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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/04/world/middleeast/emirates-issues-travel-warning-after-man-in-robe-is-mistaken-for-isis-terrorist-in-ohio.html?_r=0

The man was wearing traditional middle eastern dress and was labeled a terrorist, cops called and brought him down...

Is this where we are now? Any person wearing a keffiyeh and dasha is a terrorist?
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  • EM194007EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    It's because of this.

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

    Just takes one person to make a call. Could happen to anyone these days.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    EM194007 said:

    It's because of this.

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

    Just takes one person to make a call. Could happen to anyone these days.

    I'm going to call out ignorance on this. The man was wearing traditional clothing...
  • EM194007EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    tempo_n_groove said:

    EM194007 said:

    It's because of this.

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

    Just takes one person to make a call. Could happen to anyone these days.

    I'm going to call out ignorance on this. The man was wearing traditional clothing...
    Yes, it most likely was. But your going to get a lot more people calling and saying there is something wrong with "said" person/s, because of the threat of something could be wrong. Welcome to the new world were living in. Sucks, that's for sure.

    Need to change you thread title, this guy was never arrested, he was just detained.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Posts: 6,160
    ^well said. We all give up some of our rights when shit goes bad. Our privacy is deteriorating just as our safety.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Sometimes you push your trolling bullshit a little too far.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited July 2016
    But he was NOT overheard speaking about ISIS. I have a BIG problem with the fact that some fucking idiot simply sees someone wearing middle-eastern clothing and that person is then tackled to the ground and held against his will. This is completely fucked up to me. If there had been any suspicious behaviour, that's one thing, but there wasn't. None at all. People who make calls like this are really stupid racist assholes as far as I'm concerned.

    PJfan, why are you "glad" this happened?? Unless you think it might raise awareness about how someone just looking middle eastern isn't a good reason to call the cops, I don't see how any decent person could be glad this happened.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Who PrincessWho Princess Posts: 7,305
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2016
    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    I did read the article.
    Doesn't matter. The police had know way of knowing when receiving the call.
    People make false allegations all the time and they all have to be investigated in case one slips away.

    and yes terrorists are that stupid

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited July 2016
    And a very important quote from the article btw:

    “Guns were drawn,” the mayor said. “When you make a false accusation, you put that person’s life in danger.” Mr. Menhali, he added, “was 100 percent innocent.”

    Would all these morons feel proud of themselves for being racist and paranoid if their indefensible accusations resulted in the death of an innocent person??? Because that is a very real risk when they do shit like this.

    Oh, and as if this weren't bad enough, did you catch this little kick in the butt? :lol:
    "He said he was in Ohio because he was visiting the Cleveland Clinic for a medical procedure. He had been looking for a hotel room because the owner of the apartment where he was staying in Cleveland wanted to rent it out for the Republican National Convention."
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    PJ_Soul said:

    And a very important quote from the article btw:

    “Guns were drawn,” the mayor said. “When you make a false accusation, you put that person’s life in danger.” Mr. Menhali, he added, “was 100 percent innocent.”

    Would all this morons feel proud of themselves for being racist and paranoid if their indefensible accusations resulted in the death of an innocent person??? Because that is a very real risk when they do shit like this.

    Well said pjsoul!

    I agree that the cops were right in what they did but to the person that called in, shame on you.

    Every foreigner is going to be subject to this type of behavior...
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Posts: 2,682
    tempo_n_groove said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    And a very important quote from the article btw:

    “Guns were drawn,” the mayor said. “When you make a false accusation, you put that person’s life in danger.” Mr. Menhali, he added, “was 100 percent innocent.”

    Would all this morons feel proud of themselves for being racist and paranoid if their indefensible accusations resulted in the death of an innocent person??? Because that is a very real risk when they do shit like this.

    Well said pjsoul!

    I agree that the cops were right in what they did but to the person that called in, shame on you.

    Every foreigner is going to be subject to this type of behavior...
    Oh not every foreigner, just those who have the temerity to be Muslim
  • Who PrincessWho Princess Posts: 7,305
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    tempo_n_groove said:


    Well said pjsoul!

    I agree that the cops were right in what they did but to the person that called in, shame on you.

    Every foreigner is going to be subject to this type of behavior...

    Oh not every foreigner, just those who have the temerity to be Muslim
    Unfortunately true.

    I would think a hotel's staff would see more visitors from other countries than most businesses.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited July 2016
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    I did read the article.
    Doesn't matter. The police had know way of knowing when receiving the call.
    People make false allegations all the time and they all have to be investigated in case one slips away.

    and yes terrorists are that stupid

    Are you drunk today?

    The issue is not the police. The issue is the people calling 911 for no reason and initiating a take-down of someone who is literally doing nothing.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    I did read the article.
    Doesn't matter. The police had know way of knowing when receiving the call.
    People make false allegations all the time and they all have to be investigated in case one slips away.

    and yes terrorists are that stupid

    Are you drunk today?

    The issue is not the police. The issue is the people calling 911 for no reason and initiating a take-down of someone who is literally doing nothing.
    I wish.

    The police is another issue to this whole story as well.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,592
    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
    You can pledge allegiance to ISIS out loud with two words.
    Many Islamic terrorists are on record of having said two words before committing atrocities.

    Unless you live under a rock you know what two words those are.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,592
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
    You can pledge allegiance to ISIS out loud with two words.
    Many Islamic terrorists are on record of having said two words before committing atrocities.

    Unless you live under a rock you know what two words those are.
    Allahu akbar? Go fuck yourself douchebag.
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
    You can pledge allegiance to ISIS out loud with two words.
    Many Islamic terrorists are on record of having said two words before committing atrocities.

    Unless you live under a rock you know what two words those are.
    Allahu akbar? Go fuck yourself douchebag.
    Ok then.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
    You can pledge allegiance to ISIS out loud with two words.
    Many Islamic terrorists are on record of having said two words before committing atrocities.

    Unless you live under a rock you know what two words those are.
    Allahu akbar? Go fuck yourself douchebag.
    Geezuz man.

    Way to kick it up a couple notches.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Atrocious incident, awful thread degeneration. Par for the course? I hope not.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,061
    One more example of how not to treat your fellow human beings.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Who PrincessWho Princess Posts: 7,305
    I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Posts: 2,682
    Who Princess said:

    I guess you're not aware that Allahu akbar means "God is great," not "I pledge support to ISIS." You're a lot more likely to hear an Arabic speaker say it when they get good news, they congratulate someone, or their favorite team scores a goal. In another life, I taught English to Arabic students and they said it all the time, including when they got a good grade or were talking about everyday things.

    Thank you for bringing some sanity to proceedings, though I suspect that once again it was a case of feigned ignorance on the part of our resident troll
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    It's possible the whole situation could have been handled better ... but really he was detained for 10 minutes, I suspect the police detain and question people all day everyday, that I assume is part of their job, be proactive before bad happens. As for the hotel clerk she or he is only doing what the media and politicians have been preaching for the last 15 years ... report anything suspicious ... was this guy suspicious? Only the clerk knows. Both the mayor and chief of police both apologized. Sometimes you take your apology and move on. Even though the thousands of other people detained daily don't get personnel apology.

    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • qontheboardqontheboard Posts: 784
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Who Princess said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I am glad that this happened.
    ISIS supporters come in all colours, shapes and sexes.
    If he was allegedly overheard speaking his allegiance to ISIS while in a public space with many people I would want it to be investigated quickly as well to make sure he wasn't about to do something after making his final pledge.
    He just happened to be wearing clothes like that. The response would be no different say if you are overheard taking about bombs or hijacking at an airport.

    So tough shit for this guy. It happened move on.
    So OP the world has always been one of being punished by false allegations. Some never even get disproved.

    Did you read the article? The man spoke little English yet the hotel clerk thought he was "pledging allegiance to ISIS" while he spoke on the phone in Arabic? You think an actual terrorist would be that stupid?

    At least the mayor and police department acknowledged screwing up.
    And this clerk and any other dumbfuck here knows fluent arabic to know that "pledge allegiance to isis" garbage?
    You can pledge allegiance to ISIS out loud with two words.
    Many Islamic terrorists are on record of having said two words before committing atrocities.

    Unless you live under a rock you know what two words those are.
    Allahu akbar? Go fuck yourself douchebag.
    Geezuz man.

    Way to kick it up a couple notches.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.

    does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?

    apparently we fear what we don't understand.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Posts: 2,682
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.

    does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?

    apparently we fear what we don't understand.

    That....and what the media tells us to fear
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    lukin2006 said:

    It's possible the whole situation could have been handled better ... but really he was detained for 10 minutes, I suspect the police detain and question people all day everyday, that I assume is part of their job, be proactive before bad happens. As for the hotel clerk she or he is only doing what the media and politicians have been preaching for the last 15 years ... report anything suspicious ... was this guy suspicious? Only the clerk knows. Both the mayor and chief of police both apologized. Sometimes you take your apology and move on. Even though the thousands of other people detained daily don't get personnel apology.

    The cops were acting accordingly. They can only go by what the dispatcher tells them and have no way of knowing if he's an average Joe or a terrorist. Cops get a pass from me.
    The apologies from officials were nice, won't happen often though.

    I really hope that we end up living in fear, I really don't...
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    edited July 2016
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i said allahu akbar when i almost wrecked my jeep yesterday.

    does that mean i unknowlingly pledged allegiance to isis?

    apparently we fear what we don't understand.

    Exactly
    A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying glory be to god
    A muslim saying Allahu Akbar is equal to a christian saying thank you lord

    So much damn fear, hate, and ignorance in this world.
    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
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