Question for Hillary Clinton supporters.

Free

Oh, and the mud slinging? Are you kidding?? What would you like to say about Hillary on that topic?

Free

Productive legislative career... He's on his 2ndterm as senator, on the House of Representatives for 16 years. Nothing, much? You can read his lengthy contribution list.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/

brianlux

Politics aside, given the chance to sit and have coffee and chat, Bernie over Hillary any day.

Politics aside, which one would I trust in a situation calling for great faith in one of them for trustworthiness? Bernie by a mile. By 5,000 miles.

Who Princess

Free said:

ok, point out the assumptions and back them all up as assumptions. Because I have been researching all of this for years. I can prove everything I've written with credible sources.

Which brings another thing up,... People who prefer not to seek out truths or question their government tend to be those who are half-asleep or another word...DENIAL.

I'm talking about your assumptions that people who vote for Clinton are blindly settling for the same old same old. I don't consider Hillary a "safe" bet and I'm not afraid of change. I'm not a member of the 1% and am appalled by the income disparity in this country. I haven't lived a life a poverty but I've spent most of my work life (since the 1980s) with the working poor, disabled, and people who lack the safety nets most of us take for granted. I'm a community health worker at a public health department and I've previously been a caseworker. My husband works at a university library, so he's not pulling down six figures to subsidize my do-gooder career. I've personally see how the "entitlements" that Repos decry are designed to make it as difficult for people as possible to receive them. I also live in a ridiculously conservative state (Texas), where the political climate depresses me. I'm also extremely idealistic.

But I also know about compromise and trying to work within systems. Politics has changed a lot over the past generation--that rigidity serves nothing and no one, no matter which party expresses it. I've witnessed some scary political times--I lived through the Reagan years, for god's sake--and I am finding this the weirdest election cycle I've ever seen. But the Democratic party started to fall apart after the 1968 convention and they're still figuring out how to regroup. Now the Repos are falling apart and their bigotry and selfishness have wrought Donald Trump. I look forward to watching their party implode, although it will probably take some time.

You seem to think that compromise is "settling" and that this election comes down to all or nothing. It's not that simple and never has been. Less than desirable or downright despicable people are elected to office and most of us continue on the best we can. I will keep on trying to make a difference and I don't have to vote for Bernie to do it.

Free

Yeah, WhoP, I revised my post to make more sense. Read my edit.

hedonist

Who Princess said:

Free said:

ok, point out the assumptions and back them all up as assumptions. Because I have been researching all of this for years. I can prove everything I've written with credible sources.

Which brings another thing up,... People who prefer not to seek out truths or question their government tend to be those who are half-asleep or another word...DENIAL.

I'm talking about your assumptions that people who vote for Clinton are blindly settling for the same old same old. I don't consider Hillary a "safe" bet and I'm not afraid of change. I'm not a member of the 1% and am appalled by the income disparity in this country. I haven't lived a life a poverty but I've spent most of my work life (since the 1980s) with the working poor, disabled, and people who lack the safety nets most of us take for granted. I'm a community health worker at a public health department and I've previously been a caseworker. My husband works at a university library, so he's not pulling down six figures to subsidize my do-gooder career. I've personally see how the "entitlements" that Repos decry are designed to make it as difficult for people as possible to receive them. I also live in a ridiculously conservative state (Texas), where the political climate depresses me. I'm also extremely idealistic.

But I also know about compromise and trying to work within systems. Politics has changed a lot over the past generation--that rigidity serves nothing and no one, no matter which party expresses it. I've witnessed some scary political times--I lived through the Reagan years, for god's sake--and I am finding this the weirdest election cycle I've ever seen. But the Democratic party started to fall apart after the 1968 convention and they're still figuring out how to regroup. Now the Repos are falling apart and their bigotry and selfishness have wrought Donald Trump. I look forward to watching their party implode, although it will probably take some time.

You seem to think that compromise is "settling" and that this election comes down to all or nothing. It's not that simple and never has been. Less than desirable or downright despicable people are elected to office and most of us continue on the best we can. I will keep on trying to make a difference and I don't have to vote for Bernie to do it.

Great post, Who P. The bolded part, right on. LIFE is not that simple and never has been.

Never will be.

Free

But there is no compromise between Clinton and Sanders. She took a few of his selling points to make herself look more like him, then recently told a publication she's not going any further left (The Hill newspaper). She's not exactly trying to compromise when she ridicules Sander's supporters. She is publicly saying that now is the time for compromise and calling Sanders to stop his campaign. Why should this happen when it's a close race? She does NOT have this in the bag. She is attempting to intimidate and the media is right there with her.

Free

It's a very individual decision. Make yours carefully, and never ever ASSUME. When we assume we settle. And settling is never good.

This quote of mine means to not assume who's the right candidate for the job without doing homework: legislative histories, candidate platforms and their histories, truthfulness, foreign policy, domestic policy, and trustworthiness.

Saying something like she should win because she "seems right for the job", "has experience", can easily be based on assumption and not knowing the facts.

hedonist

Free said:

But there is no compromise between Clinton and Sanders. She took a few of his selling points to make herself look more like him, then recently told a publication she's not going any further left (The Hill newspaper). She's not exactly trying to compromise when she ridicules Sander's supporters. She is publicly saying that now is the time for compromise and calling Sanders to stop his campaign. Why should this happen when it's a close race? She does NOT have this in the bag. She is attempting to intimidate and the media is right there with her.

Everyone ridicules each other in the lovely world of politics. Whether politicians or their supporters. Even in many of the threads in this forum. Seems to be the name of the game (and sad that it does seem to be a game these days).

In the bag? I never count my chicks before they're...yada yada.

what dreams

Free said:

It's a very individual decision. Make yours carefully, and never ever ASSUME. When we assume we settle. And settling is never good.

This quote of mine means to not assume who's the right candidate for the job without doing homework: legislative histories, candidate platforms and their histories, truthfulness, foreign policy, domestic policy, and trustworthiness.

Saying something like she should win because she "seems right for the job", "has experience", can easily be based on assumption and not knowing the facts.

So you're saying it's not factual that Clinton has experience?