Tool

dudeman

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

hedonist

Thoughts_Arrive said:

hedonist said:

The more I read/hear the lyrics, the more I like it.  Introspectively well-put, as usual.

Caligula would grin, indeed.

What does a Roman figure have to do with the album? Did I miss something in the songs?
I really need to spend some time trying to interpret these lyrics. I am clueless at the moment.
Can we all start discussing song interpretations here?

Is 7empest about a politician deceiving all of us?
Is Pnuema a spiritual song about us all being ONE? (kind of obvious).
What is Fear Inoculum? 
What is the psychopathy Maynard is singing about in Culling Voices?
What is it that is Descending?
Who is the warrior that is struggling to be consequential and that is proud in Invincible?

Could be us - most of us?

I feel ties in this theme to those of Right in Two and Vicarious, among others.

Yup, I've still got much to further think about with this album, lyrically.  That's just part of the beauty of Tool.

Bigrfish

dudeman said:

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

Ya Know, I felt kinda dumb after I bought my 2 tickets..knowing full well what would happen. I should have bought 4 so I could get the extras into the hands of fans like you at cost. I'm sure there are others who would do the same. With all of the media available I don't think it would be to hard to find a home for extra tix at face value. Maybe true fans can make a difference.

benjs

dudeman said:

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

What do you think the alternative is?

It starts with regions that are refusing to ban scalping - these behaviours permit the resale market to exist legally. At that point, Ticketmaster can take a portion of the scalping market by providing a secure transfer service (aka they take a portion of the final resale price and have people list on Ticketmaster), or they can do nothing and let the resale market exist outside of the Ticketmaster ecosystem. If you take Ticketmaster Verified Resale out of the picture, things just get marginally worse (by being less secure for buyers), but nothing else really changes. If they had no scalping ecosystem competitors, I'd say it'd be pretty ballsy, but with the current landscape I think it's fair.

PJNB

Bigrfish said:

dudeman said:

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

Ya Know, I felt kinda dumb after I bought my 2 tickets..knowing full well what would happen. I should have bought 4 so I could get the extras into the hands of fans like you at cost. I'm sure there are others who would do the same. With all of the media available I don't think it would be to hard to find a home for extra tix at face value. Maybe true fans can make a difference.

We are going to OLP,Bush,Live in Moncton Tuesday night. We got floor seats but I also bought immediate wing seats front row for family members. Yesterday after I transferred my tickets to them I got an email telling me due to production reasons my seats were not my seats anymore and that my new seats were 2 sections over and 5 rows back from where my original seats where. I asked them why this is possible they can do this and give me such shitty seats in comparison and the response I got back was there is nothing they could do but they were nice enough to offer up a refund.

It is funny too cause a month ago they did their platinum seats bullshit drop that happened months after the first public sale. We were front row and paid way too much for our tickets and got the best that we could at the time. Dead centre was not available when we got our tickets so we picked seats that where near Stones side. Anyways long story short they dropped their platinum tickets that were dead centre and they sat there for days. I emailed them asking if we could trade since the seats where now cheaper since no one was buying them and the price drops until someone bites. They said they can not do trades for seats like that. I did not put up a fuss but looking at it now its bullshit they get to move my family to shittier seats but when we want to better ourselves fuck no not a chance. 

So now they cancelled my tickets and gave me new tickets and I now have to explain to my sister in law that she has to delete those great seats I got her and she has to take ones that are beyond the red line. Fucking great. 

dudeman

benjs said:

dudeman said:

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

What do you think the alternative is?

It starts with regions that are refusing to ban scalping - these behaviours permit the resale market to exist legally. At that point, Ticketmaster can take a portion of the scalping market by providing a secure transfer service (aka they take a portion of the final resale price and have people list on Ticketmaster), or they can do nothing and let the resale market exist outside of the Ticketmaster ecosystem. If you take Ticketmaster Verified Resale out of the picture, things just get marginally worse (by being less secure for buyers), but nothing else really changes. If they had no scalping ecosystem competitors, I'd say it'd be pretty ballsy, but with the current landscape I think it's fair.

The alternative for me is to not deal with Ticketmaster. I will miss a lot of shows but that's OK with me. 

Thoughts_Arrive

#1 album on Billboards and ARIA

Mike D88

Thoughts_Arrive said:

hedonist said:

The more I read/hear the lyrics, the more I like it.  Introspectively well-put, as usual.

Caligula would grin, indeed.

What does a Roman figure have to do with the album? Did I miss something in the songs?
I really need to spend some time trying to interpret these lyrics. I am clueless at the moment.
Can we all start discussing song interpretations here?

Who is the warrior that is struggling to be consequential and that is proud in Invincible?

Invincible is one of the easier songs to follow I think. Our aging warrior, "once invincible," now finds himself struggling upon rejoining "the fray," which signals his slide into irrelevance. The line about Caligula illustrates the proud, remorseless cruelty of the warrior's past conquests.

Rather than accept his inevitable decline even as it races towards him ("Feeling time bearing down"), the warrior defiantly sets off in search of the Fountain of Youth ("Chasing Ponce de Leon's phantoms / So filled with hope / I can taste mythical fountains"). He doesn't find it, of course, but is compelled to make the attempt out of pride ("False hope perhaps / But the truth never got in my way"). One part that might be up to interpretation is the ending: I feel the climactic music signals the warrior dying while on his fool's quest.

That's the text, anyway. There's plenty to dig into metaphorically there--whether it refers to the band, or us, or maybe even Western civilization, I haven't decided yet.

Thoughts_Arrive

Interesting interpretation.

Thoughts_Arrive

Savage review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE

nicknyr15

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Savage review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE

I knew he wouldn’t like this album 8 years ago 

tbergs

nicknyr15 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Savage review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE

I knew he wouldn’t like this album 8 years ago 

He's not really that far off base here...

PJNB

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Savage review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE

I knew he wouldn’t like this album 8 years ago 

He's not really that far off base here...

Way off base. The album is great. 

tempo_n_groove

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Savage review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7xhuqw4DgE

I don't have a problem with this at all actually.

LC

Regardless of the opinions on MJK's vocal stylings and delivery on this album, the lyrics themselves are dominant.  I feel like Pneuma is basically Parabola Part 2...and the theme of the battle against father time in Invincible is awesome, IMO.

Zod

I find the album to be ok, mostly because I struggle with 12 minute plus songs.

If I were ranking all the tool albums from my favourite to my least favourite I'm fairly certain this one doesn't get anywhere near the top.   It's not bad, but it's not great either :(   That's me though.  I'm glad other people are enjoying it... maybe it'll grow on me with more listens.

pjl44

My experience with the album has been the better the audio setup, the better I feel about it. When I listen in the living room or car, it's overwhelming how good it is. If I'm walking the dog and wearing my bose frames, the songs don't grab me as much. 

FI is like Twin Peaks for me. It's all about a feeling vs. a traditional plot/song structure. Both give you just enough of the latter to keep it grounded, but I can absolutely see how they can be divisive. 

Lerxst1992

dudeman said:

benjs said:

dudeman said:

So, I sent Ticketmaster an email to voice my opinion on the Verified Resale system they have in place. 

Also, I will not be purchasing any tickets through them until their policies and fee structures change. 

This will probably fall on their deaf ears but it is the only thing I can do as a consumer. I can no longer contribute to their business model that places artist and customer needs last.

Those who were able to get tickets, enjoy the show!

What do you think the alternative is?

It starts with regions that are refusing to ban scalping - these behaviours permit the resale market to exist legally. At that point, Ticketmaster can take a portion of the scalping market by providing a secure transfer service (aka they take a portion of the final resale price and have people list on Ticketmaster), or they can do nothing and let the resale market exist outside of the Ticketmaster ecosystem. If you take Ticketmaster Verified Resale out of the picture, things just get marginally worse (by being less secure for buyers), but nothing else really changes. If they had no scalping ecosystem competitors, I'd say it'd be pretty ballsy, but with the current landscape I think it's fair.

The alternative for me is to not deal with Ticketmaster. I will miss a lot of shows but that's OK with me. 

I believe you said you were looking to go in Detroit? There are many options. 

Unfortunately Detroit is one of the more expensive shows but stub hub has lower levels for under $300 and uppers under $200. And more publicly available seats are usually added closer to the show date with Tool, unlike some if the other high demand bands.

If you are willing to travel a few hours, StubHub has lowers in Cleveland for under $200. If you dont want to buy from a reseller, Cincy has tons of face value seats still on sale. One of the few shows that did not immediately sell out.

If tool were one of those bands that did not let the market decide pricing and kept all the decent seats limited to an exclusive private sale, the options would be significantly more money imo. 

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dudeman

Thanks for looking into this. Driving isn't out of the question for me. I would pass on tickets from the secondary market unless they were face value. 

HughFreakingDillon

wow. that review was terrible. 4/10? you kidding? I haven't been a big tool fan in years, and this album single handedly brought me back into the fold. I sat in awe when I was listening to it.