Something about teacher's pay...

Spiritual_Chaos

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

cincybearcat

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2019/06/12/do-teachers-work-long-hours/

This was a pretty interesting article 

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

ecdanc

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get this 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1 hour lunch(?)). 

But here is a beautiful 9-5:



https://youtu.be/rpt2lTAxNPk

cincybearcat

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

ecdanc

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

Do people imagine that lawyers or accountants--if they were only employed nine months of the year--could just go lawyer/accountant somewhere else during those other 3 months?  

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

ecdanc

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

Are you a salaried employee?

cincybearcat

But then again, no one cares about manufacturing anymore 

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

So you are saying Scandinavia does another thing correctly in other words?

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

So you are saying Scandinavia does another thing correctly in other words?

Certainly do some things better. But I would say that your statement assumes that work is not actually enjoyable for some people.

cincybearcat

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

Do people imagine that lawyers or accountants--if they were only employed nine months of the year--could just go lawyer/accountant somewhere else during those other 3 months?  

Probably not a good comparison because yes they could

but I’m not really sure the point. 

cincybearcat

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

Are you a salaried employee?

Yup

ecdanc

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

Are you a salaried employee?

Yup

K. Some rough math, based on your posts/numbers. I believe you make at least 100k/year, so I'll use that as my number. If you work 55 hours/week, you make roughly $35-38/hour (you'll note that I'm generously not counting any vacation time). The average teacher makes around $60,000. According to the article you posted, the average teacher works somewhere north of 1800 hours in a year, which means they make between $33 and $34/hour. 

So, a simple question: do you think you should make more--on a per-hour basis--than the average teacher?

ecdanc

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

Do people imagine that lawyers or accountants--if they were only employed nine months of the year--could just go lawyer/accountant somewhere else during those other 3 months?  

Probably not a good comparison because yes they could

but I’m not really sure the point. 

Really, you think a law firm would just be like, "sure, we'll hire you for 3 months, knowing you're going to quit at the end of that time"?

cincybearcat

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

I don't care about days. I care about hours. 

Like I've stated here before - in Sweden full time is 40 hours per week. My brother (teacher for 16-19 year olds - is that "high school" in the US maybe) works 45 hours per week to account for the extra time off because of summer/winter break.


And yes I have a job where I put in hours after 5 and on weekends etc (but we do get an extra week of paid vaccation for it, instead of overtime) - but most people still work 8-5 jobs (don't get 9-5 - that is 7 hours if you have 1hour lunch(?)). 

Then read the article. 

Hahahaha people work 8-5 with an hour lunch? Hahahahaha you sound like my grandma.

I would guess that I work 50-55 hours a week normally and my wife works closer to the 60-70 and for months straight it’ll be more like 80.

Are you a salaried employee?

Yup

K. Some rough math, based on your posts/numbers. You make somewhere around 100k (or plan to break that barrier soon). If you work 55 hours/week, you make roughly $35-38/hour (you'll note that I'm generously not counting any vacation time). The average teacher makes around $60,000. According to the article you posted, the average teacher works somewhere north of 1800 hours in a year, which means they make between $33 and $34/hour. 

So, a simple question: do you think you should make more--on a per-hour basis--than the average teacher?

Ummm yeah I do. But I’m also ok with teachers making more. 

Personally I feel supporting schools with funding so they have everything they need to do their jobs is the #1 priority. 

I’ve never said they were overpaid. Just that they are an interesting case. And like that article said, the value of the job should help determine that pay.

cincybearcat

But I’ll be fair, my wife deserves it more than me.

cincybearcat

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

Do people imagine that lawyers or accountants--if they were only employed nine months of the year--could just go lawyer/accountant somewhere else during those other 3 months?  

Probably not a good comparison because yes they could

but I’m not really sure the point. 

Really, you think a law firm would just be like, "sure, we'll hire you for 3 months, knowing you're going to quit at the end of that time"?

You don’t have to work for a law firm to work as a lawyer. I k ow someone on dialysis that works part time lawyer gigs that can fit into his new life and schedule.  My point was, I understand your point and just think you picked a terrible job as the example 

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So how many hours per week to teachers in the U S of A work? If people in here say they only work part time.

Well they start out working about 180 days vs roughly 230 for other jobs. But that is just the straight up work days and doesn’t include time put in on off days. Of course teachers aren’t the only ones putting in time outside of the normal 9-5 (which isn’t normal anymore ).

The article I posted tried to get closer to a real answer.

The article you posted indicates that teachers work about the same number of hours as other professions. Teachers make, on average, "19% less than similarly skilled and educated professionals." I believe teachers should be the highest paid amongst that group.....so you see the problem?

Yeah I k ow what the article said. It said same number of hours during the non-summer and about 1/2 of the time in the summer. 

So about 87-88% the average of other workers. 

Of course it kinda also depends on the value of the jobs. 

Do people imagine that lawyers or accountants--if they were only employed nine months of the year--could just go lawyer/accountant somewhere else during those other 3 months?  

Probably not a good comparison because yes they could

but I’m not really sure the point. 

Really, you think a law firm would just be like, "sure, we'll hire you for 3 months, knowing you're going to quit at the end of that time"?

You don’t have to work for a law firm to work as a lawyer. I k ow someone on dialysis that works part time lawyer gigs that can fit into his new life and schedule.  My point was, I understand your point and just think you picked a terrible job as the example 

Not that is has much to do with this theoretical fantasy -- but most often here you are not allowed to go work for competitors or sometimes even in the same field when employed. I would be surprised if that is not true also in the U S of A.