One Guns n' Roses ticket cost me almost the same amt as all four PJ Fenway and Wrigley Shows

Zod

There is the part of me that doesn't feel that it's very rock n' roll to have all arena/stadium concerts end by 11pm on the money (give or take 15 minutes). As assaholic as it is to start late, it feels a little rock n' roll to blow through a curfew. Of course PJ does it with more style. In 2013 they played until 12:30am in Vancouver, way past the 11pm curfew (must of taken a big fine for it).

I think Axl has been fairly reliable during his tours with the hired hands. The one that turned into a mini-riot in Vancouver '02, was because the venue cancelled the show (due to curfew and axl showing up late). I think there was a festival in Europe that cut the set short because of curfew. If you book the guy, you know they play late. What kind of idiot books gnr into a venue that has zero wiggle room to play past 11pm?

pjalive21

I was mad they dropped the St. Louis show on the 25th anniversary of the riot....I was hoping to see riot part 2

I agree with what most have said GnR changed the musical landscape from the 80's hairbands to blistering rock and roll

PJ_Soul

RKCNDY said:

Brisk. said:

How much was a regular GNR ticket...?

Last night, $10

I checked TM for pit tickets $1746 face, from venue.

That's ridiculous. I don't understand why anyone would pay that at this point. They must be people who haven't seen his more recent performances/trainwrecks on youtube.

SVRDhand13

buck502000 said:

I would pay 300 to see PJ in a small club

Easily

mwplum

That's ridiculous. I don't understand why anyone would pay that at this point. They must be people who haven't seen his more recent performances/trainwrecks on youtube.

If you've only seen bits and pieces (such as footage from Friday's show that was a $10 warm up at a small club), I would highly recommend checking out footage/setlist from Vancouver 2011, and some of the last setlists from Vegas in 2014. Axl sounds great, the band was playing 3 hour+ shows, and they were revitalized.

While it's easy to slag on them now, I would be more interested in seeing their Vegas setlists/footage from this coming weekend (the first real shows) as an indicator of what to expect for this tour.

mwplum

Just for clarity....That first paragraph of my last post was a quote from PJSoul's post, not sure why the quote part was taken out.

dcp3y

Catching GNR in Nashville - front row upper deck. Lowest price ticket to see them although running buddy did buy the fan club membership to secure them before general public on sale date. Trading him one 10C reserved for Lexington in exchange (cost equivalent). We will get closer seats in Lexington for sure. Also, heading to Wrigley shows so my 2016 concert count: GNR 1, PJ 3 (PJ wins!). Wanting Izzy to rejoin GNR as he only stated that he wouldn't be part of the April shows - so the door is cracked for the summer although not too hopeful that will work out given erratic nature of GNR. I'd love to see the true Appetite line-up come July. I did catch Velvet Revolver several years back in Atlanta, so have some basis for what such a show may entail (late start, short set, going through the motions, etc) - just getting the Axl helmed version this time and hoping for a better experience. Odds of that are probably equal to a coin flip.

edwho

https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

love the hair band argument

lolobugg

IZZY. IZZY. IZZY!!!
He has got to be there. just not the same without him.

Zod

PJ_Soul said:

That's ridiculous. I don't understand why anyone would pay that at this point. They must be people who haven't seen his more recent performances/trainwrecks on youtube.

It is. That's why they're not sold out. Quite often the VIP packages are insane amounts of money. The same people who would buy them for that much off stubhub (people with alot more wealth that most of us) are the same kind of people that would would buy them.

The thing is that VIP packages don't always sell. Eventually unsold VIP tickets usually end up going as a ticket drop to the general public. I've gotten some really good tickets to shows because I bookmarked the TM page and managed to grab some tickets from the leftover VIP tix.

1700 is insane... but it's no harm to them.... it keeps people from being able to flip them on stubhub because they charge stubhub style pricing. If they don't sell, they sell 'em for less later on. From a business standpoint, it's no harm no foul.

edwho

rgambs

edwho said:

https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

love the hair band argument

That video speaks for itself in both video and audio lol
If they killed the hair bands, they did it by being the best hair band around.

RoleModelsinBlood31

rgambs said:

edwho said:

https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

love the hair band argument

That video speaks for itself in both video and audio lol
If they killed the hair bands, they did it by being the best hair band around.

Yep, hard to argue with that when you see the hair in that video. But they were way way harder than hair band music to me. Remember "get in the ring?" Lol, that's no where near hair band, that's just straight aggressive as hell. Hair bands were softer and less distortion to my ears. To me not a hair band but I totally see if you were 2 at the time you'd lump them into that group

jamburger

G'n'R is to hair band as
this guy is to heavy metal...

coco butter

GNR and Metallica were considered Heavy Metal back in the late 80's and early 90's. Bands like Poison, Def Leppard, Motley Crew and Whitesnake were the Hair Bands. GNR would play in a garage and pass out from drinking gasoline. Poison would play at fitness club and drink mimosas. I can't wait to see GNR at least once this summer.

edwho

Hollywood Rose at Madame Wong's East on June 28, 1984

google images Axl big hair...hours of fun.
~

and if its merch sales keeping our PJ tickets affordable, long live dog collars

Zod

coco butter said:

GNR and Metallica were considered Heavy Metal back in the late 80's and early 90's. Bands like Poison, Def Leppard, Motley Crew and Whitesnake were the Hair Bands. GNR would play in a garage and pass out from drinking gasoline. Poison would play at fitness club and drink mimosas. I can't wait to see GNR at least once this summer.

Yah, GNR got me out of Hair Metal. I listed to alot of Def Leppard as a kid, but GNR was like setting fire to gasoline. I guess people think GNR is hair metal because of how they are dressed in the welcome to the jungle video, but they were far from the poppy hair metal genre. GNR felt like rock music on fire. It was raw. Definitely a bridge to the grunge music that followed them a few years later.

Poncier

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

edwho said:

https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

love the hair band argument

That video speaks for itself in both video and audio lol
If they killed the hair bands, they did it by being the best hair band around.

Yep, hard to argue with that when you see the hair in that video.

Judging the band by their looks is silly.
That video is the one and only time you see Axl with his hair all teased out like that, after that always just straight (until the corn rows kicked in after he lost his marbles). Said in an interview back then that it wasn't his choice and after seeing it decided never again.

If you define them as a hair band because they had long hair, well then
isn't Led Zeppelin a hair band:



In fact weren't The Beatles at one point a hair band...



Hair band is the stupidest moniker the media ever came up with, much dumber than grunge.

rgambs

Zod said:

coco butter said:

GNR and Metallica were considered Heavy Metal back in the late 80's and early 90's. Bands like Poison, Def Leppard, Motley Crew and Whitesnake were the Hair Bands. GNR would play in a garage and pass out from drinking gasoline. Poison would play at fitness club and drink mimosas. I can't wait to see GNR at least once this summer.

Yah, GNR got me out of Hair Metal. I listed to alot of Def Leppard as a kid, but GNR was like setting fire to gasoline. I guess people think GNR is hair metal because of how they are dressed in the welcome to the jungle video, but they were far from the poppy hair metal genre. GNR felt like rock music on fire. It was raw. Definitely a bridge to the grunge music that followed them a few years later.

It was definitely more raw and explosive, very heavy stuff. To argue against that would make no sense, the point I have been failing to make is that stylistically they fall into the same category.

rgambs

Poncier said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

rgambs said:

edwho said:

https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

love the hair band argument

That video speaks for itself in both video and audio lol
If they killed the hair bands, they did it by being the best hair band around.

Yep, hard to argue with that when you see the hair in that video.

Judging the band by their looks is silly.
That video is the one and only time you see Axl with his hair all teased out like that, after that always just straight (until the corn rows kicked in after he lost his marbles). Said in an interview back then that it wasn't his choice and after seeing it decided never again.

If you define them as a hair band because they had long hair, well then
isn't Led Zeppelin a hair band:



In fact weren't The Beatles at one point a hair band...



Hair band is the stupidest moniker the media ever came up with, much dumber than grunge.

It isn't just a judgement on looks though, the basic makeup and sound of the band is the exact same archetype as the hair bands. As I mentioned before, a screeching falsetto singer, a heavy but uncelebrated rhythm section, and soaring, powerful lead guitar.
Don't get me wrong, some of the greatest bands ever share some of all of those characteristics (even Zep and Pearl Jam) but the formula was getting stale.
Did GNR rip it open and tear it down with raw explosiveness? Sure, maybe they did, but it isn't realistic to credit them as a new sound or style.