i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.
does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?
apparently we fear what we don't understand.
Exactly A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying glory be to god A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal yo a christian saying thank you lord
So much damn fear, hate, and ignorance in this world.
with so much ignorance in our society and in our world sometimes i am ashamed to be a human being.
Melodramatic.
I'd be more ashamed after reading of mass murder than I would be hearing of some guy detained a bit for acting suspiciously- even though he wasn't from what we have read. There's much greater ignorance out there that doesn't draw as much more ire from many here.
People on this board and elsewhere were questioning why neighbours of that twat in California that shot up his work place in the name of Allah hadn't reported his suspiciousness.
A person simply cannot win under the circumstances we have. It's probably best to say nothing and accept mass murder as it happens lest you be called an intolerant fool.
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
seems like the only people who can win are the paranoid, stupid, white, christian, men.
I wonder if you inserted a different race in your rant you would be called a racist?
There are stupid, paranoid, Christian black men out there too. That doesn't make me racist.
True but if you said
"seems like the only people who can win are the paranoid, stupid, (Insert race here), christian, men.
Insert a different race in that exact sentence. Can you? If not why? Could you say that at work?
what are you on about?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
It's also the favorite thing they say out loud when they are about to kill thousands w/ a airplane or dozens when they blow themselves up in the middle of a town square,hotel, restaurant, train, movie theater, church, whatever and wherever.....Nothing to see here
So I'm guessing in Chicago you get lots of 911 calls about people saying "Allahu akbar"? Sounds like it's a priority to respond to them. If the same bimbo hotel clerk called 911 and said there was a guy in Klan robes talking on the phone about buying some charcoal, would you rush right over to detain him?
Don't waste your time with Supercop from Chicago , he has worked every parade held on Chicago for the last 50 yrs if he says they blurt that out loud it must be true ...
50yrs of parades is a lot of observations to draw from and share.
I am glad that this happened. ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes. If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge. He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.
So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on. So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.
I'd feel more safe with him than Osama Bin Trump but let's not let facts get in the way of racism and xenophobia.
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
Exactly. Imagine white folks having the police called on them and tackled, having their lives put in danger, & arrested every time someone heard them say "Thank God!"
well if you said God is great in the middle of a Muslim state it wouldn't go over too well.
and if I heard someone dressed in that manner and saying that i would report it absolutely. as a US citizen i have the right to report what i think might be suspicious activity. It is them up to the authorities to decipher if the supposed activity should be investigated and/or is criminal. that is all that happened in this case. as i stated above the man was NOT arrested despite the headline and reports.
This is unspeakably depressing, this is what your country has come to. Is this what being American means to you now?
umm so if i see something i think might be suspicious i shouldn't report it? sorry but i'd rather take 2 minutes out of my time and report something and let the authorities determine if it is suspicious or criminal.
and it's not like this is an everyday occurrence to me. in 48 years here i've never come across someone dressed like that and saying those words.
EDIT: and let me repeat again - the man was NOT ARRESTED, only questioned. nothing wrong with happened in this case. move along.
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
Exactly. Imagine white folks having the police called on them and tackled, having their lives put in danger, & arrested every time someone heard them say "Thank God!"
well if you said God is great in the middle of a Muslim state it wouldn't go over too well.
and if I heard someone dressed in that manner and saying that i would report it absolutely. as a US citizen i have the right to report what i think might be suspicious activity. It is them up to the authorities to decipher if the supposed activity should be investigated and/or is criminal. that is all that happened in this case. as i stated above the man was NOT arrested despite the headline and reports.
This is unspeakably depressing, this is what your country has come to. Is this what being American means to you now?
umm so if i see something i think might be suspicious i shouldn't report it? sorry but i'd rather take 2 minutes out of my time and report something and let the authorities determine if it is suspicious or criminal.
and it's not like this is an everyday occurrence to me. in 48 years here i've never come across someone dressed like that and saying those words.
EDIT: and let me repeat again - the man was NOT ARRESTED, only questioned. nothing wrong with happened in this case. move along.
But the fact is that you think someone dressing in a style traditional to Muslim customs and speaking words in praise of their god as Christians do every day, is suspicious activity. So essentially you think being a Muslim is suspicious in itself
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
The United Arab Emirates issued a travel warning to its citizens as a result of the incident. That's the international news story.
The travel advisory was a suggestion that UAE citizens wear western dress when traveling to the US or Europe. "When in Rome . . . " seems like a logical travel advisory to me. If I traveled to the UAE, I would be expected to wear long skirts and cover my head, and out of concern for my safety, I would do so. I see nothing wrong with asking people to assimilate when traveling here.
'When Reshma Begum was discovered alive 17 days after the 2013 Savar building collapse in Bangladesh which killed 1129 people, crowds jubilantly cried Allahu Akbar to express their joy and gratitude that she had survived'
Jaysus terrible suspicious altogether, sure they must all have been closet terrorists!
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
The United Arab Emirates issued a travel warning to its citizens as a result of the incident. That's the international news story.
The travel advisory was a suggestion that UAE citizens wear western dress when traveling to the US or Europe. "When in Rome . . . " seems like a logical travel advisory to me. If I traveled to the UAE, I would be expected to wear long skirts and cover my head, and out of concern for my safety, I would do so. I see nothing wrong with asking people to assimilate when traveling here.
Because for you to cover up would not be a betrayal of your religious beliefs, merely a respectful recognition of theirs. On the other hand, for them to adopt Western dress is denying them the right to practice their religion and express their beliefs
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
Exactly. Imagine white folks having the police called on them and tackled, having their lives put in danger, & arrested every time someone heard them say "Thank God!"
well if you said God is great in the middle of a Muslim state it wouldn't go over too well.
and if I heard someone dressed in that manner and saying that i would report it absolutely. as a US citizen i have the right to report what i think might be suspicious activity. It is them up to the authorities to decipher if the supposed activity should be investigated and/or is criminal. that is all that happened in this case. as i stated above the man was NOT arrested despite the headline and reports.
This is unspeakably depressing, this is what your country has come to. Is this what being American means to you now?
umm so if i see something i think might be suspicious i shouldn't report it? sorry but i'd rather take 2 minutes out of my time and report something and let the authorities determine if it is suspicious or criminal.
and it's not like this is an everyday occurrence to me. in 48 years here i've never come across someone dressed like that and saying those words.
EDIT: and let me repeat again - the man was NOT ARRESTED, only questioned. nothing wrong with happened in this case. move along.
But the fact is that you think someone dressing in a style traditional to Muslim customs and speaking words in praise of their god as Christians do every day, is suspicious activity. So essentially you think being a Muslim is suspicious in itself
well i don't see Christians randomly praising their God in public places every day either. maybe on the street corners where you live this is an everyday occurrence? not where i live.
edit: and if you were part of a group or religion that certain words were spoken by terrorists wouldn't you be a bit more cautious in a foreign land? When i go places i make sure not to say certain things that might raise suspicions. It's just common sense. and again this guy was NOT ARRESTED. it's a story being made of nothing.
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
The United Arab Emirates issued a travel warning to its citizens as a result of the incident. That's the international news story.
The travel advisory was a suggestion that UAE citizens wear western dress when traveling to the US or Europe. "When in Rome . . . " seems like a logical travel advisory to me. If I traveled to the UAE, I would be expected to wear long skirts and cover my head, and out of concern for my safety, I would do so. I see nothing wrong with asking people to assimilate when traveling here.
Because for you to cover up would not be a betrayal of your religious beliefs, merely a respectful recognition of theirs. On the other hand, for them to adopt Western dress is denying them the right to practice their religion and express their beliefs
I don't respect a religion that believes women's bodies and hair are seductive traps that need to be hidden from view. If I traveled and covered up, it truly would be a safety practice; otherwise I could be arrested and stoned to death. The other truth is that I have zero desire to travel to such a backwards place.
Last week, my local Democratic party was recruiting volunteers to register voters at the Islamic Center. Female volunteers were told to dress modestly and wear something on our heads. I did not volunteer for that reason. If registering Muslim Americans means that I have to pretend to respect their religion, I really don't care if they vote or not.
Sheesh, we don't even know that he said Allahu akbar. That was suggested by somebody else in this thread. The hotel clerk said that he was speaking Arabic and pledging allegiance to ISIS, though I don't know how she figured that since she couldn't understand him. Even if he said Allahu akbar while speaking Arabic on the phone to someone, I don't see why that would be incautious of him. I guess if he were speaking Spanish, she'd have assumed he was part of a drug cartel.
I will say again that surely hotel staff frequently encounter visitors from other countries. You'd think! Ya'll are saying he shouldn't have been upset about being detained. I wouldn't appreciate hotel staff of another country making wild assumptions about me and calling the police.
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
Exactly. Imagine white folks having the police called on them and tackled, having their lives put in danger, & arrested every time someone heard them say "Thank God!"
well if you said God is great in the middle of a Muslim state it wouldn't go over too well.
and if I heard someone dressed in that manner and saying that i would report it absolutely. as a US citizen i have the right to report what i think might be suspicious activity. It is them up to the authorities to decipher if the supposed activity should be investigated and/or is criminal. that is all that happened in this case. as i stated above the man was NOT arrested despite the headline and reports.
This is unspeakably depressing, this is what your country has come to. Is this what being American means to you now?
umm so if i see something i think might be suspicious i shouldn't report it? sorry but i'd rather take 2 minutes out of my time and report something and let the authorities determine if it is suspicious or criminal.
and it's not like this is an everyday occurrence to me. in 48 years here i've never come across someone dressed like that and saying those words.
EDIT: and let me repeat again - the man was NOT ARRESTED, only questioned. nothing wrong with happened in this case. move along.
agreed...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.
does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?
apparently we fear what we don't understand.
Exactly A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying glory be to god A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying thank you lord
So much damn fear, hate, and ignorance in this world.
I have never in my life in person heard someone say Allahu Akbar, and really 95% of the time (a statistic I just made up) I hear it on TV it is in relation to a terrorist attack. Not saying your statement above is not correct, but in the USA (at least based on my experience) it is not so common a saying amongst the general public.
I don't respect many of the religious practices either. I don't respect a LOT of thing about all kinds of religions, Islam included. However, I do respect their right to believe what they want to believe as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights of others... which is not actually always the case to say the least. Respecting their right to believe something isn't the same as respecting the belief/religion. I will never ever respect organized religion. and especially not parts of them that serve to oppress women. I also respect people's right to not be subjected to and harmed by racism, ignorance, hysteria, and stupidity.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.
does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?
apparently we fear what we don't understand.
Exactly A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying glory be to god A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal yo a christian saying thank you lord
So much damn fear, hate, and ignorance in this world.
with so much ignorance in our society and in our world sometimes i am ashamed to be a human being.
Melodramatic.
I'd be more ashamed after reading of mass murder than I would be hearing of some guy detained a bit for acting suspiciously- even though he wasn't from what we have read. There's much greater ignorance out there that doesn't draw as much more ire from many here.
People on this board and elsewhere were questioning why neighbours of that twat in California that shot up his work place in the name of Allah hadn't reported his suspiciousness.
A person simply cannot win under the circumstances we have. It's probably best to say nothing and accept mass murder as it happens lest you be called an intolerant fool.
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
seems like the only people who can win are the paranoid, stupid, white, christian, men.
I wonder if you inserted a different race in your rant you would be called a racist?
I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
It's also the favorite thing they say out loud when they are about to kill thousands w/ a airplane or dozens when they blow themselves up in the middle of a town square,hotel, restaurant, train, movie theater, church, whatever and wherever.....Nothing to see here
So I'm guessing in Chicago you get lots of 911 calls about people saying "Allahu akbar"? Sounds like it's a priority to respond to them. If the same bimbo hotel clerk called 911 and said there was a guy in Klan robes talking on the phone about buying some charcoal, would you rush right over to detain him?
Don't really get that call of people saying Allahu Akbar... that would mean you work in area where people are concerned for their fellow man. The police in shitcago get calls like male ***** stabbed in hand for taking the last chicken wing and all sorts of Baby momma / daddy drama. Interesting No calls are ever at city sponcerd job placement offices littered all over the ghetto.
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
The United Arab Emirates issued a travel warning to its citizens as a result of the incident. That's the international news story.
The travel advisory was a suggestion that UAE citizens wear western dress when traveling to the US or Europe. "When in Rome . . . " seems like a logical travel advisory to me. If I traveled to the UAE, I would be expected to wear long skirts and cover my head, and out of concern for my safety, I would do so. I see nothing wrong with asking people to assimilate when traveling here.
Because for you to cover up would not be a betrayal of your religious beliefs, merely a respectful recognition of theirs. On the other hand, for them to adopt Western dress is denying them the right to practice their religion and express their beliefs
excuse me, the dress in question worm in cleveland is cultural in nature, not religious. largely confined to the gulf states with white robe and white head covering with band.
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i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.
does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?
apparently we fear what we don't understand.
Exactly A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying glory be to god A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal yo a christian saying thank you lord
So much damn fear, hate, and ignorance in this world.
with so much ignorance in our society and in our world sometimes i am ashamed to be a human being.
Melodramatic.
I'd be more ashamed after reading of mass murder than I would be hearing of some guy detained a bit for acting suspiciously- even though he wasn't from what we have read. There's much greater ignorance out there that doesn't draw as much more ire from many here.
People on this board and elsewhere were questioning why neighbours of that twat in California that shot up his work place in the name of Allah hadn't reported his suspiciousness.
A person simply cannot win under the circumstances we have. It's probably best to say nothing and accept mass murder as it happens lest you be called an intolerant fool.
Don't get me wrong... it's shitty this guy was detained, but this event is international news? Really?
seems like the only people who can win are the paranoid, stupid, white, christian, men.
I wonder if you inserted a different race in your rant you would be called a racist?
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Nice post. Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Nice post. Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.
huh. so we ARENT supposed to be better than that. guess we need to revamp the brochures.
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It's ridiculous that people get labeled or criticized or (obviously in this thread's situation) worse because of what they wear. And there's nothing new about that. For example, in 1971 I went to Rome, traveling afar alone for the first time. Just by coincidence, the same week I went to Rome that city was hosting a communist convention. It during a cool weather time of year so I wore my usual cool weather garb- my Pop's Navy peacoat, flared Levi's, blue cotton workman's shirt and hair well down below my shoulders. Several Roman citizens assumed that I was an American communist and because of that I was variously spit on, sneered at, nearly run over, hustled and had garbage thrown at me from a second story window. All I was doing was wandering around looking for a record store.
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Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia have made leaps and bounds at becoming better nations with equality. It may not seem like it but they have. Dubai was a safe place for me to visit. I didn't worry about much.
I don't respect many of the religious practices either. I don't respect a LOT of thing about all kinds of religions, Islam included. However, I do respect their right to believe what they want to believe as long as it doesn't impinge on the rights of others... which is not actually always the case to say the least. Respecting their right to believe something isn't the same as respecting the belief/religion. I will never ever respect organized religion. and especially not parts of them that serve to oppress women. I also respect people's right to not be subjected to and harmed by racism, ignorance, hysteria, and stupidity.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Nice post. Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.
huh. so we ARENT supposed to be better than that. guess we need to revamp the brochures.
We ARE better than that. After being questioned and searched, the man was released. The police department apologized, the hotel is investigating its employee and implementing diversity training, and yesterday I read in another headline that the US even apologized to the UAE. So, yes, we are better than that, and it is very foolish to think otherwise.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?
The man "wasn't held responsible for millions of deaths caused by (his) government," so yes, I do believe it's ignorant of you to ask that ridiculous question. The man was proven innocent with a search and questioning and then released. If he had been detained indefinitely, refused counsel and a trial, thrown in a deplorable jail cell and then flogged publicly, you might have a point. But you don't.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?
You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?
You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.
True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate
Lest I be accused of ignorance, I've been reading up on the United Arab Emirates tonight. As suspected, it's a pretty horrible place. genderindex.org/country/united-arab-emirates I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Lest I be accused of ignorance, should I be held responsible for millions of deaths caused by my government?
You're going to hate this response, but to some degree you are.
True but the important distinction is that it is not a legitimate government who want to punish American citizens for the crimes of its government, it is terrorists without a political mandate
Ultimately, does it matter?
You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and it's not like this is an everyday occurrence to me. in 48 years here i've never come across someone dressed like that and saying those words.
EDIT: and let me repeat again - the man was NOT ARRESTED, only questioned. nothing wrong with happened in this case. move along.
Jaysus terrible suspicious altogether, sure they must all have been closet terrorists!
edit: and if you were part of a group or religion that certain words were spoken by terrorists wouldn't you be a bit more cautious in a foreign land? When i go places i make sure not to say certain things that might raise suspicions. It's just common sense. and again this guy was NOT ARRESTED. it's a story being made of nothing.
Last week, my local Democratic party was recruiting volunteers to register voters at the Islamic Center. Female volunteers were told to dress modestly and wear something on our heads. I did not volunteer for that reason. If registering Muslim Americans means that I have to pretend to respect their religion, I really don't care if they vote or not.
I will say again that surely hotel staff frequently encounter visitors from other countries. You'd think! Ya'll are saying he shouldn't have been upset about being detained. I wouldn't appreciate hotel staff of another country making wild assumptions about me and calling the police.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I also respect people's right to not be subjected to and harmed by racism, ignorance, hysteria, and stupidity.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I think it's unfortunate that a visitor to our nation was treated so unhospitably because, like everyone else, I wish the world and the people in it were perfect. But considering that women in the UAE can be and have been arrested for being raped, that 1/3 of women in the UAE have been genitally mutilated, that women can't even legally work outside the home or travel outside the country without their husband or father's permission (to treat their heart disease in America, for example) -- I'm not really so troubled that this guy experienced a few moments of discomfort at the hands of the American police. I mean, on the global scale of injustice, it could have been much, much worse.
Soon you will hear rebuttals defending those actions or at least told to have some compassion for it.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Dubai was a safe place for me to visit. I didn't worry about much.
You'll need to be clearer for me to understand what distinction serves to separate the two. Motivation or mandate mean very little to the victims.