Muslim Man Arrested In Cleveland For What He Was Wearing...

mickeyrat

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Nice post.
Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.

huh. so we ARENT supposed to be better than that. guess we need to revamp the brochures.

brianlux

It's ridiculous that people get labeled or criticized or (obviously in this thread's situation) worse because of what they wear. And there's nothing new about that. For example, in 1971 I went to Rome, traveling afar alone for the first time. Just by coincidence, the same week I went to Rome that city was hosting a communist convention. It during a cool weather time of year so I wore my usual cool weather garb- my Pop's Navy peacoat, flared Levi's, blue cotton workman's shirt and hair well down below my shoulders. Several Roman citizens assumed that I was an American communist and because of that I was variously spit on, sneered at, nearly run over, hustled and had garbage thrown at me from a second story window. All I was doing was wandering around looking for a record store.

eddiec

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

tempo_n_groove

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia have made leaps and bounds at becoming better nations with equality. It may not seem like it but they have.
Dubai was a safe place for me to visit. I didn't worry about much.

jnimhaoileoin

PJ_Soul said:

I don't respect many of the religious practices either. I don't respect a LOT of thing about all kinds of religions, Islam included. However, I do respect their right to believe what they want to believe as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights of others... which is not actually always the case to say the least. Respecting their right to believe something isn't the same as respecting the belief/religion. I will never ever respect organized religion. and especially not parts of them that serve to oppress women.
I also respect people's right to not be subjected to and harmed by racism, ignorance, hysteria, and stupidity.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

what dreams

mickeyrat said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Nice post.
Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.

huh. so we ARENT supposed to be better than that. guess we need to revamp the brochures.

We ARE better than that. After being questioned and searched, the man was released. The police department apologized, the hotel is investigating its employee and implementing diversity training, and yesterday I read in another headline that the US even apologized to the UAE. So, yes, we are better than that, and it is very foolish to think otherwise.

what dreams

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

The man "wasn't held responsible for millions of deaths caused by (his) government," so yes, I do believe it's ignorant of you to ask that ridiculous question. The man was proven innocent with a search and questioning and then released. If he had been detained indefinitely, refused counsel and a trial, thrown in a deplorable jail cell and then flogged publicly, you might have a point. But you don't.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Thirty Bills Unpaid

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

But he was NOT overheard speaking about ISIS. I have a BIG problem with the fact that some fucking idiot simply sees someone wearing middle-eastern clothing and that person is then tackled to the ground and held against his will. This is completely fucked up to me. If there had been any suspicious behaviour, that's one thing, but there wasn't. None at all. People who make calls like this are really stupid racist assholes as far as I'm concerned.

PJfan, why are you "glad" this happened?? Unless you think it might raise awareness about how someone just looking middle eastern isn't a good reason to call the cops, I don't see how any decent person could be glad this happened.

I just started reading all the funny posts, this is great ! (Tony the tiger impression)

Godfather.

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Eh but we're not actually talking about a terrorist here, just some innocent Muslim who was wrongly harassed simply for being Muslim and speaking his language. So the point is that while terrorists may tar all Westerners with the same brush, legitimate governments and their representatives should not be found guilty of stereotyping all Muslims and persecuting them accordingly.

Hope that makes more sense

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Come to think of it... I can recall a thread either here or in the Warehouse where people spoke to the relative hostility US citizens travelling abroad faced given their country's foreign policies and how Canadians were generally much more well received (it was important to identify as one).

Further to those said comments... many replied with the 'Can you blame them?' comments (defending the perceived hostility and painting all Americans as ruthless war mongers).

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Come to think of it... I can recall a thread either here or in the Warehouse where people spoke to the relative hostility US citizens travelling abroad faced given their country's foreign policies and how Canadians were generally much more well received (it was important to identify as one).

Further to those said comments... many replied with the 'Can you blame them?' comments (defending the perceived hostility and painting all Americans as ruthless war mongers).

There's still a difference between hostility and perceived unfriendliness and actually calling the police to report someone as a suspected terrorist. I don't imagine any American tourist has ever found themselves the victim of such an incident

Thirty Bills Unpaid

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Eh but we're not actually talking about a terrorist here, just some innocent Muslim who was wrongly harassed simply for being Muslim and speaking his language. So the point is that while terrorists may tar all Westerners with the same brush, legitimate governments and their representatives should not be found guilty of stereotyping all Muslims and persecuting them accordingly.

Hope that makes more sense

It does, but I disagree. Being a legitimate government doesn't necessarily place you above a terrorist group.

Further, in this case, a legitimate government never harassed and persecuted an innocent Muslim man. A legitimate government investigated a concern and found nothing to be concerned about.

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Eh but we're not actually talking about a terrorist here, just some innocent Muslim who was wrongly harassed simply for being Muslim and speaking his language. So the point is that while terrorists may tar all Westerners with the same brush, legitimate governments and their representatives should not be found guilty of stereotyping all Muslims and persecuting them accordingly.

Hope that makes more sense

It does, but I disagree. Being a legitimate government doesn't necessarily place you above a terrorist group.

Further, in this case, a legitimate government never harassed and persecuted an innocent Muslim man. A legitimate government investigated a concern and found nothing to be concerned about.

Well I agree that it wasn't really the fault of the police here at all, more the ignorance of a citizen, on whose concerns they were obliged to act. So we have strayed off the point of the original post somewhat

Thirty Bills Unpaid

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Eh but we're not actually talking about a terrorist here, just some innocent Muslim who was wrongly harassed simply for being Muslim and speaking his language. So the point is that while terrorists may tar all Westerners with the same brush, legitimate governments and their representatives should not be found guilty of stereotyping all Muslims and persecuting them accordingly.

Hope that makes more sense

It does, but I disagree. Being a legitimate government doesn't necessarily place you above a terrorist group.

Further, in this case, a legitimate government never harassed and persecuted an innocent Muslim man. A legitimate government investigated a concern and found nothing to be concerned about.

Well I agree that it wasn't really the fault of the police here at all, more the ignorance of a citizen, on whose concerns they were obliged to act. So we have strayed off the point of the original post somewhat

Like all good conversations do, my friend.

Have a good day.

what dreams

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

And TRUE . . . the legitimate American government did not punish this UAE citizen for the human rights violations of his government. In fact, this man was afforded the same legal protections all Americans are when accused. The person making the false accusation is now being investigated and may be charged with a crime herself.
Those of you wanting to make more of this, please do some reading about what goes on in the UAE and then try to tell me again with a serious face that this man's human rights were seriously violated:
This is what happens when you are raped:
clarionproject.org/news/united-arab-emirates-arrests-woman-after-she-reports-rape#
This is what happens when you get harassed while waiting for a cab:
businessinsider.com/ap-us-woman-faces-insult-charge-in-united-arab-emirates-2016-4
This is what happens when you rant about your boss on Facebook:
cnn.com/2015/03/05/middleeast/american-arrested-in-uae/index.html
This is what happens when you make a lemon poppy seed muffin:
thenational.ae/uae/courts/father-and-sons-must-see-out-jail-term-for-selling-poppy-seeds-dubai-court-rules
This is what happens to migrant workers who make the princes' wealth possible:
https://hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/united-arab-emirates
I don't recall any apologies coming from the UAE when they arrested all these people. Maybe they did, but for some reason we don't report on them here in America because apparently every culture around the world is awesome except for our own. We are so lucky here in America to come on a rock band's website and bash our country all day long without threat of arrest. Too bad that when this guy returns home after paying cash for the best health care in the world (I assume he doesn't have Obamacare), he will not be afforded the same rights of self-expression. His false accuser, I imagine a high school grad who probably got paid $8 an hour with no health insurance offered, will likely be out of a job and face a hefty fine, possibly jail time, and is now splashed across our free media as an ignorant racist who let her unfounded fears ruin this man's life (which really isn't ruined). Ah, the irony that could only exist in America.

jnimhaoileoin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

Ultimately, does it matter?

You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.

Eh but we're not actually talking about a terrorist here, just some innocent Muslim who was wrongly harassed simply for being Muslim and speaking his language. So the point is that while terrorists may tar all Westerners with the same brush, legitimate governments and their representatives should not be found guilty of stereotyping all Muslims and persecuting them accordingly.

Hope that makes more sense

It does, but I disagree. Being a legitimate government doesn't necessarily place you above a terrorist group.

Further, in this case, a legitimate government never harassed and persecuted an innocent Muslim man. A legitimate government investigated a concern and found nothing to be concerned about.

Well I agree that it wasn't really the fault of the police here at all, more the ignorance of a citizen, on whose concerns they were obliged to act. So we have strayed off the point of the original post somewhat

Like all good conversations do, my friend.

Have a good day.

True, often leads to even more interesting discussions too

HughFreakingDillon

what dreams said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

what dreams said:

Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place.
genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates
I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.

Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?

You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.

True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate

And TRUE . . . the legitimate American government did not punish this UAE citizen for the human rights violations of his government. In fact, this man was afforded the same legal protections all Americans are when accused. The person making the false accusation is now being investigated and may be charged with a crime herself.
Those of you wanting to make more of this, please do some reading about what goes on in the UAE and then try to tell me again with a serious face that this man's human rights were seriously violated:
This is what happens when you are raped:
clarionproject.org/news/united-arab-emirates-arrests-woman-after-she-reports-rape#
This is what happens when you get harassed while waiting for a cab:
businessinsider.com/ap-us-woman-faces-insult-charge-in-united-arab-emirates-2016-4
This is what happens when you rant about your boss on Facebook:
cnn.com/2015/03/05/middleeast/american-arrested-in-uae/index.html
This is what happens when you make a lemon poppy seed muffin:
thenational.ae/uae/courts/father-and-sons-must-see-out-jail-term-for-selling-poppy-seeds-dubai-court-rules
This is what happens to migrant workers who make the princes' wealth possible:
https://hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/united-arab-emirates
I don't recall any apologies coming from the UAE when they arrested all these people. Maybe they did, but for some reason we don't report on them here in America because apparently every culture around the world is awesome except for our own. We are so lucky here in America to come on a rock band's website and bash our country all day long without threat of arrest. Too bad that when this guy returns home after paying cash for the best health care in the world (I assume he doesn't have Obamacare), he will not be afforded the same rights of self-expression. His false accuser, I imagine a high school grad who probably got paid $8 an hour with no health insurance offered, will likely be out of a job and face a hefty fine, possibly jail time, and is now splashed across our free media as an ignorant racist who let her unfounded fears ruin this man's life (which really isn't ruined). Ah, the irony that could only exist in America.

so we should act depending on how another country treats its citizens? that's preposterous. just because his home country sucks at justice, doesn't mean what he was put through should be diminished.