Beauty From Pain

pickupyourwill

rgambs said:

pickupyourwill said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.

I agree, people should have the guts to age naturally.

When I put this thread up it was more about the way people shame others not just for plastic surgery, but for appearances in general...that was the underlying issue. You guys brought up a lot of great points--thank you for contributing.

peace & love

mickeyrat

rgambs said:

pickupyourwill said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.

is this some kind of smart ass joke?

years of drug abuse and several years ago having undergone ECT "electroconvulsive therapy" may have something to do with speech.

fucking laughable you would rail against public shaming of appearance then turn around and do it another way.

hedonist

pickupyourwill said:

rgambs said:

pickupyourwill said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.

I agree, people should have the guts to age naturally.

When I put this thread up it was more about the way people shame others not just for plastic surgery, but for appearances in general...that was the underlying issue. You guys brought up a lot of great points--thank you for contributing.

peace & love

I do appreciate your intent, and it made me think how being critical of (or even commenting on) what people do to themselves is considered shaming. The procedures those undertake do not affect my quality of life or mind, but damn, I don't fully get it on the more-than-simple side and to me, it's more than OK to question it. Why would you do anything to yourself to deform your lips or prevent your face from showing emotion or live with hard and misshapen body parts? Just trying to understand the mental process - and it IS a process in many ways. Forethought (I'd hope), consultations, final decision, recuperation.

It seems so exhausting!

I'll just be over here, aging...and thankful I can, and am

pickupyourwill

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rgambs

mickeyrat said:

rgambs said:

pickupyourwill said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.

is this some kind of smart ass joke?

years of drug abuse and several years ago having undergone ECT "electroconvulsive therapy" may have something to do with speech.

fucking laughable you would rail against public shaming of appearance then turn around and do it another way.

It's not a joke, botox has left her unable to emote. She is incredibly vain, and has been for years. Society and geeks have heaped a ton of pressure on her as the ultimate in geeky hotness, so it's definitely not as if she created her own monster, but it has wrecked her life pretty good.
In the special features the one thing she has to say is that they should have made the movie ten years ago when she looked better.

She sets a bad example on how to handle the patriarchal bullshit in our society, plain and simple.

pickupyourwill

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brianlux

I never criticize people for doing whatever they want to their own bodies even if I don't personally like it. It's none of my business.

For example, some people look great with tattoos (not most in my opinion) but I never berate them. I had a regular customer when I had my open store years back and his face had some weird tattoos and I always felt a bit uncomfortable looking at them (hard not to!) but I never said a critical word. He was a nice guy and we were always friendly.

Do what works for you and the hell with what anybody else says!

pickupyourwill

brianlux said:

I never criticize people for doing whatever they want to their own bodies even if I don't personally like it. It's none of my business.

For example, some people look great with tattoos (not most in my opinion) but I never berate them. I had a regular customer when I had my open store years back and his face had some weird tattoos and I always felt a bit uncomfortable looking at them (hard not to!) but I never said a critical word. He was a nice guy and we were always friendly.

Do what works for you and the hell with what anybody else says!

Thanks, Brian

I don't know what happened. I actually got on here to quietly delete some stuff I wrote in this thread, lol--but instead it got reposted, lol--must have hit a wrong button or something--all apologies.

peace & love

brianlux

pickupyourwill said:

brianlux said:

I never criticize people for doing whatever they want to their own bodies even if I don't personally like it. It's none of my business.

For example, some people look great with tattoos (not most in my opinion) but I never berate them. I had a regular customer when I had my open store years back and his face had some weird tattoos and I always felt a bit uncomfortable looking at them (hard not to!) but I never said a critical word. He was a nice guy and we were always friendly.

Do what works for you and the hell with what anybody else says!

Thanks, Brian

I don't know what happened. I actually got on here to quietly delete some stuff I wrote in this thread, lol--but instead it got reposted, lol--must have hit a wrong button or something--all apologies.

peace & love

mookeywrench

I don't know...if the Emperor went parading down the streets in his new clothes, wouldn't you call him out on it?

hedonist

mookeywrench said:

I don't know...if the Emperor went parading down the streets in his new clothes, wouldn't you call him out on it?

Gotta play me some Sinead now, mookey.

Thank you!

(plus, better than the Hans Christian Anderson version of the same theme)

pickupyourwill

mookeywrench said:

I don't know...if the Emperor went parading down the streets in his new clothes, wouldn't you call him out on it?

Okay, this is the impression that I got from it all--maybe I'm wrong. I figured Meg had all that botox done and didn't realize how far she took it--and knows it was a mistake but can't undo it?--maybe the rich can, I have no idea--and hasn't really been seen much recently --in hiding so to speak--definitely hasn't been seen by a lot of Midwest people in a long time on screen. So, finally, after mustering up enough courage to be somewhere publicly but still not quite confidently, she put herself out there--but not parading in her new "clothes"--just being encouraged by famous friends and what not to finally make an appearance. And then she did and they tore her apart. That's how I originally saw it. Maybe I have her pegged wrong. Maybe she was parading. And maybe there are so many botox faces floating around willy nilly over there that her new look really is the new normal for all of them.

camsjam

As a former Angeleno I can say plastic surgery was never dead or sick. I remember seeing alot of post surgery women in big Jackie O sunglasses and scarves when I worked in Beverly Hills about 18 years ago. Also met alot of young women who had gotten breast implants. I can't imagine having an occupation that is so tied into physical appearance..it has to be tough. And many male celebs get those nip and tucks too. I don't see it as right or wrong but it's weirdly creepy how generic looking people become when they've had multiple procedures. Had to smile when I read the comment on LA Stories (love that movie) and Steve Martin thought SJP's breasts felt weird because they were real. I remember hugging guys for the first time and a few blurted out "Wow those are real?" Doesn't happen anymore because my own voluntary surgery was getting a reduction. It was great to reverse the gravity effect but my major reason was the strain on my neck, shoulders and back. I don't miss having my "weapons of great distraction" it was a lift both physically and mentally. Unless something drastic happened I can't imagine changing my facial features tho. I sympathize with Meg--the media and internet can be so cruel. It's a lose or lose thing....either comments on how old and tired she might look with out a lift or she's ruined

HughFreakingDillon

camsjam said:

As a former Angeleno I can say plastic surgery was never dead or sick. I remember seeing alot of post surgery women in big Jackie O sunglasses and scarves when I worked in Beverly Hills about 18 years ago. Also met alot of young women who had gotten breast implants. I can't imagine having an occupation that is so tied into physical appearance..it has to be tough. And many male celebs get those nip and tucks too. I don't see it as right or wrong but it's weirdly creepy how generic looking people become when they've had multiple procedures. Had to smile when I read the comment on LA Stories (love that movie) and Steve Martin thought SJP's breasts felt weird because they were real. I remember hugging guys for the first time and a few blurted out "Wow those are real?" Doesn't happen anymore because my own voluntary surgery was getting a reduction. It was great to reverse the gravity effect but my major reason was the strain on my neck, shoulders and back. I don't miss having my "weapons of great distraction" it was a lift both physically and mentally. Unless something drastic happened I can't imagine changing my facial features tho. I sympathize with Meg--the media and internet can be so cruel. It's a lose or lose thing....either comments on how old and tired she might look with out a lift or she's ruined

correct. the growing old gracefully only seems to apply to about 1% of actresses, and about 75% of actors. if you ain't Meryl, you need surgery.

Free

I could be wrong but EV may have had work done... He looks better now than during the Backspacer period. (not a bad thing, just saying...)

HughFreakingDillon

Free said:

I could be wrong but EV may have had work done... He looks better now than during the Backspacer period. (not a bad thing, just saying...)

I just saw a pic of him with lana del ray and cat power. I thought "wow, his forehead looks really smooth!".

hedonist

Doubt it on the Ed front - he's still got those brow-frown lines (as I do - and fuck me if I'll be getting rid of them!).

Free

HughFreakingDillon said:

Free said:

I could be wrong but EV may have had work done... He looks better now than during the Backspacer period. (not a bad thing, just saying...)

I just saw a pic of him with lana del ray and cat power. I thought "wow, his forehead looks really smooth!".

Can you post it? I just would like to see the three of them together.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul

It's just the lighting and photo quality. You can't see any lines or anything on any of their faces.