Is is safe to say Kong is the best/most desirable poster ever

sak300zx

MayDay10 said:

As far as most desireable... no.

1998s of course are in a different world. Hartford 96.

As far as post 98. Not including variants and such... i would say pj20 billboard would get the most responses if someone offered it up. Followed by cracker jack, then kong.

98s are the most expensive, but you rarely see people looking for them. Maybe because they're expensive.

Call me crazy but I don't like this at all, I guess it's because of the event more than the poster itself.

mcgruff10

Man I absolutely love hartford 2010 more than kong.

scurtis

I like some 98's, but never understood the fuss for some of them.

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Release EV

scurtis said:

I like some 98's, but never understood the fuss for some of them.

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Less hype. Typically lower print runs. Innocent prints. Less critique. People bought simply whether they liked or not. Not for investment. Not because others liked them. Not to fund tours. I would take those any day. No amount of variants can replace those rarities. People didn't care for them like now. So less available in mint. I know all this is not talking about the print style per se but it's why they are more coveted

sak300zx

Release EV said:

scurtis said:

I like some 98's, but never understood the fuss for some of them.

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Less hype. Typically lower print runs. Innocent prints. Less critique. People bought simply whether they liked or not. Not for investment. Not because others liked them. Not to fund tours. I would take those any day. No amount of variants can replace those rarities. People didn't care for them like now. So less available in mint. I know all this is not talking about the print style per se but it's why they are more coveted

true, but your comparing apples with oranges. in 1998 the Internet was not like it is now with people connecting. There couldn't be a huge market, because people wouldn't know what a poster looked like from different stops on the tour, only the concert they went to. There was also no e-commerce, no one would buy things online. There was no eBay.

But I will agree with you I hate the variants and multi poster shows like the baseball stadiums and Global Citizens, that seems very commercial to me. One show, one poster, move on.

derbydave

MayDay10 said:

As far as most desireable... no.

1998s of course are in a different world. Hartford 96.

As far as post 98. Not including variants and such... i would say pj20 billboard would get the most responses if someone offered it up. Followed by cracker jack, then kong.

AGREED!!
The '98 posters are just INCREDIBLE!!
After searching for YEARS...
I finally scored the poster for my Seattle '98 shows:



Love my Seattle '96 poster too...
it was much easier to find this one,
and much less expensive too:


My favorite poster from the 2010 tour was from Berlin...



I really like the symbolism of this poster.

I'd have to say the Munk One - Pittsburgh '13, Shuss Cracker Jack, PJ20 Billboard and even the Munk One - EV Seattle '11 are the modern classics for me!!

bootlegger10

I think the Kong (like most recent Ames posters) is overrated. They are like the Nickleback of poster producers (i.e., lets pick Transformers or Donkey Kong and the masses will go for it). They've figured out that all they need to do is put band members on the posters to sell it (Kentucky Six, Trieste 2014, Transformers NYC 2015, Mexico City 2015) and then make three variants of it. The masses love it but give me something actually creative by Sperry, EMEK, or Munk One any day.

sak300zx

derbydave said:

MayDay10 said:

As far as most desireable... no.

1998s of course are in a different world. Hartford 96.

As far as post 98. Not including variants and such... i would say pj20 billboard would get the most responses if someone offered it up. Followed by cracker jack, then kong.

AGREED!!
The '98 posters are just INCREDIBLE!!
After searching for YEARS...
I finally scored the poster for my Seattle '98 shows:



Love my Seattle '96 poster too...
it was much easier to find this one,
and much less expensive too:


My favorite poster from the 2010 tour was from Berlin...



I really like the symbolism of this poster.

I'd have to say the Munk One - Pittsburgh '13, Shuss Cracker Jack, PJ20 Billboard and even the Munk One - EV Seattle '11 are the modern classics for me!!

derbydave said:

MayDay10 said:

As far as most desireable... no.

1998s of course are in a different world. Hartford 96.

As far as post 98. Not including variants and such... i would say pj20 billboard would get the most responses if someone offered it up. Followed by cracker jack, then kong.

AGREED!!
The '98 posters are just INCREDIBLE!!
After searching for YEARS...
I finally scored the poster for my Seattle '98 shows:



Love my Seattle '96 poster too...
it was much easier to find this one,
and much less expensive too:


My favorite poster from the 2010 tour was from Berlin...



I really like the symbolism of this poster.

I'd have to say the Munk One - Pittsburgh '13, Shuss Cracker Jack, PJ20 Billboard and even the Munk One - EV Seattle '11 are the modern classics for me!!

derbydave said:

MayDay10 said:

As far as most desireable... no.

1998s of course are in a different world. Hartford 96.

As far as post 98. Not including variants and such... i would say pj20 billboard would get the most responses if someone offered it up. Followed by cracker jack, then kong.

AGREED!!
The '98 posters are just INCREDIBLE!!
After searching for YEARS...
I finally scored the poster for my Seattle '98 shows:



Love my Seattle '96 poster too...
it was much easier to find this one,
and much less expensive too:


My favorite poster from the 2010 tour was from Berlin...



I really like the symbolism of this poster.

I'd have to say the Munk One - Pittsburgh '13, Shuss Cracker Jack, PJ20 Billboard and even the Munk One - EV Seattle '11 are the modern classics for me!!

Excellent framing !!!! Totally make those posters much better. I've never seen that elephant poster either. That's a beauty.

sak300zx

bootlegger10 said:

I think the Kong (like most recent Ames posters) is overrated. They are like the Nickleback of poster producers (i.e., lets pick Transformers or Donkey Kong and the masses will go for it). They've figured out that all they need to do is put band members on the posters to sell it (Kentucky Six, Trieste 2014, Transformers NYC 2015, Mexico City 2015) and then make three variants of it. The masses love it but give me something actually creative by Sperry, EMEK, or Munk One any day.

bootlegger10 said:

I think the Kong (like most recent Ames posters) is overrated. They are like the Nickleback of poster producers (i.e., lets pick Transformers or Donkey Kong and the masses will go for it). They've figured out that all they need to do is put band members on the posters to sell it (Kentucky Six, Trieste 2014, Transformers NYC 2015, Mexico City 2015) and then make three variants of it. The masses love it but give me something actually creative by Sperry, EMEK, or Munk One any day.

I agree with you that Ames is definitely going back to the same well by putting the band's faces on different characters, i.e. Wrestlers, transformers, saints etc. but they do do it well. However, DK isn't like those...

Release EV

sak300zx said:

Release EV said:

scurtis said:

I like some 98's, but never understood the fuss for some of them.

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Less hype. Typically lower print runs. Innocent prints. Less critique. People bought simply whether they liked or not. Not for investment. Not because others liked them. Not to fund tours. I would take those any day. No amount of variants can replace those rarities. People didn't care for them like now. So less available in mint. I know all this is not talking about the print style per se but it's why they are more coveted

true, but your comparing apples with oranges. in 1998 the Internet was not like it is now with people connecting. There couldn't be a huge market, because people wouldn't know what a poster looked like from different stops on the tour, only the concert they went to. There was also no e-commerce, no one would buy things online. There was no eBay.

But I will agree with you I hate the variants and multi poster shows like the baseball stadiums and Global Citizens, that seems very commercial to me. One show, one poster, move on.

Fair points dude. Posters aside take me back to the 90s lol

JV140606

^^^^ yup!

on2legs

sak300zx said:

Release EV said:

scurtis said:

I like some 98's, but never understood the fuss for some of them.

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Less hype. Typically lower print runs. Innocent prints. Less critique. People bought simply whether they liked or not. Not for investment. Not because others liked them. Not to fund tours. I would take those any day. No amount of variants can replace those rarities. People didn't care for them like now. So less available in mint. I know all this is not talking about the print style per se but it's why they are more coveted

true, but your comparing apples with oranges. in 1998 the Internet was not like it is now with people connecting. There couldn't be a huge market, because people wouldn't know what a poster looked like from different stops on the tour, only the concert they went to. There was also no e-commerce, no one would buy things online. There was no eBay.

But I will agree with you I hate the variants and multi poster shows like the baseball stadiums and Global Citizens, that seems very commercial to me. One show, one poster, move on.

eBay was around in 1998. I was buying baseball cards like crazy on it back then. Wish I knew about PJ posters back then

EM194007

on2legs said:

eBay was around in 1998. I was buying baseball cards like crazy on it back then. Wish I knew about PJ posters back then

Had to go look at when I first started playing on ebay "Member since: May-06-98". But ebay wasn't anywhere near what it is today. My friend was a dealer for RCCA/Action, they made Nascar diecast, he wasn't doing great selling local, so, I helped him move his merch on ebay for a cut. Same here on the PJ posters. I remember that damn dial up sure was slow, compared to what we have today.

Ya, Kong is cool, but wouldn't say it's the best/most desirable poster ever.

If anyone has a 1998 West Palm Beach poster they want to get rid of, LMK, please. That's my grail at the moment, only show I've been to I don't have the poster.

elwayvedder

Kong is neat from a nostalgia point of view but doesn't do anything for me art wise. For me, a poster that creates thought or has a deep message is more attractive. I'd take BK's 2010 Ireland print over Kong for example.

wwsuicide

elwayvedder said:

Kong is neat from a nostalgia point of view but doesn't do anything for me art wise. For me, a poster that creates thought or has a deep message is more attractive. I'd take BK's 2010 Ireland print over Kong for example.

One of my all time favs!!

my2hands

elwayvedder said:

Kong is neat from a nostalgia point of view but doesn't do anything for me art wise. For me, a poster that creates thought or has a deep message is more attractive. I'd take BK's 2010 Ireland print over Kong for example.

Damn right

2-feign-reluctance

Comment earlier about the 98's is right on IMO. I attended 4 shows on that tour and bought one shirt & the general NA show poster with dates. That was it. My childhood best friend who came with me to the shows bought posters & a few years ago we found them in his basement. He gave me the Ames St.Louis (complete with tiny tack holes) and kept the others for awhile - eventually sold them and funded a trip to Disney World for his family of 4. He had no clue they were worth anything. The Chicago one alone he got around $600 for. My Ames is framed & 18 years later it has this almost vintage look to it. The print itself is so plain - not too busy like most of PJ's posters these days. It reminds me of tobacco baseball cards - slim design, plain. So fucking cool.

2-feign-reluctance

Getting that Ames ignited a short lived poster phase for me. After that I went after two Chuck Sperry prints he did for the Black Keys (2010, 2014) and was able to get both for less than $200. Those are professionally framed. I have my Ames PJ20 from the merch stand framed, 2004 VFC show dates poster, a mint 98' NA dates poster (to replace my original that got all ripped up moving around), and a few random mystery prints that I want to keep.

I've scored some great posters in those mystery sales. Got a Hawaii 2006 I traded for a copy of Binaural on vinyl, a Wrigley alien poster I used for some kind of trade on here & some 06' tour poster from some show in Europe I can't remember.

DavidD

scurtis said:

My fav print, kinda PJ related is the Neil Young Kozik from '93 I think

Koziks "High Bear" poster
My holy grail. I was able to score a A/P 3-4 years ago and just got it up in a frame last year
Love it!

my2hands

Give me DC 2006 over Kong 100% of the time

RoleModelsinBlood31

Interesting thread. Kong is alright but for me a poster needs to be able to be hung and guests need to be like woah, that's cool, dude. Kong just doesn't do it for me. Personally love the 96 Randall's/Seattle posters, Pitt 13 was really cool and a few others along the way. 98's and 96's are the top of the food chain to me.

Weston1283

Kong is probably the most desireable of the last 10 years, but I wouldn't say it's the best.

Pittsburgh 2013 poster is in my opinion the greatest PJ poster I've ever seen and my favorite piece of art I've ever owned.

MedozK

Weston1283 said:

Kong is probably the most desireable of the last 10 years, but I wouldn't say it's the best.

Pittsburgh 2013 poster is in my opinion the greatest PJ poster I've ever seen and my favorite piece of art I've ever owned.

Still wish I had my Pitt '13 AP, but I ended up selling it to fund a turntable... So at least every time I put a record on I can say its thanks to that print.

sak300zx

Weston1283 said:

Kong is probably the most desireable of the last 10 years, but I wouldn't say it's the best.

Pittsburgh 2013 poster is in my opinion the greatest PJ poster I've ever seen and my favorite piece of art I've ever owned.

I think if anything can be taken away from this really interesting discussion is that most people like the DK art, but have a personal preference of another print as "better". But, DK is the most desirable print to own in the post-2000 era, with Pitts 13 and Cracker Jack as 2 and 3

MayDay10

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Interesting thread. Kong is alright but for me a poster needs to be able to be hung and guests need to be like woah, that's cool, dude. Kong just doesn't do it for me. Personally love the 96 Randall's/Seattle posters, Pitt 13 was really cool and a few others along the way. 98's and 96's are the top of the food chain to me.

For me, this is a huge "litmus test". Cant hang the donkey kong in my living area... but it will be at the front of the libe when my basement gets finished. Should look terrific down there.

Right now, very visible and framed are cleveland 10 burwell, munk one ev seattle, toronto 09 klausen, msg 1 16 bioworkz, and munk one pj/10 club ap.

tempo_n_groove

Not understanding the love for the Lex print? It's cool but not drool worthy.

The first 3 posters from this tour are great, I think the Klausen is going to be a real sleeper.

To the OP I agree that the top 3 are DK, Crackerjack and Pitt.

The Wrigley Mural is desired too but there aren't enough of them out there...

tino_11

My all times faves:
Washington DC 2006
Pitts 2013
Sao Paolo 2015
Edmonton 2011
Dublin 2010

I like DK and understand why it's so desirable but it's not in the top bracket of all time posters IMO.

whofeelslikeadrank

sak300zx said:

Call me crazy

if you insist...

MayDay10

The pj20 mural is unique that we all watched them create the billboard that last day... then the posters were sold on a very limited drop

tempo_n_groove

MayDay10 said:

The pj20 mural is unique that we all watched them create the billboard that last day... then the posters were sold on a very limited drop

Same as Wrigley

Only 200 in the world!