So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
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So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
I started off thinking... I like it but the old albums are better.
Then I watched this. When these guys go off the deep end for Pnuema...quite entertaining
Edit, oops I completely missed "I've heard better this year. "
Music is subjective. But to someone that feels the complex polyrhythms of AJs magic, Tool is the ultimate. Their worst is elite. I better stop it or I'll get kicked off PJs forum
So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
Which albums?
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So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
Which albums?
Tedeschi Trucks-Signs and Raconteurs-Help Us Stranger are two that immediately come to my mind.
Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
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Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Definitely living up to all the hype. It’s really everything there has ever been to love about Tool on one album. I just wish as a band that has preached evolution they showed some growth. Those albums I mentioned have the stuff the bands are known for but some new sounds as well.
So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
To me it's the best album I've heard in a long time
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Invincible is growing on me something fierce... this song is amazing.
I take back what I said earlier in this thread about the last two minutes being unnecessary. I didn't realise they're the same lyrics as that synth part, it makes sense as it now fits to my ears and makes me love the song more.
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Invincible is growing on me something fierce... this song is amazing.
I take back what I said earlier in this thread about the last two minutes being unnecessary. I didn't realise they're the same lyrics as that synth part, it makes sense as it now fits to my ears and makes me love the song more.
I struggled with the synth part for a while, but I'm warming up to it...
The bass in the last two minutes is fantastic, as are all the instruments combined around the 4:00 mark & on... it's a really dynamic song, I can't wait to see it played live.
I love the lyrics. I like that synth part. Took me a while to love the last 2 minutes. Yes, the bass is awesome. Descending has great lyrics but it's the hardest song to get into. It feels like there's so much in there like with Tempest.
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I love the lyrics. I like that synth part. Took me a while to love the last 2 minutes. Yes, the bass is awesome. Descending has great lyrics but it's the hardest song to get into. It feels like there's so much in there like with Tempest.
Pnuma? Meh Descending? Yes please. That is starting to grab me now.
Pnuema is my probably my favourite on the album. That and Culling Voices are phenomenal.
The breakdown in Pneuma is fantastic, but the song as a whole has yet to REALLY grab me... same with Culling Voices. I don't dislike them, I just need more time with them (which is one of my favorite things about this band... if something doesn't click, come back to it later, odds are it will at some point)
Descending is probably my favorite, with Invincible gaining on it.
I really can't get enough of these 2 songs. In addition to Invincible, I'm really looking forward to hearing the full version of Descending live (I've only seen the shortened preview they were playing from 2015 right up until the debut of the song earlier this year).
Those two songs you love took me the longest to get into. Pnuema grabbed me on the first listen and by the second or third listens I was so excited and moved.
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Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Yes, exactly, of course it's subjective. I thought it was universally known that when someone says what they think about music it is their subjective opinion. Not to the mention the fact that I literally said "as far as I'm concerned." I sincerely don't get why people often feel the need to read what is obviously an opinion, and then make a case about how that's only an opinion and not a fact, lol. (and the haters thing... ugh, I won't even bother to comment further!)
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Yes, exactly, of course it's subjective. I thought it was universally known that when someone says what they think about music it is their subjective opinion. Not to the mention the fact that I literally said "as far as I'm concerned." I sincerely don't get why people often feel the need to read what is obviously an opinion, and then make a case about how that's only an opinion and not a fact, lol. (and the haters thing... ugh, I won't even bother to comment further!)
Your only contribution to the thread was to take a shit on the new record, so I'm not sure what sort of response you expected. It's not exactly a thoughtful critique. As a comparison, there's a reason I stay out of the Wilco and Jack White threads!
So many people are going bananas for this album.... I dunno, I can't say I really get the hype. I think it's kinda boring. It's only okay IMO. I would definitely not consider buying it. There are a ton of WAY better albums that have come out this year as far as I'm concerned. I'm a tad disappointed. I am happy for the band though - they must be pretty pleased with the general reception.
Which albums?
Just off the top of my head, I've preferred:
Gary Clarke Jr - This Land
Kevin Morby - Oh My God
The Raconteurs - Help Us Stranger
The National - I Am Easy to Find
Foals - Part 1 Everything Not Saved Will Be Lost
David Wax Museum - Line of Light
I don't even think all of these are super great (the first 3 are for sure). A couple of them are a bit overly folksy. I just liked them better than the new Tool album... And not for lack of trying with Tool. I've listened to it three times through, and it's just not really grabbing me, which sucks. That said, I don't hate the new Tool album. It's not like it's a new Pearl Jam album. It's just a bit of a meh for me, while it seems to be blowing other minds. The beginning is good... but then it starts feeling like I'm just listening to the same thing for too long. Which is too bad, because I do really dig the experimental elements of it. Some of that is truly impressive. As an overall start to finish listen? Not so much.
Edit, upon further thought, it's not the album as a whole that really gets old for me. It's each song. Each song starts great for me, but I'm kinda bored with it by the end in most cases. The songs are bloody long. I'm not always against super long songs (I'm a fan of live Led Zeppelin and Neil Young after all). But in this case, the long songs just get to be too much of the same thing. And by the time I'm 1/2 or 2/3 through the albums, I'm a little bit sick of the whole experience in general.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Yes, exactly, of course it's subjective. I thought it was universally known that when someone says what they think about music it is their subjective opinion. Not to the mention the fact that I literally said "as far as I'm concerned." I sincerely don't get why people often feel the need to read what is obviously an opinion, and then make a case about how that's only an opinion and not a fact, lol. (and the haters thing... ugh, I won't even bother to comment further!)
Your only contribution to the thread was to take a shit on the new record, so I'm not sure what sort of response you expected. It's not exactly a thoughtful critique. As a comparison, there's a reason I stay out of the Wilco and Jack White threads!
I truly did not expect your response (and it wasn't my only contribution to the thread). I thought everyone here was a bit more mature than that. This is a thread for thoughts about Tool, which I offered. Apparently I didn't live up to your high expectations as a music critic, lol. Also, I didn't "take a shit" on the new record FFS (it does seem like somebody shit in your corn flakes though!). And why would I stay out of the Tool thread?? I really like Tool. I only stay out of the threads where I couldn't care less about the artist. That isn't the case for me with Tool.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Meh it's subjective. Old mate saying there are WAY better albums out this year just means he likes he likes those albums WAY more. I don't care if there are negative opinions of FI, it's actually nice to see what they find negative about it. I will defend them for the hype though. Name one rock album other than Chinese Democracy that has had more hype/pressure on it. Maynard actually said the crippling fear was one of the reasons it took so long. Plus it's been less than three weeks. Takes me months to digest Tool albums and I love doing so.
Yes, exactly, of course it's subjective. I thought it was universally known that when someone says what they think about music it is their subjective opinion. Not to the mention the fact that I literally said "as far as I'm concerned." I sincerely don't get why people often feel the need to read what is obviously an opinion, and then make a case about how that's only an opinion and not a fact, lol. (and the haters thing... ugh, I won't even bother to comment further!)
Your only contribution to the thread was to take a shit on the new record, so I'm not sure what sort of response you expected. It's not exactly a thoughtful critique. As a comparison, there's a reason I stay out of the Wilco and Jack White threads!
I truly did not expect your response (and it wasn't my only contribution to the thread). I thought everyone here was a bit more mature than that. This is a thread for thoughts about Tool, which I offered. Apparently I didn't live up to your high expectations as a music critic, lol. Also, I didn't "take a shit" on the new record FFS (it does seem like somebody shit in your corn flakes though!). And why would I stay out of the Tool thread?? I really like Tool. I only stay out of the threads where I couldn't care less about the artist. That isn't the case for me with Tool.
Apologies on assuming you're not a Tool fan. But come on, re-read your post. And the very relevant meme is a joke.
I love how MJK enunciate the word Pneuma, the bass and the drums at all tracks, the lyrics of course.. Headphones or not, this is a masterpiece..at the same level with Lateralus..
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I started off thinking... I like it but the old albums are better.
Then I watched this. When these guys go off the deep end for Pnuema...quite entertaining
Edit, oops I completely missed "I've heard better this year. "
Music is subjective. But to someone that feels the complex polyrhythms of AJs magic, Tool is the ultimate. Their worst is elite. I better stop it or I'll get kicked off PJs forum
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Invincible is growing on me something fierce... this song is amazing.
I didn't realise they're the same lyrics as that synth part, it makes sense as it now fits to my ears and makes me love the song more.
I struggled with the synth part for a while, but I'm warming up to it...
The bass in the last two minutes is fantastic, as are all the instruments combined around the 4:00 mark & on... it's a really dynamic song, I can't wait to see it played live.
Descending has great lyrics but it's the hardest song to get into. It feels like there's so much in there like with Tempest.
That and Culling Voices are phenomenal.
The breakdown in Pneuma is fantastic, but the song as a whole has yet to REALLY grab me... same with Culling Voices. I don't dislike them, I just need more time with them (which is one of my favorite things about this band... if something doesn't click, come back to it later, odds are it will at some point)
Descending is probably my favorite, with Invincible gaining on it.
I really can't get enough of these 2 songs. In addition to Invincible, I'm really looking forward to hearing the full version of Descending live (I've only seen the shortened preview they were playing from 2015 right up until the debut of the song earlier this year).
Pnuema grabbed me on the first listen and by the second or third listens I was so excited and moved.
Headphones or not, this is a masterpiece..at the same level with Lateralus..
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