Are social issues nearly as important as issues like biodiversity and climate?

catefrances

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

I tried, I give up!

Apologies if my prior input came off as....something unworthy? Guessing not a decent contribution.

Hope the rest of this conversation continues to be productive and constructive.

Shall be reading.

We're all worthy, just missed your post is all. Sorry.

hedonist said:

I believe it's all relative.

Illegal for a woman to have an abortion may likely be more important in that time vs smog.

It's just not either / or.

...or about greed and stupidity.

I'm neither greedy nor an idiot for focusing on other issues based on the usual shit that happens in life.

In the moment everything is relative. If my hair is on fire, I'm going to be more concerned about that than the loss of another species. What I'm suggesting is that in the big picture, if there are no mega fauna anymore there are no people and if there are no people there are no social issues and so, therefor, in the big picture, environmental issues are more important than social issues. Seems logical doesn't it? I'm always a bit surprised to see resistance to this premise.

Why, just look at these AMT forums. What gets talked about the most? War, firearms, racism, killings, riots, politics, etc. All very important issues, to be sure! But no more people means no more war, firearms, racism, killings, riots, politics, etc. Maybe we want to end those things by ending ourselves. If so, something's pretty fucked up in our collective psyche. But I think we can do better than that.

I would venture to say the end of mankind doesn't mean the end of politics. hierarchies exist within the non human world... are they inherently political for want of a better word? yes I think so. the difference being we as humans have the ability to express in words what other life forms on this earth can not. it is through actions that animal politics are played out.

Well now, Cate, my attempting to understand how politics can exist outside the human realm will keep me up into the wee hours! That's a very dense and profound thought that's never occurred to me!

well tbh it was a thought that occurred to me as I was reading your post. made me think of the matriarchal hierarchies that can be seen throughout the animal kingdom... about how for example the dominant female sometimes excludes her own daughters from the familial unit so they cant reproduce, whereby becoming a threat to the matriarchs own dominance, so that her own offspring have a better chance. I know there will be some who don't see these actions as political but I do. lets not forget there was a time when we ourselves weren't much above the animals(if at all) in terms of intellect and animalistic urges.

Those are kinds of politics in a way. Fascinating!

politics is about power afterall.