pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

pjhawks

Godfather. said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

so...they're calling to charge this muslim terrorist as an enemy combatant ? AWESOME !

Godfather.

For one, it's not going to happen.

And two, so it's awesome to change the foundation of what this country was built on because some idiot blew up a dumpster?

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/lindsey-graham-wants-to-destroy-america-1786824584

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy
an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights as an American, (the ol' stand by) go to a muslim
country and tell them you demand your human rights and freedom of religion.

Godfather.

wow. nothing like destroying the very idea that this country was founded on. new low

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

serious question here: I see on Facebook a lot of people I went to high school with (I was the minority in my high school if that makes sense) are up in arms because the guy who set out pipe bombs and pressure cooker bombs somehow lived in a police shoot out. However black people are constantly being gun downed when they are unarmed. the same people are suggesting this guy is white. are muslims considered "white"? like I said, legit question.

There are plenty of morons in the world my friend

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

serious question here: I see on Facebook a lot of people I went to high school with (I was the minority in my high school if that makes sense) are up in arms because the guy who set out pipe bombs and pressure cooker bombs somehow lived in a police shoot out. However black people are constantly being gun downed when they are unarmed. the same people are suggesting this guy is white. are muslims considered "white"? like I said, legit question.

There are plenty of morons in the world my friend

yes there are!

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Godfather. said:

so...they're calling to charge this muslim terrorist as an enemy combatant ? AWESOME !

Godfather.

For one, it's not going to happen.

And two, so it's awesome to change the foundation of what this country was built on because some idiot blew up a dumpster?

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/lindsey-graham-wants-to-destroy-america-1786824584

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy
an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights as an American, (the ol' stand by) go to a muslim
country and tell them you demand your human rights and freedom of religion.

Godfather.

wow. nothing like destroying the very idea that this country was founded on. new low

unfortunately this is a good portion of the base that Trump is placating to.

CM189191

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

lukin2006

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

pjhawks

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

meddling there is what made the US public enemy #1.

lukin2006

pjhawks said:

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

Well how do know if your country is always meddling and participating in perpetual war? It may never be peaceful, doesn't mean your country has to participate in the violence and war and generally make things way worse.

lukin2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

meddling there is what made the US public enemy #1.

agreed...

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

The number of attacks on abortion clinics far exceeded the number of radical muslim attacked in this country

Lol.

So an abortion clinic getting egged is the same as the Boston Marathon?

Define attacked if I'm reading you wrong here please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

None of those acts listed are clinics that are getting "egged"

Seriously Thirty, weird post. Why did you relate the word terrorism to egging something?

Not weird at all Ms. Hypocrisy.

The abortion clinic 'attacks' are hardly comparable to the terrorist attacks we currently witness (like some are seeming to suggest).

If you say religion is a motivation for terrorism, then they're totally comparable.

I'm saying the degree of violence are incomparable.

Degree of violence? What's the difference between a bomb exploding in an abortion clinic as opposed to a dumpster on the street? I think you're missing my point. Which is there have been more attacks on US soil from radical Christians than radical islam. I didn't compare body counts. If that's what you're meaning.

Blowing up people is different than blowing up empty buildings.

Dontcha think?

So Christian terrorist have morals?

No,

But blowing up a building contrary to your beliefs is different than blowing up random people in the streets.

You obviously think they are the same. Too bad.

You obviously think that Muslim terrorists have no beliefs and no motive at all. How strange. You also seem to think that no one has been hurt or killed in abortion clinic attacks, which of course is far from the truth.

lukin2006

Maybe we could end this religion debate once and for all, any individual who commits a violent act in the name of the imaginary guy in the sky obviously doesn't believe in whatever silly religion their following...and all religion is silly and quite dumb.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

The number of attacks on abortion clinics far exceeded the number of radical muslim attacked in this country

Lol.

So an abortion clinic getting egged is the same as the Boston Marathon?

Define attacked if I'm reading you wrong here please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

None of those acts listed are clinics that are getting "egged"

Seriously Thirty, weird post. Why did you relate the word terrorism to egging something?

Not weird at all Ms. Hypocrisy.

The abortion clinic 'attacks' are hardly comparable to the terrorist attacks we currently witness (like some are seeming to suggest).

If you say religion is a motivation for terrorism, then they're totally comparable.

I'm saying the degree of violence are incomparable.

Degree of violence? What's the difference between a bomb exploding in an abortion clinic as opposed to a dumpster on the street? I think you're missing my point. Which is there have been more attacks on US soil from radical Christians than radical islam. I didn't compare body counts. If that's what you're meaning.

Blowing up people is different than blowing up empty buildings.

Dontcha think?

So Christian terrorist have morals?

No,

But blowing up a building contrary to your beliefs is different than blowing up random people in the streets.

You obviously think they are the same. Too bad.

You obviously think that Muslim terrorists have no beliefs and no motive at all. How strange. You also seem to think that no one has been hurt or killed in abortion clinic attacks, which of course is far from the truth.

That's just stupid (sorry... but it's true).

I do think Muslim terrorists have beliefs and motives: their beliefs and motives include killing people who don't believe the same as them. The number of murders at the hands of Muslim terrorists in the last month (let alone decade) absolutely annihilates the 8-10 people (most of them accidentally blown up by being there when they shouldn't have been) killed at abortion clinic attacks in the past three decades.

You couldn't be any more apologetic.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

The number of attacks on abortion clinics far exceeded the number of radical muslim attacked in this country

Lol.

So an abortion clinic getting egged is the same as the Boston Marathon?

Define attacked if I'm reading you wrong here please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

None of those acts listed are clinics that are getting "egged"

Seriously Thirty, weird post. Why did you relate the word terrorism to egging something?

Not weird at all Ms. Hypocrisy.

The abortion clinic 'attacks' are hardly comparable to the terrorist attacks we currently witness (like some are seeming to suggest).

If you say religion is a motivation for terrorism, then they're totally comparable.

I'm saying the degree of violence are incomparable.

Degree of violence? What's the difference between a bomb exploding in an abortion clinic as opposed to a dumpster on the street? I think you're missing my point. Which is there have been more attacks on US soil from radical Christians than radical islam. I didn't compare body counts. If that's what you're meaning.

Blowing up people is different than blowing up empty buildings.

Dontcha think?

So Christian terrorist have morals?

No,

But blowing up a building contrary to your beliefs is different than blowing up random people in the streets.

You obviously think they are the same. Too bad.

You obviously think that Muslim terrorists have no beliefs and no motive at all. How strange. You also seem to think that no one has been hurt or killed in abortion clinic attacks, which of course is far from the truth.

That's just stupid (sorry... but it's true).

I do think Muslim terrorists have beliefs and motives: their beliefs and motives include killing people who don't believe the same as them. The number of murders at the hands of Muslim terrorists in the last month (let alone decade) absolutely annihilates the 8-10 people (most of them accidentally blown up by being there when they shouldn't have been) killed at abortion clinic attacks in the past three decades.

You couldn't be any more apologetic.

Either way it's pretty scary. We should probably ban Christian immigrants until we can get this sorted out.

benjs

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

meddling there is what made the US public enemy #1.

To be honest, a complete retreat would be pretty unprecedented (in other words, untested), and also, time is perfectly plastic. To say that the US' meddling caused damage so the US' retreat would repair damage is definitely not true. The original acts of "intervention" were morally reprehensible in my opinion, but unfortunately there are now three morally reprehensible actions that the US can choose from: use the full force of military to attempt to restore stability, use a lesser (and potentially inadequate) force of military to attempt to restore stability, or retreat entirely from the situation (which is worse than had the US stayed out at all). I don't envy the people who have to make these tough decisions, but I also feel that the "violence and animosity beget violence and animosity" stance really needs to factored in, and there's a moral obligation to factor out self-serving interests such as relations for oil.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

The number of attacks on abortion clinics far exceeded the number of radical muslim attacked in this country

Lol.

So an abortion clinic getting egged is the same as the Boston Marathon?

Define attacked if I'm reading you wrong here please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

None of those acts listed are clinics that are getting "egged"

Seriously Thirty, weird post. Why did you relate the word terrorism to egging something?

Not weird at all Ms. Hypocrisy.

The abortion clinic 'attacks' are hardly comparable to the terrorist attacks we currently witness (like some are seeming to suggest).

If you say religion is a motivation for terrorism, then they're totally comparable.

I'm saying the degree of violence are incomparable.

Degree of violence? What's the difference between a bomb exploding in an abortion clinic as opposed to a dumpster on the street? I think you're missing my point. Which is there have been more attacks on US soil from radical Christians than radical islam. I didn't compare body counts. If that's what you're meaning.

Blowing up people is different than blowing up empty buildings.

Dontcha think?

So Christian terrorist have morals?

No,

But blowing up a building contrary to your beliefs is different than blowing up random people in the streets.

You obviously think they are the same. Too bad.

You obviously think that Muslim terrorists have no beliefs and no motive at all. How strange. You also seem to think that no one has been hurt or killed in abortion clinic attacks, which of course is far from the truth.

That's just stupid (sorry... but it's true).

I do think Muslim terrorists have beliefs and motives: their beliefs and motives include killing people who don't believe the same as them. The number of murders at the hands of Muslim terrorists in the last month (let alone decade) absolutely annihilates the 8-10 people (most of them accidentally blown up by being there when they shouldn't have been) killed at abortion clinic attacks in the past three decades.

You couldn't be any more apologetic.

I am not apologetic AT ALL, and have never said anything to suggest so. What do you think I said that makes me apologetic for terrorists??
I really think you are seriously misinterpreting things Thirty, or reading something that isn't there. Also maybe you don't know what being an apologist is? Or what this comparison is about? The number of people killed is irrelevant to the context of the conversation.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm not misinterpreting anything.

You're implying that 'Christian Terrorism' in the form of abortion clinic attacks is somehow congruent with Islamic terror.

It's not even close. And to do so suggests you are either aggressively painting Christians as bloodthirsty fanatics... or you're downplaying Islamic terrorism.

Remember I'm not religious and routinely mock religion of any sort. I'm not defending Christianity at all. I just don't think there is a legitimate comparison at all. It's not even close.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm not misinterpreting anything.

You're implying that 'Christian Terrorism' in the form of abortion clinic attacks is somehow congruent with Islamic terror.

It's not even close. And to do so suggests you are either aggressively painting Christians as bloodthirsty fanatics... or you're downplaying Islamic terrorism.

Remember I'm not religious and routinely mock religion of any sort. I'm not defending Christianity at all. I just don't think there is a legitimate comparison at all. It's not even close.

No I am not downplaying Islamic terrorism at all - you are doing that in your own head. Just making an unfounded assumption. I suggest you actually go back to the beginning of the conversation maybe and read it again. Remind yourself of the details for what we're talking about.
And that you have interpreted what I've said to mean that I couldn't be more apologetic for Muslim terrorists, then you need to rethink how you're reading what I say. It's an outrageous accusation.

pjhawks

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjhawks said:

lukin2006 said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

as soon as anybody joins the side of our enemies they are no longer Americans and should be treated as an enemy an to me that means no state or federally funded lawyers and no rights

You mean like North Korea? Because this is the type of shit they pull in authoritarian regimes like that. We are better that this.

I'm not so sure about that ... you've been meddling and waging war in the Middle East for how long? And why? because a bunch of dumb politicians. Maybe take the high road and get the fuck out of the Middle East, stop buying their oil and selling them weapons, give your tired and weary soldiers a rest from perpetual war ... don't just talk peace, actually promote it and become a peaceful nation that minds its own business and quit bullying the rest of the world to adapt to your version of a fake democracy...no your country is not better than that, most are brainwashed into believing your better than that.

wait you think if the US leaves the Mideast it would be peaceful there?

meddling there is what made the US public enemy #1.

but the comment wasn't about the US. it was about peace in the Mideast. If we leave you really think there would be peace? you really think Israel and Palestine are all of a sudden gonna be having cookouts and singing campfire songs together if we leave? puh-leeze

Degeneratefk

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm not misinterpreting anything.

You're implying that 'Christian Terrorism' in the form of abortion clinic attacks is somehow congruent with Islamic terror.

It's not even close. And to do so suggests you are either aggressively painting Christians as bloodthirsty fanatics... or you're downplaying Islamic terrorism.

Remember I'm not religious and routinely mock religion of any sort. I'm not defending Christianity at all. I just don't think there is a legitimate comparison at all. It's not even close.

Why do you put quotes around Christian terrorism? Are you saying it's not a radical form of Christianity or that it's somehow a less relevant form of terrorism because less people are killed? Or that it's site specific terrorism as opposed to random people being killed?