Beauty From Pain

PJ_Soul

Enkidu said:

I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.

You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.

But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???

Well, my sister got a nose job when she was 16, and she is a real superficial biotch who makes fun of people for their looks... however, I would guess that she got the nose job because she was already superficial. She didn't become superficial because she got the nose job. So perhaps IF you had been the type of person to decide on a nose job perhaps you wouldn't have become a writer because you would have had a different personality to come to that decision, but the nose job alone probably wouldn't have been the culprit.

PS - yes, I am the only female in my family who hasn't had plastic surgery.

hedonist

Enkidu said:

I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.

You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.

But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???

See, I consider that as much different than the extremes to which some people go (Lil Kim, that cat lady, Angelyne, etc.). It's no skin off my nose but I just can't get my head around that level of removal/reconstruction.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

Enkidu said:

I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.

You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.

But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???

See, I consider that as much different than the extremes to which some people go (Lil Kim, that cat lady, Angelyne, etc.). It's no skin off my nose but I just can't get my head around that level of removal/reconstruction.

Well that level of reconstruction is, I think, a sign of a mental illness of some kind.

InHiding80

mickeyrat said:

would help not being inundated with a madison ave and hollywood definition of what beauty is and what makes a person beautiful.

True, their idea of beauty is Kartrashian. No thanks. In the old days someone like Jessica Chastain would have more attention and rightfully so since she has talent and class even though she does have her share of male fans with taste, including me.

rgambs

Yeah, I think the majority (all, really) of people who voiced negative opinions on plastic surgery were not talking about simple fixes like shaving a nose down, pinning ears back (personally, I love when ladies' ears stick out, very endearing to me), fixing snaggleteeth, or a little Lipo from areas that are immune to diet and exercise.
Those things are quick, permanent fixes that improve a person's self-esteem without really any downside. Injections that don't last, implants (that also don't last), and major reconstructions are a bit different, and
often carry increased risk factors.
Compound it with the fact that many of the women doing these things are universally revered as beautiful, gorgeous women, that's when we start getting more judgemental.

Enkidu

I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.

And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?

Free

Enkidu said:

I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.

PJ_Soul

Enkidu said:

I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.

And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?

I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.

I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.

PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.

InHiding80

PJ_Soul said:

Enkidu said:

I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.

And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?

I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.

I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.

PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.

Pretty is as pretty does and that disgusting family is ugly.

PJ_Soul

InHiding80 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Enkidu said:

I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.

And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?

I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.

I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.

PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.

Pretty is as pretty does and that disgusting family is ugly.

I don't know them so have no idea if they are disgusting human beings. I can certainly think of a lot of families who are a lot worse. Families full or criminals, people who abuse their kids and wives and pets, families stuffed with racists, etc. These are disgusting families in my book, not a handful of women with beautiful faces and undeserved fame.

josevolution

She looks like the joker with the way her mouth & cheeks look , sad really ..

Free

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

jeffbr

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

HughFreakingDillon

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

Kat

Closed for review. Done. Carry on with the topic discussion. Thank you.

hedonist

Advertising is so strange.

Caught a commercial for some Oil of Olay cream a few ago - it's called Ageless and the word is used to emphasize "age LESS". The fuck is wrong with aging? It's what we're supposed to do.

And all of these ads feature women. Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff, do you really use it? Jennifer Garner actually removes her eye makeup with Neutrogena wipes?

And, by the same token, the ads featuring *regular* women come off as contrived.

InHiding80

Just started watching Kate and Leopold on Showtime since it expires in a few days. She looked quite good for 40 back then. I guess she got her lips changed in the mid 00s after that boxing movie?

pickupyourwill

hedonist said:

Advertising is so strange.

Caught a commercial for some Oil of Olay cream a few ago - it's called Ageless and the word is used to emphasize "age LESS". The fuck is wrong with aging? It's what we're supposed to do.

And all of these ads feature women. Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff, do you really use it? Jennifer Garner actually removes her eye makeup with Neutrogena wipes?

And, by the same token, the ads featuring *regular* women come off as contrived.

"Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff"..lmao

I agree with you....wtf is wrong with aging--nothing. Its what we're supposed to do.

pickupyourwill

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest here, they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

rgambs

pickupyourwill said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Free said:

I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.

True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.

exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.

I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.

I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.

Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.