Beauty From Pain

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Degeneratefk

That not Meg ryan. Really?

hedonist

Honestly, I think she (along with many other women - and men) look just weird and unnatural with injections and removals and whatever else.

Shit, young women are doing that stupid glass thing on their lips to get them puckered. Why?

It's not a route I need or want to take (then again, I'm a wuss when it comes to any kind of medical procedure), and I just don't get that need to hold onto physical youth and chasing that facade.

It's OK to get older, it's OK to have lines on your face - they reflect all of the laughs and cries and frowns and years of living.

They reflect our life.

So yeah, pretty sad to me at least the length some go to.

And to what end?

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hedonist

Share when and if you want, OP. I get your mood, even if we may see this topic differently.

pickupyourwill

^^^
Thank you, hedo

Free

Pressures of being a celebrity.

Gern Blansten

I don't understand it either...she was a beautiful person so why make yourself look like the Joker?

I can see getting some surgery to stretch out wrinkles but to completely change your structure is an odd form of vanity.

Jennifer Grey is another one that is unrecognizable now.

jeffbr

It's her face/body, and she can do what she wants, but I agree with others - she was a natural beauty. Now she just looks like a clown. Perhaps it is because I'm in my 50's, but I don't understand the allure of puckered lips that makes women look like ducks, overly stretched, shiny skin on the face, gravity defying fake boobs.etc...

hedonist said:

It's OK to get older, it's OK to have lines on your face - they reflect all of the laughs and cries and frowns and years of living.

This sums it up perfectly for me.

Gern Blansten

jeffbr said:

It's her face/body, and she can do what she wants, but I agree with others - she was a natural beauty. Now she just looks like a clown. Perhaps it is because I'm in my 50's, but I don't understand the allure of puckered lips that makes women look like ducks, overly stretched, shiny skin on the face, gravity defying fake boobs.etc...

hedonist said:

It's OK to get older, it's OK to have lines on your face - they reflect all of the laughs and cries and frowns and years of living.

This sums it up perfectly for me.

I don't get the fake boobs either. Just from my facebook feed I've been amazed at how some of my "friends" are really happy to always be posting major cleavage, etc.

I can understand if there were self confidence issues but damn we all know they are fake...how is that better than natural?

HughFreakingDillon

I don't get it, but then again, I'm not a female celebrity. it is the pressure to remain young in their profession. the roles dry up when you reach 40 in hollywood as a female, with the rare exception (Meryl). the roles for men just get better. it's really sad that as a society we have put such unrealistic expectations on beauty and what it means to age gracefully (I thought it meant NOT surgery) for women, that if they want to keep working, they are basically forced to do this.

this is the fault of producers/directors/casting agents for creating this situation.

hedonist

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

rgambs

I don't think shaming is the right thing to do, but I do feel like it's a damn shame what women do to themselves out of vanity nowadays.
I understand the empowerment argument, "it's my body and I have a right to do what makes me happy" but (maybe this is me being arrogant, so be it) if that is what makes you happy, you have some serious issues. It won't make you happy anyways.

rgambs

hedonist said:

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

A big part of that is that its a geographical sickness. People with body/vanity issues flood the region and spread their body/vanity issues until it becomes an epidemic.
You are far more likely to find women with farmer tans, ball caps, overalls and boots, than botox, breast implants, and face lifts where I come from and live.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

A big part of that is that its a geographical sickness. People with body/vanity issues flood the region and spread their body/vanity issues until it becomes an epidemic.
You are far more likely to find women with farmer tans, ball caps, overalls and boots, than botox, breast implants, and face lifts where I come from and live.

and a woman in jeans, baseball cap, holding a beer, beats any fake boobs or smooth face any day of the week.

pjhawks

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

A big part of that is that its a geographical sickness. People with body/vanity issues flood the region and spread their body/vanity issues until it becomes an epidemic.
You are far more likely to find women with farmer tans, ball caps, overalls and boots, than botox, breast implants, and face lifts where I come from and live.

and a woman in jeans, baseball cap, holding a beer, beats any fake boobs or smooth face any day of the week.

agree with this. never understood the appeal of fake boobs. i understand why celebrities do this type of plastic surgery and botox but man i think they look horrible, almost non-human. it's not a good look in my opinion.

rgambs

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

A big part of that is that its a geographical sickness. People with body/vanity issues flood the region and spread their body/vanity issues until it becomes an epidemic.
You are far more likely to find women with farmer tans, ball caps, overalls and boots, than botox, breast implants, and face lifts where I come from and live.

and a woman in jeans, baseball cap, holding a beer, beats any fake boobs or smooth face any day of the week.

agree with this. never understood the appeal of fake boobs. i understand why celebrities do this type of plastic surgery and botox but man i think they look horrible, almost non-human. it's not a good look in my opinion.

They look good in sweaters and under jackets, which really shows the mindset of those getting them sometimes, that they are concerned with how the appear to the world at large, not their inner circle.
Believe it or not, they feel even worse than they look! Firm to the point of stiffness, with very little yield.

I used to help install them on women who'd had mastectomy surgery, one of several body modification ventures I, personally, support.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

hedonist said:

Seems more about self-exposure (image) vs celebrity, though both might be considered similar nowadays.

"Regular" women - and men - are doing this to themselves.

Take a drive around LA sometime! It's all over the place.

A big part of that is that its a geographical sickness. People with body/vanity issues flood the region and spread their body/vanity issues until it becomes an epidemic.
You are far more likely to find women with farmer tans, ball caps, overalls and boots, than botox, breast implants, and face lifts where I come from and live.

and a woman in jeans, baseball cap, holding a beer, beats any fake boobs or smooth face any day of the week.

agree with this. never understood the appeal of fake boobs. i understand why celebrities do this type of plastic surgery and botox but man i think they look horrible, almost non-human. it's not a good look in my opinion.

They look good in sweaters and under jackets, which really shows the mindset of those getting them sometimes, that they are concerned with how the appear to the world at large, not their inner circle.
Believe it or not, they feel even worse than they look! Firm to the point of stiffness, with very little yield.

I used to help install them on women who'd had mastectomy surgery, one of several body modification ventures I, personally, support.

I have seen many a fake breast on video, and most, if not all, look horribly weird. like two giant peaches on the chest. it's not natural. i don't think they look good under shirts either. you can tell a mile away they are fake.

my wife's boss had a double mastectomy because of cancer issues, and my wife says they look fantastic. not sure why porn stars get garbage jobs done and regular women get normal jobs done.

hedonist

Wow...I was going to list my family members who've had double mastectomies and realized there are so many.

Too many.

Most opted for reconstructive surgery, a couple didn't. To me, that's so on the opposite spectrum of what people choose to do to themselves in the name of vanity, misguidedness, attention...self-esteem too in some instances, I would imagine.

On the lighter side, fake boobs always remind me of that scene from LA Story with Sarah Jessica Parker and her real ones.

InHiding80

Looks wise, she was the Precursor to Rachel McAdams back in the day. Sad to see this happen. I read she's kind of stuck up as well.

mickeyrat

I think thats a bad pic to base an opinion specific to her on.

callen

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

hedonist

callen said:

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

Pretty sure the average Joe isn't losing sleep over Meg Ryan or other people who've had procedures done that make them look weird, fucked up and/or unnatural. These are observations.

How commenting on something ultimately innocuous and sharing thoughts on the overall topic ties to "nothing else compares to the shit going on in this world"...quite the stretch.

mickeyrat

hedonist said:

callen said:

Why would anyone care what another person does. Especially "Stars". How boring and petty. Look at all the magazines at check out. Unbelievable.

And how is this different than coloring ones hair or a tattoo? It's not.

In the meantime we have wars going on and people that discriminate due to stupid shit.

Pretty sure the average Joe isn't losing sleep over Meg Ryan or other people who've had procedures done that make them look weird, fucked up and/or unnatural. These are observations.

How commenting on something ultimately innocuous and sharing thoughts on the overall topic ties to "nothing else compares to the shit going on in this world"...quite the stretch.

well I got up a couple times last night. but that was just to pee.

Drowned Out

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

HughFreakingDillon

Drowned Out said:

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.

HesCalledDyer

hedonist said:

Honestly, I think she (along with many other women - and men) look just weird and unnatural with injections and removals and whatever else.

Shit, young women are doing that stupid glass thing on their lips to get them puckered. Why?

It's not a route I need or want to take (then again, I'm a wuss when it comes to any kind of medical procedure), and I just don't get that need to hold onto physical youth and chasing that facade.

It's OK to get older, it's OK to have lines on your face - they reflect all of the laughs and cries and frowns and years of living.

They reflect our life.

So yeah, pretty sad to me at least the length some go to.

And to what end?

Reminds me of the second verse in this song. Some of my favorite lyrics ever...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4U3mRWlpYQ

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Drowned Out said:

Well reading the thread title then the posts here is kinda chuckle worthy. I think it's kinda lame to make a woman whose self esteem and body image issues led them to go under the knife, feel like shit for getting implants or whatever else. Maybe they felt better about themselves and now we are making them feel self conscious about their implants. We can have our preferences but we can do that with positive comments about those preferences instead of negative ones about the things we don't like. I know I hate it when people make fun of my ass implants.
This is a 'fine line' kind of issue for which everyone draws their own line.
For the most part I have no issue with a little 'work'. It's when you start doing multiple procedures and changing your looks completely (esp when you already meet society's beauty standards) that it starts seeming more like a sickness than a will to 'improve'.

I am against appearance shaming of pretty much any kind, but, I wish people would just wake the fuck up and stop taking such drastic measures to alter their appearance. it's so vain and stupid. we should stop trying to look young. we age for a reason. people need to stop bowing to the idea that women need to remain ageless and just fucking let shit sag. if either of my daughters ever say they want to do it, I will send them to couselling immediately.

That's extreme. I don't think that will go over well with your daughters, lol.
My mother recently got a face lift. She's 70, and already looked young for her age. She didn't tell me she was going to do it because she knew I'd think it was crazy. So she avoided me for over a month while she healed and then surprised me with it, lol. And actually they did an excellent job. No one would ever know she got a face lift. They took off about 12 years I'd say, and it looks natural. So I asked her why in the fuck she did that, and she said because she feels so young in her head that when she looked at herself in the mirror she just couldn't reconcile what she looked like with how she felt, and it made her feel closer to death than she felt physically and mentally ...... fair enough. Is it vain? Yes. Did she do it because of how others perceive her? No. Does she enjoy it when people think she's in her early 50s when she's 70? For sure (it doesn't hurt that her body is super fit and trim still). Not because she cares about what others think of her, but because she feels like they are seeing how she really feels. It's like the facelift allowed others to see her more clearly. Does she need counselling because she got a face lift? Absolutely not. She's incredibly strong and 100% knows who she is. I didn't like that she did it.... but I get why she did, and there is nothing that I can really disrespect about her reasoning.
That said, many people DO do it because of how other perceive them, especially women. Why is that? Because of the horribly unrealistic expectations that society place on women when it comes to their appearances and because men buy into it, which leads to women trying to stay attractive to the men judging them (not to mention stupid bitchy women).

justam

I feel that it is very revealing of an insecure person when I see people who have obviously crossed the line from a little touch-up surgery to too much surgery.

In Florida, I used to see these older (usually blonde) women who had crossed the line trying to stay attractive and I felt that it was a reflection of several things. Their insecurity, their need to hold on to whatever power theirs looks gave them, OR just a straying husband who made them feel bad if they aged. It was not good all around!

For celebrities, especially actresses, it seems like their whole field drops them as soon as they start to age. They get less jobs, people make fun of them. It must be hard for them!

I wish people wouldn't feel so unloved when they start to age. It makes me sad to see the insecurity.

pjalive21

how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure

PJ_Soul

pjalive21 said:

how about we get to the root of the problem and deal with why the self esteem is so low (or too high for that matter) that you feel you have to do this to yourself. you were born the way you are appreciate it and value it...people trying to be and look something they are not due to social pressure

Especially tell that to the people judging everyone by how they look (which seems to be most people now). It goes right down to how people dress and do their hair and take care of their fingernails, etc, and most people on these boards are as guilty as anyone. Anyone who doesn't "conform" to other people's idea of what is or isn't appropriate or attractive are harshly judged by others (including those people who have botched face lifts, clearly!