60 to Zero in Three Months Flat

rgambs

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

The more the right hates her the more I like her. She will be a great president.

Folks with this mentality or so snowed. There's nothing great about her she simply more of the same. Same lies, same corporate interests, same war mongering, same talk, same drone strikes, same screwing the people, same shady corrupt practices, same lipservice, Same big bank preferential treatment, same nothing really being done about the environment, same poor health benefits for veterans.

I'm not snowed. I'm on top of everything bro. Thanks for your "opinion" though.

You're clearly not a veteran, you're not a minority, you're not paid minimum-wage, you're fine with war and drone strikes, you're fine with bought and paid for elections. You are fine with big banks screwing the American people.

In all the examples you gave, Clinton is a far better choice than Trump.

I would wonder how any progress can think otherwise, but then I remember that you don't even think Trump is a real candidate. He's just a plant from crooked Clinton to ensure she wins. You have 3 old photographs as proof.

brianlux

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Free

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

Free

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

I guess I need to repeat myself that I'm voting third-party; I'm voting with my conscience and not out of fear.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

And many, many find that a depressing thought.

The fact remains, most will either vote irrationally or out of anger (Trump) or out of fear of Trump (Clinton) and we will continue down a path leading further and further from democracy. At some point maybe more of us will vote for whom we trust the most instead of voting out of anger or fear.

Phool

The sad thing is people make the comment of I am voting for Trump because I hate Clinton or I am voting for Clinton because I hate Trump...ultimately, no matter who was running people will vote party lines.

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

I guess I need to repeat myself that I'm voting third-party; I'm voting with my conscience and not out of fear.

Same here. I'm voting for the best candidate that supports my positions.

Free

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

I guess I need to repeat myself that I'm voting third-party; I'm voting with my conscience and not out of fear.

Same here. I'm voting for the best candidate that supports my positions.

Doesn't sound it.

Free

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

And many, many find that a depressing thought.

The fact remains, most will either vote irrationally or out of anger (Trump) or out of fear of Trump (Clinton) and we will continue down a path leading further and further from democracy. At some point maybe more of us will vote for whom we trust the most instead of voting out of anger or fear.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Free said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

And many, many find that a depressing thought.

The fact remains, most will either vote irrationally or out of anger (Trump) or out of fear of Trump (Clinton) and we will continue down a path leading further and further from democracy. At some point maybe more of us will vote for whom we trust the most instead of voting out of anger or fear.

Are you saying that people who vote stein now are irrational or angry/fear at Trump and Hillary?

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

I mean really, from two terms of a well spoken charismatic man like Barrack Obama to CLINTON VS TRUMP??? Are you kidding me??? Does this disturb anyone else here as much as it does me? I know, rhetorical question, obviously it does. But we keep going back and forth with THOSE TWO???

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I don't actually feel like Clinton is all that different from Obama in most ways. Charisma goes that far with you?

Gern Blansten

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

I guess I need to repeat myself that I'm voting third-party; I'm voting with my conscience and not out of fear.

Same here. I'm voting for the best candidate that supports my positions.

Doesn't sound it.

Gee...I don't remember discussing my positions with you.

As a Bernie bro I have a decent idea what your positions are. Given that Bernie himself endorses Clinton I think it might be you who is in the dark.

Free

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

There are some here who are truly excited about and supportive of either Trump or Clinton. I suppose I should be happy for you. It must be nice to feel good about your candidate. But those of you who do feel that way might want to consider that a HUGE number of people (I'm guessing the majority) are very, very disappointed in the choices we are faced with this year- possibly even more so than ever. That says a LOT about where we are as a country.

60 to near zero on the scale of hopefulness.

Regardless of disappointment we are still confronted with Clinton v Trump. Trump can't be an option.

Voting based on your fear.

Aren't you? You seem to be the one that is scared of Clinton.

I guess I need to repeat myself that I'm voting third-party; I'm voting with my conscience and not out of fear.

Same here. I'm voting for the best candidate that supports my positions.

Doesn't sound it.

Gee...I don't remember discussing my positions with you.

As a Bernie bro I have a decent idea what your positions are. Given that Bernie himself endorses Clinton I think it might be you who is in the dark.

You have discussed your position, you're an apologist.

And for your information all of us "Bernie Bros" as you prefer to call us, will not be voting Hillary.

jnimhaoileoin

Genuine question for those voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton. I assume you are largely Democrats, so surely you realise that in voting against the Democratic candidate, you are helping the Republicans? Whatever you think of Clinton, I really would have thought the most important thing is to stop Trump winning.

I would have thought the warm glow of self-satisfaction and integrity would be rather painfully ripped away from you were Trump to win as a result of all those Democrats voting against Clinton

Just a view from the outside...

PJfanwillneverleave1

jnimhaoileoin said:

Genuine question for those voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton. I assume you are largely Democrats, so surely you realise that in voting against the Democratic candidate, you are helping the Republicans? Whatever you think of Clinton, I really would have thought the most important thing is to stop Trump winning.

I would have thought the warm glow of self-satisfaction and integrity would be rather painfully ripped away from you were Trump to win as a result of all those Democrats voting against Clinton

Just a view from the outside...

Won't work.
They're all blinded by that vote your conscience thingy and stuff.
They don't know which way is up unless someone points.
Let alone choosing their vote all by their lonesome.

PJ_Soul

jnimhaoileoin said:

Genuine question for those voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton. I assume you are largely Democrats, so surely you realise that in voting against the Democratic candidate, you are helping the Republicans? Whatever you think of Clinton, I really would have thought the most important thing is to stop Trump winning.

I would have thought the warm glow of self-satisfaction and integrity would be rather painfully ripped away from you were Trump to win as a result of all those Democrats voting against Clinton

Just a view from the outside...

I'm with you. Your second to last sentence sums it up perfectly.

Free

jnimhaoileoin said:

Genuine question for those voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton. I assume you are largely Democrats, so surely you realise that in voting against the Democratic candidate, you are helping the Republicans? Whatever you think of Clinton, I really would have thought the most important thing is to stop Trump winning.

I would have thought the warm glow of self-satisfaction and integrity would be rather painfully ripped away from you were Trump to win as a result of all those Democrats voting against Clinton

Just a view from the outside...

Believe it or not, The number of people registered as 3rd party, is a lot larger than you think. I am not a Dem.

And voting out of fear and as the lesser of two evils, that's not happening for me anymore. We have great people on the third parties, and I plan to vote for one of them. Bernie Sanders has opened up a giant can of worms here in the states, many of us are not going to backtrack.

PJ_Soul

I'm not buying your fear mantra. But it does remind me that most Americans are HIGHLY emotional about this election. Unusually so. That is not a good thing.