Beauty From Pain

callen

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

hedonist

callen said:

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

Pretty sure the average Joe isn't losing sleep over Meg Ryan or other people who've had procedures done that make them look weird, fucked up and/or unnatural. These are observations.

How commenting on something ultimately innocuous and sharing thoughts on the overall topic ties to "nothing else compares to the shit going on in this world"...quite the stretch.

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

callen said:

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

Pretty sure the average Joe isn't losing sleep over Meg Ryan or other people who've had procedures done that make them look weird, fucked up and/or unnatural. These are observations.

How commenting on something ultimately innocuous and sharing thoughts on the overall topic ties to "nothing else compares to the shit going on in this world"...quite the stretch.

well I got up a couple times last night. but that was just to pee.

Drowned Out

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

HughFreakingDillon

Drowned Out said:

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.

HesCalledDyer

hedonist said:

Honestly, I think she (along with many other women - and men) look just weird and unnatural with injections and removals and whatever else.

Shit, young women are doing that stupid glass thing on their lips to get them puckered. Why?

It's not a route I need or want to take (then again, I'm a wuss when it comes to any kind of medical procedure), and I just don't get that need to hold onto physical youth and chasing that facade.

It's OK to get older, it's OK to have lines on your face - they reflect all of the laughs and cries and frowns and years of living.

They reflect our life.

So yeah, pretty sad to me at least the length some go to.

And to what end?

Reminds me of the second verse in this song. Some of my favorite lyrics ever...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4U3mRWlpYQ

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Drowned Out said:

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.

That's extreme. I don't think that will go over well with your daughters, lol.
My mother recently got a face lift. She's 70, and already looked young for her age. She didn't tell me she was going to do it because she knew I'd think it was crazy. So she avoided me for over a month while she healed and then surprised me with it, lol. And actually they did an excellent job. No one would ever know she got a face lift. They took off about 12 years I'd say, and it looks natural. So I asked her why in the fuck she did that, and she said because she feels so young in her head that when she looked at herself in the mirror she just couldn't reconcile what she looked like with how she felt, and it made her feel closer to death than she felt physically and mentally ...... fair enough. Is it vain? Yes. Did she do it because of how others perceive her? No. Does she enjoy it when people think she's in her early 50s when she's 70? For sure (it doesn't hurt that her body is super fit and trim still). Not because she cares about what others think of her, but because she feels like they are seeing how she really feels. It's like the facelift allowed others to see her more clearly. Does she need counselling because she got a face lift? Absolutely not. She's incredibly strong and 100% knows who she is. I didn't like that she did it.... but I get why she did, and there is nothing that I can really disrespect about her reasoning.
That said, many people DO do it because of how other perceive them, especially women. Why is that? Because of the horribly unrealistic expectations that society place on women when it comes to their appearances and because men buy into it, which leads to women trying to stay attractive to the men judging them (not to mention stupid bitchy women).

justam

I feel that it is very revealing of an insecure person when I see people who have obviously crossed the line from a little touch-up surgery to too much surgery.

In Florida, I used to see these older (usually blonde) women who had crossed the line trying to stay attractive and I felt that it was a reflection of several things. Their insecurity, their need to hold on to whatever power theirs looks gave them, OR just a straying husband who made them feel bad if they aged. It was not good all around!

For celebrities, especially actresses, it seems like their whole field drops them as soon as they start to age. They get less jobs, people make fun of them. It must be hard for them!

I wish people wouldn't feel so unloved when they start to age. It makes me sad to see the insecurity.

pjalive21

how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure

PJ_Soul

pjalive21 said:

how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure

Especially tell that to the people judging everyone by how they look (which seems to be most people now). It goes right down to how people dress and do their hair and take care of their fingernails, etc, and most people on these boards are as guilty as anyone. Anyone who doesn't "conform" to other people's idea of what is or isn't appropriate or attractive are harshly judged by others (including those people who have botched face lifts, clearly!

pjalive21

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure

Especially tell that to the people judging everyone by how they look (which seems to be most people now). It goes right down to how people dress and do their hair and take care of their fingernails, etc, and most people on these boards are as guilty as anyone. Anyone who doesn't "conform" to other people's idea of what is or isn't appropriate or attractive are harshly judged by others (including those people who have botched face lifts, clearly!

this too! completely agree...thank you for addressing that issue

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Drowned Out said:

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.

That's extreme. I don't think that will go over well with your daughters, lol.
My mother recently got a face lift. She's 70, and already looked young for her age. She didn't tell me she was going to do it because she knew I'd think it was crazy. So she avoided me for over a month while she healed and then surprised me with it, lol. And actually they did an excellent job. No one would ever know she got a face lift. They took off about 12 years I'd say, and it looks natural. So I asked her why in the fuck she did that, and she said because she feels so young in her head that when she looked at herself in the mirror she just couldn't reconcile what she looked like with how she felt, and it made her feel closer to death than she felt physically and mentally ...... fair enough. Is it vain? Yes. Did she do it because of how others perceive her? No. Does she enjoy it when people think she's in her early 50s when she's 70? For sure (it doesn't hurt that her body is super fit and trim still). Not because she cares about what others think of her, but because she feels like they are seeing how she really feels. It's like the facelift allowed others to see her more clearly. Does she need counselling because she got a face lift? Absolutely not. She's incredibly strong and 100% knows who she is. I didn't like that she did it.... but I get why she did, and there is nothing that I can really disrespect about her reasoning.
That said, many people DO do it because of how other perceive them, especially women. Why is that? Because of the horribly unrealistic expectations that society place on women when it comes to their appearances and because men buy into it, which leads to women trying to stay attractive to the men judging them (not to mention stupid bitchy women).

it's not extreme depending on their reason/age. obviously, if they want to do it at 70, I won't have much of a say. unless technology has advanced to the point my head can survive on a robot body as I search for Bobo.

Godfather.

as long as we are happy in our own skin is all that matters.

Godfather.

FoxyRedLa

Lmao. Why do people like the "lion" face?!?

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

as long as we are happy in our own skin is all that matters.

Godfather.

that's the whole thing, though.....they aren't.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

as long as we are happy in our own skin is all that matters.

Godfather.

that's the whole thing, though.....they aren't.

But the majority are after getting plastic surgery.

mickeyrat

would help not being inundated with a madison ave and hollywood definition of what beauty is and what makes a person beautiful.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

as long as we are happy in our own skin is all that matters.

Godfather.

that's the whole thing, though.....they aren't.

But the majority are after getting plastic surgery.

and that's fine and great for them. just unfortunate they put so much stock in it that they feel that's the only way to attain it.

I am losing my hair. am I going to go to a hair clinic so I can grow it long again? nope. I shave it off. I'd LOVE to have a full head of hair again. but I don't see the need to do anything like that artificially. I'm not putting myself above anyone when saying that, however. I have insecurities about myself like anyone else. mine just aren't surgically fixable, I guess.

Enkidu

I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.

You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.

But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???

HughFreakingDillon

Enkidu said:

I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.

You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.

But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???

yeah, I can see that. I forgot about that end of it. the "fixing" something that seems out of proportion other than simply trying to defy the aging process.

if I could shorten my forehead, maybe I would. LOL