so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
Because a large portion of the general population is clueless and stupid. The number of people who cant even name the current vice president would probably shock most.
But who do you blame then? The media/government/corporations for taking advantage of a blissfully ignorant populace, or the blissfully ignorant populace themselves? No one forces the Average Joe/Joanne to live in a state of mis- or non-education: can we not propel our society away from that?
Ultimately the populace but they are too stupid to see through the fog of right wing media.
The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.
I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.
This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
Because a large portion of the general population is clueless and stupid. The number of people who cant even name the current vice president would probably shock most.
But who do you blame then? The media/government/corporations for taking advantage of a blissfully ignorant populace, or the blissfully ignorant populace themselves? No one forces the Average Joe/Joanne to live in a state of mis- or non-education: can we not propel our society away from that?
Ultimately the populace but they are too stupid to see through the fog of right wing media.
The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.
I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.
This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
Obama had this to say in 2009... it just perfectly sums up your point...
“I got a letter the other day from a woman. She said, ‘I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare.’”
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
Because a large portion of the general population is clueless and stupid. The number of people who cant even name the current vice president would probably shock most.
But who do you blame then? The media/government/corporations for taking advantage of a blissfully ignorant populace, or the blissfully ignorant populace themselves? No one forces the Average Joe/Joanne to live in a state of mis- or non-education: can we not propel our society away from that?
Ultimately the populace but they are too stupid to see through the fog of right wing media.
The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.
I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.
This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
Obama had this to say in 2009... it just perfectly sums up your point...
“I got a letter the other day from a woman. She said, ‘I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare.’”
Crazy....how to get those people to think is the challenge. It's scary.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
If there was no voter suppression, No superdelegates, no repealing of Obama's move to refuse lobbyist money in elections by DWS and HRC and no rigged primaries, Bernie Sanders would've won.
In your opinion. Millions of votes separated them, that's quite a hurdle.
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
If there was no voter suppression, No superdelegates, no repealing of Obama's move to refuse lobbyist money in elections by DWS and HRC and no rigged primaries, Bernie Sanders would've won.
In your opinion. Millions of votes separated them, that's quite a hurdle.
Superdelegate votes. Do you forget? They were neck and neck and what put her over the top was the majority of superdelegates - bought and paid for by HRC months in advance. Rigged.
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
I can go on...
What venue held tens of millions?
The Voter Suppression Arena outside Springfield. The Rigged Coliseum outside Columbus The Hillary Memorial Amphitheater outside the city. They all held
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
I can go on...
Bernie only got 13 million total votes in the primaries - so according to you pretty much every single person who voted for Bernie attended the rallies and most more than 1? umm ok there chief.
Discussing abortion is only a losing situation for her. Trump is totally ignorant about it and will say whatever in the moment and a lot of his followers are equally ignorant.
and you are voting for Hillary ? ignorant is sometimes self describing. why wouldn't you vote for one of the other people ? because Hillary has so much "experience" ?
Godfather.
Yes, it's exactly why. And Trump is an incompetent fool, that's another good reason. The third is that the other candidates don't have a chance. So it seems pretty easy when you think through it rationally.
after a lot of thought and 8 hours of sleep whom ever we vote for and what ever reasons why we do we are right as long as we vote. trying to convince others that we are right is usually a waste of time.
Godfather.
You've been consistently condescending in your treatment of anyone supporting Clinton. Nice of you to wash your hands of calling any supporter of Clinton a sheep for literally months, by doing an about face in your typical fashion by now saying that "every vote is a great vote".
Also, proposing that conversation for the sake of educating and learning is a waste of time is effectively to admit that "ignorance is bliss". Worse than that, when you take bidirectional conversation out of the picture, it means that the most resonant remaining news source is the mainstream media which you've condemned oh so much for its lack of truthfulness. Which is it? Do you want sheep, or do you want honestly educated people? And when honestly educated people's opinions are in disagreement with your fear-induced isolationist stances, are you willing to accept that maybe the populace aren't as stupid as you think, and share or value different stances from your own?
well actually I'm just tired of reading the senseless babble spewed on this topic, I know who I'm voting for and reading all the crap on here will not change my mind. an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.
And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count? CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate? No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
I can go on...
Bernie only got 13 million total votes in the primaries - so according to you pretty much every single person who voted for Bernie attended the rallies and most more than 1? umm ok there chief.
And.... the city of Chicago metro has 10MM people total. Ergo, at every rally a crowd larger than the metro Chicago area would show up for it. That is mighty impressive, especially at a New Hampshire rally..
One of my fears coming out of these debates is that Clinton may well plunge us (ok, I'm Canadian, so you Americans, really) into another Cold War with Russia, given her rhetoric against Putin and his hackers. At least we'll have to pray it stays cold.
One other point of interest was how often it's being said "nowhere in history" has such-and-such happened, when some things could only have been possible in the last couple decades (such as Russians hacking Clinton's email, or Trump's refusal to commit to accepting the election results-how often was that a question in previous debates, especially since Al Gore?).
A cyber war is already happening. It won't be a military war.
Invading Ukraine isn't Cold War-ish? I have no problem with a hard posture toward Russia right now. They're not to be trusted.
Of course. I'm not saying there won't be proxy wars. Just saying I don't think it will be a direct military conflict.
I was really responding to the idea that it's the US and Clinton reviving the Cold War. My view is that Russian behavior is largely to blame for that.
Yes indeed. I guess I'm an idiot. I thought everyone understood that Russia isn't exactly angelic.
Huh? I didn't say anything about anyone being being an idiot. I was just responding to a post where someone said Clinton is going to revive the Cold War with her rhetoric about the hacks. I'm just pointing out that the tension with Russia pre-dates the hacks. She's right to say Putin doesn't want her as president because she and NATO won't let Russia run amok in Eastern Europe. I hope she continues to remind Americans what's going on there. It's an important foreign policy issue. I still can't believe we let them get away with that territory grab.
What? I was agreeing with you, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Discussing abortion is only a losing situation for her. Trump is totally ignorant about it and will say whatever in the moment and a lot of his followers are equally ignorant.
and you are voting for Hillary ? ignorant is sometimes self describing. why wouldn't you vote for one of the other people ? because Hillary has so much "experience" ?
Godfather.
Yes, it's exactly why. And Trump is an incompetent fool, that's another good reason. The third is that the other candidates don't have a chance. So it seems pretty easy when you think through it rationally.
after a lot of thought and 8 hours of sleep whom ever we vote for and what ever reasons why we do we are right as long as we vote. trying to convince others that we are right is usually a waste of time.
Godfather.
You've been consistently condescending in your treatment of anyone supporting Clinton. Nice of you to wash your hands of calling any supporter of Clinton a sheep for literally months, by doing an about face in your typical fashion by now saying that "every vote is a great vote".
Also, proposing that conversation for the sake of educating and learning is a waste of time is effectively to admit that "ignorance is bliss". Worse than that, when you take bidirectional conversation out of the picture, it means that the most resonant remaining news source is the mainstream media which you've condemned oh so much for its lack of truthfulness. Which is it? Do you want sheep, or do you want honestly educated people? And when honestly educated people's opinions are in disagreement with your fear-induced isolationist stances, are you willing to accept that maybe the populace aren't as stupid as you think, and share or value different stances from your own?
well actually I'm just tired of reading the senseless babble spewed on this topic, I know who I'm voting for and reading all the crap on here will not change my mind. an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.
Godfather.
yeah...you're voting for Cheeto Hitler and proud of it. Looks like he's going to get stomped....but maybe you'll get lucky and all the polls will be wrong.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Discussing abortion is only a losing situation for her. Trump is totally ignorant about it and will say whatever in the moment and a lot of his followers are equally ignorant.
and you are voting for Hillary ? ignorant is sometimes self describing. why wouldn't you vote for one of the other people ? because Hillary has so much "experience" ?
Godfather.
Yes, it's exactly why. And Trump is an incompetent fool, that's another good reason. The third is that the other candidates don't have a chance. So it seems pretty easy when you think through it rationally.
after a lot of thought and 8 hours of sleep whom ever we vote for and what ever reasons why we do we are right as long as we vote. trying to convince others that we are right is usually a waste of time.
Godfather.
You've been consistently condescending in your treatment of anyone supporting Clinton. Nice of you to wash your hands of calling any supporter of Clinton a sheep for literally months, by doing an about face in your typical fashion by now saying that "every vote is a great vote".
Also, proposing that conversation for the sake of educating and learning is a waste of time is effectively to admit that "ignorance is bliss". Worse than that, when you take bidirectional conversation out of the picture, it means that the most resonant remaining news source is the mainstream media which you've condemned oh so much for its lack of truthfulness. Which is it? Do you want sheep, or do you want honestly educated people? And when honestly educated people's opinions are in disagreement with your fear-induced isolationist stances, are you willing to accept that maybe the populace aren't as stupid as you think, and share or value different stances from your own?
well actually I'm just tired of reading the senseless babble spewed on this topic, I know who I'm voting for and reading all the crap on here will not change my mind. an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.
Godfather.
yeah...you're voting for Cheeto Hitler and proud of it. Looks like he's going to get stomped....but maybe you'll get lucky and all the polls will be wrong.
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
Rob Ford was the Mayor of your biggest city. that alone should keep you from patting your own country on the back for your political choices.
so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.
I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
we also don't have the polarization that exists in the states. the political air space that exists between our major parties is WAY smaller than that of the US.
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The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.
I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.
This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
“I got a letter the other day from a woman. She said, ‘I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare.’”
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Millions of votes separated them, that's quite a hurdle.
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CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate?
No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?
I can go on...
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http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california
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The Rigged Coliseum outside Columbus
The Hillary Memorial Amphitheater outside the city.
They all held
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an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.
Godfather.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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