and 6) ensure a format that provides equal time for all candidates and does not give the moderator any discretion to focus on one candidate.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5688#efmASYAcT

Just run of the mill democracy stuff!

JC29856

No intent! Isn't honesty the best policy?


https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5711


Sorry to miss the 10. Was on with HRC. I'm very nervous about doing the screw up line by paper. That has to come from her.

Attaching here two versions of this statement, one for delivery and one for paper. I'd also like to focus our attention on the key lines about the server, which may need work: "Right now, different government agencies are debating what might possibly now be declared classified, and what’s appropriate to release to the public. Different federal bureaucracies handle these questions differently. So it’s no surprise that many Americans find this all pretty confusing. I hope the State Department and other relevant authorities will sort it out as quickly as possible and release as many emails as possible, as unredacted as possible. *In the meantime, I want to set to rest any questions about the current security of these files. So I’m handing over my email server and a thumb drive with copies of all the emails already provided to the State Department..." * On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Dan Schwerin wrote: > Circling back to this. John, you said you might have ideas on how to edit > the server sentence? Brian just floated whether we should say "I messed up" > instead of "this was a screw-up." What do folks think about that? Other > edits we should make? And then what are next steps here?

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

No intent! Isn't honesty the best policy?


https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5711


Sorry to miss the 10. Was on with HRC. I'm very nervous about doing the screw up line by paper. That has to come from her.

Attaching here two versions of this statement, one for delivery and one for paper. I'd also like to focus our attention on the key lines about the server, which may need work: "Right now, different government agencies are debating what might possibly now be declared classified, and what’s appropriate to release to the public. Different federal bureaucracies handle these questions differently. So it’s no surprise that many Americans find this all pretty confusing. I hope the State Department and other relevant authorities will sort it out as quickly as possible and release as many emails as possible, as unredacted as possible. *In the meantime, I want to set to rest any questions about the current security of these files. So I’m handing over my email server and a thumb drive with copies of all the emails already provided to the State Department..." * On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Dan Schwerin wrote: > Circling back to this. John, you said you might have ideas on how to edit > the server sentence? Brian just floated whether we should say "I messed up" > instead of "this was a screw-up." What do folks think about that? Other > edits we should make? And then what are next steps here?

nothing here....are you just trying to increase your post count?

JC29856

Can't make this up.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2488


Folks -- a terrific addition to the HHS team would be Dr. Susan J. Blumenthal. She's the wife of Rep. Ed Markey, a crucial Hill ally. She retired from the HHS Public Health Service as a Rear Admiral. I pulled the bio below from the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She'd obviously be especially terrific looking at the PHS, NIH, Women's Health. She knows a lot about where bodies are buried. Pretty important to include her somehow. OK? Please let me know. I'm having dinner with Markey on Monday.

mace1229

Hey JC, could you please find 30,000 deleted emails about weddings and yoga? Thanks!