how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure
Especially tell that to the people judging everyone by how they look (which seems to be most people now). It goes right down to how people dress and do their hair and take care of their fingernails, etc, and most people on these boards are as guilty as anyone. Anyone who doesn't "conform" to other people's idea of what is or isn't appropriate or attractive are harshly judged by others (including those people who have botched face lifts, clearly!
this too! completely agree...thank you for addressing that issue
Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants. This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line. For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.
I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.
That's extreme. I don't think that will go over well with your daughters, lol. My mother recently got a face lift. She's 70, and already looked young for her age. She didn't tell me she was going to do it because she knew I'd think it was crazy. So she avoided me for over a month while she healed and then surprised me with it, lol. And actually they did an excellent job. No one would ever know she got a face lift. They took off about 12 years I'd say, and it looks natural. So I asked her why in the fuck she did that, and she said because she feels so young in her head that when she looked at herself in the mirror she just couldn't reconcile what she looked like with how she felt, and it made her feel closer to death than she felt physically and mentally ...... fair enough. Is it vain? Yes. Did she do it because of how others perceive her? No. Does she enjoy it when people think she's in her early 50s when she's 70? For sure (it doesn't hurt that her body is super fit and trim still). Not because she cares about what others think of her, but because she feels like they are seeing how she really feels. It's like the facelift allowed others to see her more clearly. Does she need counselling because she got a face lift? Absolutely not. She's incredibly strong and 100% knows who she is. I didn't like that she did it.... but I get why she did, and there is nothing that I can really disrespect about her reasoning. That said, many people DO do it because of how other perceive them, especially women. Why is that? Because of the horribly unrealistic expectations that society place on women when it comes to their appearances and because men buy into it, which leads to women trying to stay attractive to the men judging them (not to mention stupid bitchy women).
it's not extreme depending on their reason/age. obviously, if they want to do it at 70, I won't have much of a say. unless technology has advanced to the point my head can survive on a robot body as I search for Bobo.
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that's the whole thing, though.....they aren't.
But the majority are after getting plastic surgery.
and that's fine and great for them. just unfortunate they put so much stock in it that they feel that's the only way to attain it.
I am losing my hair. am I going to go to a hair clinic so I can grow it long again? nope. I shave it off. I'd LOVE to have a full head of hair again. but I don't see the need to do anything like that artificially. I'm not putting myself above anyone when saying that, however. I have insecurities about myself like anyone else. mine just aren't surgically fixable, I guess.
I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.
You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.
You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
yeah, I can see that. I forgot about that end of it. the "fixing" something that seems out of proportion other than simply trying to defy the aging process.
if I could shorten my forehead, maybe I would. LOL
I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.
You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
Well, my sister got a nose job when she was 16, and she is a real superficial biotch who makes fun of people for their looks... however, I would guess that she got the nose job because she was already superficial. She didn't become superficial because she got the nose job. So perhaps IF you had been the type of person to decide on a nose job perhaps you wouldn't have become a writer because you would have had a different personality to come to that decision, but the nose job alone probably wouldn't have been the culprit.
PS - yes, I am the only female in my family who hasn't had plastic surgery.
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I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.
You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
See, I consider that as much different than the extremes to which some people go (Lil Kim, that cat lady, Angelyne, etc.). It's no skin off my nose but I just can't get my head around that level of removal/reconstruction.
I wasn't gonna post, but now I'll add my 2 cents. I inherited my father's nose. Sadly. (I'm female.) It tortured me growing up. People teased me (probably not that much, but when you're a kid things seem magnified). I hated it. Year later I met someone who told me she'd inherited her father's nose, hated it, went to a plastic surgeon and got it fixed. I ended up going to her plastic surgeon and I said I just wanted a nose that looked right for my face. And that's what I got.
You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
See, I consider that as much different than the extremes to which some people go (Lil Kim, that cat lady, Angelyne, etc.). It's no skin off my nose but I just can't get my head around that level of removal/reconstruction.
Well that level of reconstruction is, I think, a sign of a mental illness of some kind.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
would help not being inundated with a madison ave and hollywood definition of what beauty is and what makes a person beautiful.
True, their idea of beauty is Kartrashian. No thanks. In the old days someone like Jessica Chastain would have more attention and rightfully so since she has talent and class even though she does have her share of male fans with taste, including me.
Yeah, I think the majority (all, really) of people who voiced negative opinions on plastic surgery were not talking about simple fixes like shaving a nose down, pinning ears back (personally, I love when ladies' ears stick out, very endearing to me), fixing snaggleteeth, or a little Lipo from areas that are immune to diet and exercise. Those things are quick, permanent fixes that improve a person's self-esteem without really any downside. Injections that don't last, implants (that also don't last), and major reconstructions are a bit different, and often carry increased risk factors. Compound it with the fact that many of the women doing these things are universally revered as beautiful, gorgeous women, that's when we start getting more judgemental.
I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.
And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?
I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.
I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.
And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?
I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.
I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.
PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.
And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?
I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.
I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.
PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.
Pretty is as pretty does and that disgusting family is ugly.
I've always thought Nicole Kidman was so beautiful - interesting looking beautiful. But the Botox in her forehead, it doesn't even look like a real forehead any more. But as a woman who works in Hollywood (even as a writer, not an actress), the emphasis is on youth youth youth. Very sad.
And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?
I honestly am not sure if that is really botox, or if that's just what someone look like when they are incapable of displaying emotion, lol, which is what I think of Nicole Kidman's personality. But little fun fact: Nicole Kidman's nose is the nose that is most requested by rhinoplasty patients.
I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.
PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.
Pretty is as pretty does and that disgusting family is ugly.
I don't know them so have no idea if they are disgusting human beings. I can certainly think of a lot of families who are a lot worse. Families full or criminals, people who abuse their kids and wives and pets, families stuffed with racists, etc. These are disgusting families in my book, not a handful of women with beautiful faces and undeserved fame.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.
True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.
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I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.
True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.
exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.
I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.
Caught a commercial for some Oil of Olay cream a few ago - it's called Ageless and the word is used to emphasize "age LESS". The fuck is wrong with aging? It's what we're supposed to do.
And all of these ads feature women. Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff, do you really use it? Jennifer Garner actually removes her eye makeup with Neutrogena wipes?
And, by the same token, the ads featuring *regular* women come off as contrived.
Just started watching Kate and Leopold on Showtime since it expires in a few days. She looked quite good for 40 back then. I guess she got her lips changed in the mid 00s after that boxing movie?
Caught a commercial for some Oil of Olay cream a few ago - it's called Ageless and the word is used to emphasize "age LESS". The fuck is wrong with aging? It's what we're supposed to do.
And all of these ads feature women. Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff, do you really use it? Jennifer Garner actually removes her eye makeup with Neutrogena wipes?
And, by the same token, the ads featuring *regular* women come off as contrived.
"Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff"..lmao
I agree with you....wtf is wrong with aging--nothing. Its what we're supposed to do.
I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.
True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.
exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.
I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.
I agree. Especially in the midwest here, they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.
I don't care if all celebrities want to look like Cat Woman. Not my face.
True. And I don't want to jump on the shaming bandwagon, but there is a valid discussion to be had around the underlying issues that make people think they need to do this to themselves. I thought rgambs last post was right on the money.
exactly. it's a vicious circle of people wanting to look at "pretty things" in entertainment, but then trashing them when they don't look 25 their whole lives. so those people feel compelled to attempt to look 25, and they end up looking like freaks. and then people make fun of them for that.
I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.
I agree. Especially in the midwest how they expect actors and actresses to always look the same. After Force Awakens came out last winter, so many people around here were shocked about how old and different Carrie Fisher looked...a vicious circle.
Gosh, me and all my folks wished she had had the guts to age naturally, then perhaps her face would have been able to move enough for her to properly enunciate her words and convey some emotion.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I am losing my hair. am I going to go to a hair clinic so I can grow it long again? nope. I shave it off. I'd LOVE to have a full head of hair again. but I don't see the need to do anything like that artificially. I'm not putting myself above anyone when saying that, however. I have insecurities about myself like anyone else. mine just aren't surgically fixable, I guess.
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You would never know. It's a regular nose. Does it make me feel younger or prettier? No, it's just nice to feel like I have a nose that fits my face. Not a man's nose.
But I have to wonder - did agonizing over the size of my nose and feeling like I didn't fit in, did that contribute to me becoming a writer? If I'd had a nose job at age 16 (like so many girls do), would that have changed my personality? ???
if I could shorten my forehead, maybe I would. LOL
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PS - yes, I am the only female in my family who hasn't had plastic surgery.
Those things are quick, permanent fixes that improve a person's self-esteem without really any downside. Injections that don't last, implants (that also don't last), and major reconstructions are a bit different, and
often carry increased risk factors.
Compound it with the fact that many of the women doing these things are universally revered as beautiful, gorgeous women, that's when we start getting more judgemental.
And agree - why o why would the idea of beauty be a Kartrashian?
I think some of those Kardashians have extremely beautiful faces actually (I guess bodies too - never really noticed either way). It's just their personalities that are the problem.
PS - my sister also gets botox... yeah, you can totally tell. He face just looks vaguely weird for a good month after a treatment. Pretty sure my mom's done it at least once too, but she hid it from me because she knew I would think it's stupid.
I will instill in my daughters that beauty comes from inside, but it also doesn't help that all this outside influence is out there. it's unavoidable.
www.headstonesband.com
Caught a commercial for some Oil of Olay cream a few ago - it's called Ageless and the word is used to emphasize "age LESS". The fuck is wrong with aging? It's what we're supposed to do.
And all of these ads feature women. Aniston hawking Aveeno stuff, do you really use it? Jennifer Garner actually removes her eye makeup with Neutrogena wipes?
And, by the same token, the ads featuring *regular* women come off as contrived.
I agree with you....wtf is wrong with aging--nothing. Its what we're supposed to do.