THE DEBATES 2016

mace1229

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

The only time we're talking about "abortion" is, by definition, before the fetus is viable, so before about 24/25 weeks at the earliest. A far cry from a day before the due date, which is 40 weeks.

You are precisely right. And the serious pro-life movement today is not happy with his arguments. They know damn well people aren't aborting fetuses days before delivery and so these points that he reinforced of "ripping the baby from the womb" actually do the movement a disservice. It mocks them by not understanding what they care about. The same thing happened with his MAJOR error when he said women must be punished back in the spring.

Then what does "late term abortion" mean, and why did Hilary say sometimes new information comes in the last weeks of the pregnancy that can influence a mother's decision if she was referring to 24 weeks?
She clearly was not referring to 24 weeks and earlier.

How do you know she clearly wasn't referring to 24 weeks or earlier?

A late termination of pregnancy often refers to an induced ending of pregnancy after the 20th week of gestation. The exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term, however, is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 16 weeks as "late".[5][6] Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two of the JAMA articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.[7] The third JAMA article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.[8]
The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Sometimes late-term abortions are referred to as post-viability abortions. However, viability varies greatly among pregnancies. Many pregnancies are viable after the 27th week, and no pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. Everything in between is a "grey area".[8]

Because didn't she say something along the lines of sometimes new information is revealed during the last few weeks of pregnancy? I don't have a transcript, but I remember her saying something very similar to that during that conversation, which would mean much later than week 24 if you're talking about the last weeks of a pregnancy.

So, that "new information" would be that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or a fatal medical condition.

Or a threat to the mother's life when the fetus isn't viable.

Definitely could be. That wasn't the question though, the question how did in infer she was for abortions passed 24 weeks.

The quote that is was pretty much every article was Clinton saying ""This is one of the worst possible choices that any women and her family has to make and I do not believe the government should be making it."
That however left out the beginning of the sentence, I could not find a single article until I watched a video clip where she started the sentence with "At the end of a pregnancy..." And followed that statement again by saying "At the end of a pregnancy." I don't see how someone could mean 24 weeks and use the phrase "At the end of the pregnancy."

I can't read minds either but 24 weeks could be considered the end of pregnancy. Due to complications, my youngest was born at 28 weeks and spent 7 weeks in NICU. So 24 weeks was clearly in the latter stages for us. But I'm still not sure why you are using 24 weeks as your marker.

I'm not. A previous post used 24 weeks as a marker for late term abortions, through Wikipedia I think. I was responding to that.

I get what you're saying, and that in your case 24 weeks was towards the end for you. I still don't think most people would use that term end of pregnancy unless they were trying to include 38 or 39 weeks also.

And there very well can be women whose health will be in danger if they give birth. But like a previous poster said, that's one major use for a C-section. Everyone I know who had a C-section was a direct result that they went beyond their term without going into labor, or the baby was abnormally big so V-birth was risky. Abortion should not be an option at that point if a C-section is an option.
If someone is going to advocate for late term abortions I would be much more comfortable if they emphasized it was a last and only option when health is being considered. Most babies born a month early are perfectly healthy, and to not consider it a life only because he/she hasn't made a journey through a birth canal doesn't make sense to me. I haven't heard Hilary say that, and she didn't say that in the debate last night.

She doesn't need to say that, because she knows that medically it would not happen. It just wouldn't, full stop. You're making up situations that don't exist and complaining that she didn't talk about them.

I guess I had a different impression from her remarks. She made it clear she supports late term abortion and wants to fight for the rights to have late term abortions. She referenced abortions at the end of the pregnancy. Combine what she said with the fact many states don't allow abortions after 20 or 24 weeks. To me her comments make more sense with the perspective she wishes to expand the term in which abortions are allowed.

She could have easily clarified this by responding to Trump with a statement that she wouldn't support an abortion beyond a period where the fetus could survive, or given a specific time frame. But she didn't, she responded by saying she supports abortions "at the end of the pregnancy" when parents make that difficult decision. Why would she say that if she didn't want a full term abortion? It's misleading if that isn't what she meant.

It's only misleading if you don't take it in the context of what actually happens medically.

And, for the third time, when she's referring to difficult decisions later in pregnancy she's referring to situations in which the fetus is seriously, likely fatally, malformed. That is definitely a difficult situation in my books. It doesn't refer to a term healthy fetus.

And for the third time the question wasn't about when a late term abortion is acceptable, the discussion started because someone said there's no evidence to suggest she wants abortions after 24 weeks period. You're the one that keeps bringing health into it, 3 times.

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

The only time we're talking about "abortion" is, by definition, before the fetus is viable, so before about 24/25 weeks at the earliest. A far cry from a day before the due date, which is 40 weeks.

You are precisely right. And the serious pro-life movement today is not happy with his arguments. They know damn well people aren't aborting fetuses days before delivery and so these points that he reinforced of "ripping the baby from the womb" actually do the movement a disservice. It mocks them by not understanding what they care about. The same thing happened with his MAJOR error when he said women must be punished back in the spring.

Then what does "late term abortion" mean, and why did Hilary say sometimes new information comes in the last weeks of the pregnancy that can influence a mother's decision if she was referring to 24 weeks?
She clearly was not referring to 24 weeks and earlier.

How do you know she clearly wasn't referring to 24 weeks or earlier?

A late termination of pregnancy often refers to an induced ending of pregnancy after the 20th week of gestation. The exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term, however, is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 16 weeks as "late".[5][6] Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two of the JAMA articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.[7] The third JAMA article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.[8]
The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Sometimes late-term abortions are referred to as post-viability abortions. However, viability varies greatly among pregnancies. Many pregnancies are viable after the 27th week, and no pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. Everything in between is a "grey area".[8]

Because didn't she say something along the lines of sometimes new information is revealed during the last few weeks of pregnancy? I don't have a transcript, but I remember her saying something very similar to that during that conversation, which would mean much later than week 24 if you're talking about the last weeks of a pregnancy.

So, that "new information" would be that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or a fatal medical condition.

Or a threat to the mother's life when the fetus isn't viable.

Definitely could be. That wasn't the question though, the question how did in infer she was for abortions passed 24 weeks.

The quote that is was pretty much every article was Clinton saying ""This is one of the worst possible choices that any women and her family has to make and I do not believe the government should be making it."
That however left out the beginning of the sentence, I could not find a single article until I watched a video clip where she started the sentence with "At the end of a pregnancy..." And followed that statement again by saying "At the end of a pregnancy." I don't see how someone could mean 24 weeks and use the phrase "At the end of the pregnancy."

I can't read minds either but 24 weeks could be considered the end of pregnancy. Due to complications, my youngest was born at 28 weeks and spent 7 weeks in NICU. So 24 weeks was clearly in the latter stages for us. But I'm still not sure why you are using 24 weeks as your marker.

I'm not. A previous post used 24 weeks as a marker for late term abortions, through Wikipedia I think. I was responding to that.

I get what you're saying, and that in your case 24 weeks was towards the end for you. I still don't think most people would use that term end of pregnancy unless they were trying to include 38 or 39 weeks also.

And there very well can be women whose health will be in danger if they give birth. But like a previous poster said, that's one major use for a C-section. Everyone I know who had a C-section was a direct result that they went beyond their term without going into labor, or the baby was abnormally big so V-birth was risky. Abortion should not be an option at that point if a C-section is an option.
If someone is going to advocate for late term abortions I would be much more comfortable if they emphasized it was a last and only option when health is being considered. Most babies born a month early are perfectly healthy, and to not consider it a life only because he/she hasn't made a journey through a birth canal doesn't make sense to me. I haven't heard Hilary say that, and she didn't say that in the debate last night.

She doesn't need to say that, because she knows that medically it would not happen. It just wouldn't, full stop. You're making up situations that don't exist and complaining that she didn't talk about them.

I guess I had a different impression from her remarks. She made it clear she supports late term abortion and wants to fight for the rights to have late term abortions. She referenced abortions at the end of the pregnancy. Combine what she said with the fact many states don't allow abortions after 20 or 24 weeks. To me her comments make more sense with the perspective she wishes to expand the term in which abortions are allowed.

She could have easily clarified this by responding to Trump with a statement that she wouldn't support an abortion beyond a period where the fetus could survive, or given a specific time frame. But she didn't, she responded by saying she supports abortions "at the end of the pregnancy" when parents make that difficult decision. Why would she say that if she didn't want a full term abortion? It's misleading if that isn't what she meant.

It's only misleading if you don't take it in the context of what actually happens medically.

And, for the third time, when she's referring to difficult decisions later in pregnancy she's referring to situations in which the fetus is seriously, likely fatally, malformed. That is definitely a difficult situation in my books. It doesn't refer to a term healthy fetus.

And for the third time the question wasn't about when a late term abortion is acceptable, the discussion started because someone said there's no evidence to suggest she wants abortions after 24 weeks period. You're the one that keeps bringing health into it, 3 times.

Reread your post that I am replying to. You specifically asked "Why would she say that if she didn't want a full term abortion?". I'm telling you why.

Free

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

JC29856

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

Gern Blansten

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

GWB opened the door to political buffoonery. we got used to it and learned to laugh at it instead of being disgusted with it.

JC29856

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

GWB opened the door to political buffoonery. we got used to it and learned to laugh at it instead of being disgusted with it.

good point, his shit somehow became acceptable.

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

GWB opened the door to political buffoonery. we got used to it and learned to laugh at it instead of being disgusted with it.

good point, his shit somehow became acceptable.

it's all SNL's fault! cancel that show!

Free

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

pjalive21

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

I have to say your're right...the losers are the American people

and i agree with what Jose said above too i wish the choices could have been someone like Rand (who was my choice) or even Kasich.....American people being tired of the bs is what got us Trump especially knowing the other option was Hillary

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

She's supremely qualified and ready to continue the Obama legacy. After her three debate performances, I'm happier than ever with the thought that she may be the POTUS.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

Free

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

dignin

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

No. These two candidates are not equal.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

Yeah...the guy she beat, soundly. The guy that now endorses her. The guy that you choose to ignore.

mrussel1

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

It's so ironic that you cry about being attacked but somehow it's okay to attack Gern... You and others. Fortunately he has leathery skin and strong in his convictions.

Free

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

It's so ironic that you cry about being attacked but somehow it's okay to attack Gern... You and others. Fortunately he has leathery skin and strong in his convictions.

Yet, by combing this forum, it is correct he is an apologist. It is not an attack.

Buh-bye.

mrussel1

Free said:

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

It's so ironic that you cry about being attacked but somehow it's okay to attack Gern... You and others. Fortunately he has leathery skin and strong in his convictions.

Yet, by combing this forum, it is correct he is an apologist. It is not an attack.

Buh-bye.

You in your infallible wisdom made that assessment therefore you are free to attack, whilst simultaneously complaining about the same. Congrats on your moral authority.

oftenreading

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

And money, corruption and promises led to a terrible DNC candidate.

Who would have been a better democratic candidate?

You know who, former BernieBros, now Hillary apologist...

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Free said:

benjs said:

pjalive21 said:

josevolution said:

Godfather. said:

Knowing that she is corrupt. Knowing that she has sold influence and profited from her position. Knowing that she lied to us, the public and Congress. Knowing she did her best to destroy and belittle her husband's sexual harassment victims. These are all proven indisputable facts. You think she is fit for leading our Country? How?

Godfather.

He still lost the debate & election with his debate performances not just last night but combined, he could of won the WH if he was just remotely sane !

If you think he lost the debate last night you're a blinded fool...sorry but i cant put it much nicer

Clinton spewed lie, after lie, and if you defend a person who believes in late term abortions up to the due date then you're a sick individual..period

Clinton Foundations is corrupt, look no further than Colombia, not just Haiti

Im not even a Trump fan but this crap is getting ridiculous with the blind support for this criminal

and the media wants to talk about him not conceding if he loses as the main headline, thank god i no longer work in a worthless career as the media has become

Honestly - I don't know about win or lose technically, but I thought they both appeared to be losers. I'm completely out of sympathy when both candidates refuse accountability for their checkered pasts, instead opting to attack each other on (occasionally relevant) topics. There's only one position that's solidified in my mind from each and every one of these debates: America's current Presidential offerings are embarrassingly weak.

Completely agree w/ this. The minute they stop talking policy and started fighting w/ each other, I had to keep turning it off. So completely embarrassing for this country.

How did we get here?

uh...because the GOP imploded and nominated a complete dipshit

You're not wrong and I cant be proud of who the GOP nominated. But equally to blame is who the DNC nominated. Both are worthless candidates leading to a worthless election and a waste of the next 4 years.

It's so ironic that you cry about being attacked but somehow it's okay to attack Gern... You and others. Fortunately he has leathery skin and strong in his convictions.

Uh oh. He's one of those lizard people?

Damn.