BLM a terrorist organization??

my2hands

Go Beavers said:

my2hands said:

saw a bumper sticker on sunday that said "Danger: Educated Black Woman"

so my gf points out that if she had a bumper sticker that said "Danger: Educated White Woman" the shit would hit the fan... she is far from racist... and she is 100% correct...

i understand the historical context and one time need for things like BET or affirmative rights, but it is time to get rid of the double standard... black people do not need special treatment or their hand held... you should get the job or into the university because you are qualified, not because of a quota... we will never make true long term progress until then

There's probably another term for your gf not understanding the difference between the two bumper stickers. It's understandable that people, mostly whites, want to minimize racism as it exists today and blame racial tension on steps taken to create more equality.

I would argue that once a black Harvard graduate named Barack Hussein Obama was elected president, twice, that equality has been generally reached and there is no need for special treatment... at this point the public is more than willing to elect and support black people to be the leaders of the free world... secretary of state... attorney general... supreme court justice... etc... etc... etc...

this isn't 1960 anymore, feel free to lay down your white guilt folks... you are not the evil scourge of the world that some like to paint you as... teach peace, teach tolerance, but please stop teaching that we are different and need different treatment... that's not helping anybody

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

dignin said:

Maybe some of you should head over to their web page to figure out who they are and what they are about before commenting.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

just popped onto the site with the link you provided... below is the first line of their statement, and frankly its pure sensationalized bullshit... I didn't feel a need to read further

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise."

Just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it untrue.

Systematically and intentionally targeted?

No.

The orphaned street kids and homeless in Columbia... yes.

So, your interpretation of the data is that unarmed black men being 7 times more likely to be shot than unarmed white men is random and unintentional? For that analysis to be true, it would require the mother of all statistical anomalies.

No.

My interpretation of that data is that there are several factors at play other than a succinctly framed or secretly designed mandate to 'systematically and intentionally' target black people.

Systematic? Intentionally? Come on, man.

So it's all just coincidence that black people receive demonstrably unfair treatment at every level of the justice system?
Come on, man.

Are you suggesting cops ignore white people committing crimes?

Do you think there is the same level of criminal activity in white suburbia as there is in inner city, impoverished neighbourhoods populated mostly by black people?

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that blaming the police at the point of the problem is short sighted.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

dignin said:

Maybe some of you should head over to their web page to figure out who they are and what they are about before commenting.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

just popped onto the site with the link you provided... below is the first line of their statement, and frankly its pure sensationalized bullshit... I didn't feel a need to read further

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise."

Just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it untrue.

Systematically and intentionally targeted?

No.

The orphaned street kids and homeless in Columbia... yes.

So, your interpretation of the data is that unarmed black men being 7 times more likely to be shot than unarmed white men is random and unintentional? For that analysis to be true, it would require the mother of all statistical anomalies.

No.

My interpretation of that data is that there are several factors at play other than a succinctly framed or secretly designed mandate to 'systematically and intentionally' target black people.

Systematic? Intentionally? Come on, man.

So it's all just coincidence that black people receive demonstrably unfair treatment at every level of the justice system?
Come on, man.

Are you suggesting cops ignore white people committing crimes?

Do you think there is the same level of criminal activity in white suburbia as there is in inner city, impoverished neighbourhoods populated mostly by black people?

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that blaming the police at the point of the problem is short sighted.

It's been demonstrated over and over that they do!

eddiec

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

dignin said:

Maybe some of you should head over to their web page to figure out who they are and what they are about before commenting.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

just popped onto the site with the link you provided... below is the first line of their statement, and frankly its pure sensationalized bullshit... I didn't feel a need to read further

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise."

Just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it untrue.

Systematically and intentionally targeted?

No.

The orphaned street kids and homeless in Columbia... yes.

So, your interpretation of the data is that unarmed black men being 7 times more likely to be shot than unarmed white men is random and unintentional? For that analysis to be true, it would require the mother of all statistical anomalies.

No.

My interpretation of that data is that there are several factors at play other than a succinctly framed or secretly designed mandate to 'systematically and intentionally' target black people.

Systematic? Intentionally? Come on, man.

So it's all just coincidence that black people receive demonstrably unfair treatment at every level of the justice system?
Come on, man.

Are you suggesting cops ignore white people committing crimes?

Do you think there is the same level of criminal activity in white suburbia as there is in inner city, impoverished neighbourhoods populated mostly by black people?

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that blaming the police at the point of the problem is short sighted.

There is definitely a different set of rules though. I know if I get caught with a big bag of weed that I'm not going to go to jail.

The kid in the ghetto with the same bag? Yeah, he's going to jail.

rgambs

my2hands said:

Go Beavers said:

my2hands said:

saw a bumper sticker on sunday that said "Danger: Educated Black Woman"

so my gf points out that if she had a bumper sticker that said "Danger: Educated White Woman" the shit would hit the fan... she is far from racist... and she is 100% correct...

i understand the historical context and one time need for things like BET or affirmative rights, but it is time to get rid of the double standard... black people do not need special treatment or their hand held... you should get the job or into the university because you are qualified, not because of a quota... we will never make true long term progress until then

There's probably another term for your gf not understanding the difference between the two bumper stickers. It's understandable that people, mostly whites, want to minimize racism as it exists today and blame racial tension on steps taken to create more equality.

I would argue that once a black Harvard graduate named Barack Hussein Obama was elected president, twice, that equality has been generally reached and there is no need for special treatment... at this point the public is more than willing to elect and support black people to be the leaders of the free world... secretary of state... attorney general... supreme court justice... etc... etc... etc...

this isn't 1960 anymore, feel free to lay down your white guilt folks... you are not the evil scourge of the world that some like to paint you as... teach peace, teach tolerance, but please stop teaching that we are different and need different treatment... that's not helping anybody

You clearly do not know any black people on a personal level or you would not hold that opinion.
The treatment they receive still.to this day would probably shock you if you were exposed to it in real life, and not just through the internet.

Lifted

my2hands said:

Lifted said:

And yes, whether you agree with the tactics of the BLM movement or not, responding with all lives matter is racist, or at the very least, a very ignorant thing to say.

please tell me how #AllLivesMatter is racist my friend?

Maybe not technically racist on it's own, but just about every racist I've heard speaking on BLM has used that line, and I don't think it's coincidental. It's an extremely condescending and dismissive thing to say. It's a suggestion that the American experience is equal across racial lines, which is factually untrue, and especially insulting when suggested by white people.

I think it's one thing to not support BLM as an organization, and there are a number of reasonable reasons someone might feel that way...but saying all lives matter, and blue lives matter is some passive aggressive bullshit and you know it.

rgambs

Shawshank said:

rgambs said:

First of all, congratulations for parroting another pile of Limbaugh feces! Did you think about this before you posted it? I sure hope not.

Second of all, it makes little sense.
Do you really think the organization required to end gang related violence is as easy as the organization required in telling people, "meet here for a protest"?? Surely you don't, you're not a moron.
Who would they be seeking redress from with their organizational efforts? The gangs? The thousands of different individuals, operating under no real connection, that are responsible for perpetrating the crimes?

The only insult to me is that you actually thought I was influenced by Limbaugh. I work managing a couple of companies and don't have time to listen to the squawk boxes all day. I'm sure it's easier for some to keep up with them.

And yes, it is just as easy for a group this huge to organize a protest against gang violence...IF they truly want to make a change. Please explain what the difference would be saying, "we are tired of over 2,000 black lives being taken due to violence, and we are going to be taking a stand here at 7pm Friday"

The problem is the turnout would not be as high and the voices would not be as loud and that proves a fundemental problem within the community itself as I mentioned in another post.

Don't get me wrong...there are police problems...big time...and that's an understatement...but it should not be the sole focus and the only reason the BLM mobilizes.

Until they want to make a stand, against the violence in their own communities, then they devalue their message. Nothing will change and lives will continue to be lost. But let's shift the focus away from the internal strife, which is far and away the biggest problem and focus all of our energy on cops as though they are on a mission to exterminate the black race.

The difference? You can't see the difference between the people protesting the government for redress and the people protesting themselves for redress?
Who is the target of that protest? Who among that target is capable of making changes to the status quo?

Seriously, it's like crazy town around here, nobody understands the fundamentals of protest at all.
You can protest the government, or even a private entity (such as Target) for something, say traditional marriage, but you can't protest gay people to not be gay. Without a target in power that can actually do something a protest is just a stupid rant.

Now, could BLM organize community clean-ups, neighborhood watches, anti-gang initiatives, and so on? Yes, of course they could and should, but let's not be so daft as to think that is as simple as organizing a protest march.
Also, I would like to note that there is a very robust community of people doing exactly that, bit of course they receive only derision for their efforts from our fine police officers like muskydan.

EM194007

eddiec said:

There is definitely a different set of rules though. I know if I get caught with a big bag of weed that I'm not going to go to jail.

The kid in the ghetto with the same bag? Yeah, he's going to jail.

That's just a ignorant BS statement. I've known many people that are white that have spent time in jail for weed. They didn't get a break because they were white.

eddiec

EM194007 said:

eddiec said:

There is definitely a different set of rules though. I know if I get caught with a big bag of weed that I'm not going to go to jail.

The kid in the ghetto with the same bag? Yeah, he's going to jail.

That's just a ignorant BS statement. I've known many people that are white that have spent time in jail for weed. They didn't get a break because they were white.

Ah, come on. You really think it's the same set of rules. Some kid in the ghetto vs, some white kid in suburbia. There are many factors in play- Ability to hire lawyers, character witnesses, etc.

Lifted

EM194007 said:

eddiec said:

There is definitely a different set of rules though. I know if I get caught with a big bag of weed that I'm not going to go to jail.

The kid in the ghetto with the same bag? Yeah, he's going to jail.

That's just a ignorant BS statement. I've known many people that are white that have spent time in jail for weed. They didn't get a break because they were white.

Not B.S. It's statistically accurate.

my2hands

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Go Beavers said:

my2hands said:

saw a bumper sticker on sunday that said "Danger: Educated Black Woman"

so my gf points out that if she had a bumper sticker that said "Danger: Educated White Woman" the shit would hit the fan... she is far from racist... and she is 100% correct...

i understand the historical context and one time need for things like BET or affirmative rights, but it is time to get rid of the double standard... black people do not need special treatment or their hand held... you should get the job or into the university because you are qualified, not because of a quota... we will never make true long term progress until then

There's probably another term for your gf not understanding the difference between the two bumper stickers. It's understandable that people, mostly whites, want to minimize racism as it exists today and blame racial tension on steps taken to create more equality.

I would argue that once a black Harvard graduate named Barack Hussein Obama was elected president, twice, that equality has been generally reached and there is no need for special treatment... at this point the public is more than willing to elect and support black people to be the leaders of the free world... secretary of state... attorney general... supreme court justice... etc... etc... etc...

this isn't 1960 anymore, feel free to lay down your white guilt folks... you are not the evil scourge of the world that some like to paint you as... teach peace, teach tolerance, but please stop teaching that we are different and need different treatment... that's not helping anybody

You clearly do not know any black people on a personal level or you would not hold that opinion.
The treatment they receive still.to this day would probably shock you if you were exposed to it in real life, and not just through the internet.

Actually I happen to know black people, imagine that... I work with black people... I'm friends with black people... and guess what, they mostly agree with me... my career has had me closer to the front lines of this issue than you might think... in the inner city... working with at-risk adolescents... my office is currently in Wilmington Delaware, you know that little east coast city Newsweek dubbed "Murdertown USA" last year... i've had 3 people shot in the last month directly across the street from my building... i've worked with the criminal justice system for almost 15 years... i know people that have committed murder, I know people that have been killed... I know police, black & white... I know other law enforcement officers of various degrees, one of which I love dearly... I know lawyers, black & white...I know judges, black & white...

So I think im plenty qualified to have this conversation and form my own opinion

What's your experience on this subject, googling and posting on a message board?

rgambs

my2hands said:

rgambs said:

my2hands said:

Go Beavers said:

my2hands said:

saw a bumper sticker on sunday that said "Danger: Educated Black Woman"

so my gf points out that if she had a bumper sticker that said "Danger: Educated White Woman" the shit would hit the fan... she is far from racist... and she is 100% correct...

i understand the historical context and one time need for things like BET or affirmative rights, but it is time to get rid of the double standard... black people do not need special treatment or their hand held... you should get the job or into the university because you are qualified, not because of a quota... we will never make true long term progress until then

There's probably another term for your gf not understanding the difference between the two bumper stickers. It's understandable that people, mostly whites, want to minimize racism as it exists today and blame racial tension on steps taken to create more equality.

I would argue that once a black Harvard graduate named Barack Hussein Obama was elected president, twice, that equality has been generally reached and there is no need for special treatment... at this point the public is more than willing to elect and support black people to be the leaders of the free world... secretary of state... attorney general... supreme court justice... etc... etc... etc...

this isn't 1960 anymore, feel free to lay down your white guilt folks... you are not the evil scourge of the world that some like to paint you as... teach peace, teach tolerance, but please stop teaching that we are different and need different treatment... that's not helping anybody

You clearly do not know any black people on a personal level or you would not hold that opinion.
The treatment they receive still.to this day would probably shock you if you were exposed to it in real life, and not just through the internet.

Actually I happen to know black people, imagine that... I work with black people... I'm friends with black people... and guess what, they mostly agree with me... my career has had me closer to the front lines of this issue than you might think... in the inner city... working with at-risk adolescents... my office is currently in Wilmington Delaware, you know that little east coast city Newsweek dubbed "Murdertown USA" last year... i've had 3 people shot in the last month directly across the street from my building... i've worked with the criminal justice system for almost 15 years... i know people that have committed murder, I know people that have been killed... I know police, black & white... I know other law enforcement officers of various degrees, one of which I love dearly... I know lawyers, black & white...I know judges, black & white...

So I think im plenty qualified to have this conversation and form my own opinion

What's your experience on this subject, googling and posting on a message board?

I dont know what to say, I guess you live in an alternate universe.
My buddy James could barely drive across town without getting pulled over, and he never ever offered to drive when our crew was out, for good reason. That was among the least of his troubles, but I guess since we have a black president none of that matters at all.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Lifted said:

my2hands said:

Lifted said:

And yes, whether you agree with the tactics of the BLM movement or not, responding with all lives matter is racist, or at the very least, a very ignorant thing to say.

please tell me how #AllLivesMatter is racist my friend?

Maybe not technically racist on it's own, but just about every racist I've heard speaking on BLM has used that line, and I don't think it's coincidental. It's an extremely condescending and dismissive thing to say. It's a suggestion that the American experience is equal across racial lines, which is factually untrue, and especially insulting when suggested by white people.

I think it's one thing to not support BLM as an organization, and there are a number of reasonable reasons someone might feel that way...but saying all lives matter, and blue lives matter is some passive aggressive bullshit and you know it.

No. Shoving it on other coloured faces as truth is passive aggressive.
BLM has a passive agressive racist title.

Any other colour movement would not be given a free pass to march around the streets and you know it.

my2hands

Cool, you had a buddy names James... lol

I'm outta here

rgambs

my2hands said:

Cool, you had a buddy names James... lol

I'm outta here

Yep, and he was treated like the POTUS so all is cool, equality is reached and the struggle is over just like you said.

EM194007

eddiec said:

Ah, come on. You really think it's the same set of rules. Some kid in the ghetto vs, some white kid in suburbia. There are many factors in play- Ability to hire lawyers, character witnesses, etc.

White or black and not wealthy enough to have money for a good attorney, your going to get the same sentence/treatment from the judge here in FL.

I've seen blacks skate charges because they have the money for a good attorney on charges where whites didn't have the money for a good attorney and went to prison.

So, yes, IMO, it's BS.

EM194007

Lifted said:

Not B.S. It's statistically accurate.

Don't tell that to the retired judge that lives three doors down from me. He didn't give a shit what color or who you were. Everyone got the same treatment. His nickname was the "hanging" judge. You didn't want him being the judge hearing your case. I was in his court room back in the early 90's with a friend. Every person there who violated probation got the same thing, one year in house arrest, including my friend.

Lifted

EM194007 said:

Lifted said:

Not B.S. It's statistically accurate.

Don't tell that to the retired judge that lives three doors down from me. He didn't give a shit what color or who you were. Everyone got the same treatment. His nickname was the "hanging" judge. You didn't want him being the judge hearing your case. I was in his court room back in the early 90's with a friend. Every person there who violated probation got the same thing, one year in house arrest, including my friend.

Cool story. Anecdotal evidence.

eddiec

EM194007 said:

eddiec said:

Ah, come on. You really think it's the same set of rules. Some kid in the ghetto vs, some white kid in suburbia. There are many factors in play- Ability to hire lawyers, character witnesses, etc.

White or black and not wealthy enough to have money for a good attorney, your going to get the same sentence/treatment from the judge here in FL.

I've seen blacks skate charges because they have the money for a good attorney on charges where whites didn't have the money for a good attorney and went to prison.

So, yes, IMO, it's BS.

Okay. Well here's an article from the Washington Post which negates your opinion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/
It highlights the arrest rates of blacks vs whites.

EM194007

Lifted said:

Cool story. Anecdotal evidence.

Please disprove what I said with statistics from FL, or it's just more BS.