Over and out!

BS44325

gimmesometruth27 said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

I do? When did I say I hate Trump? I am greatly disturbed by what he stands for and I'm very concerned that so many people fall for his crap but why would I hate Donald Trump? That's like saying I hate venomous snakes or tsunamis that kill people or falling rocks that give people concussions. Donald Trump is a piece of the living earth as are snakes, tsunamis and rocks. You cannot hate a part of the planet without hating the whole and I do not hate our planet. I love our planet so in a strange way, I love Donald Trump. But do I love what he stands for and the hatred he promotes. No way! You may think I'm being facetious, but I am not.

Oh. My bad I guess. Confusing your calling of Trump "Hitler" to be hate. I see now how one can be mistaken. Like when people state that Trump "hates" mexicans...wait...does he hate them? They are pieces of the living earth. Maybe he loves them as well?

i don't think anybody is calling trump hitler.

but they are comparing his rise to hitler's rise. not just liberals, but actual historians. scholars who have studied nazi germany their whole lives are citing similarities. watch a documentary on hitler's rise and the similarities are striking.

you can't be full hitler until you start blaming jews for your problems.

trump blames illegal immigrants for our problems.

he blames people on welfare or unemployed for our problems.

he blames muslims for our problems.

he blames protesters for his problems.

he has blamed sanders for his problems. but blaming one jewish person does not make him hitler.

Brian is calling Trump "Hitler" as are many others.

BS44325

What do we have here...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/12/video-anti-gun-protesters-storm-stage-ted-cruz-rally

Now people are storming the stage at Ted Cruz events. Is that because of his dangerous tone as well? People need to stop celebrating this nonsense and stop making social media heroes out of these idiots.

TL170678

Censoring Trump, like him or not is bullshit, UnAmerican, Marxist behavior.

catefrances

TL170678 said:

Censoring Trump, like him or not is bullshit, UnAmerican, Marxist behavior.

im a marxist.... i dont want to censor anybody...trump will be censored through absence soon enough. this time next year itll all seem like a very very bad acid flashback.

rgambs

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.

That means nothing when it's taken into consideration that you refuse to even acknowledge that Trump is spouting racist, xenophobic, and misogynist BS.
Discredited in your books?
What a joke.

You still haven't done anything at all to dispute the similarities in use of racist fearmongering to elevate himself and facism.
Easier to just say it's crazy than to actually deal with it.

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.

That means nothing when it's taken into consideration that you refuse to even acknowledge that Trump is spouting racist, xenophobic, and misogynist BS.
Discredited in your books?
What a joke.

You still haven't done anything at all to dispute the similarities in use of racist fearmongering to elevate himself and facism.
Easier to just say it's crazy than to actually deal with it.

It's very easy to insult people when you don't like their opinion.
But what do I know I'm just a woman.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.

That means nothing when it's taken into consideration that you refuse to even acknowledge that Trump is spouting racist, xenophobic, and misogynist BS.
Discredited in your books?
What a joke.

You still haven't done anything at all to dispute the similarities in use of racist fearmongering to elevate himself and facism.
Easier to just say it's crazy than to actually deal with it.

It's very easy to insult people when you don't like their opinion.
But what do I know I'm just a woman.

What insult?

Your last statement sounds like you have been mentoring under Trump.
I don't know why you would say such a thing, but I shouldn't be surprised, your posts are inscrutable as often as not.

JC29856

gimmesometruth27 said:

That's classic

rgambs

JC29856 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

That's classic

Ahahahhahaha that's so good!! It would be funny the other way around too.

rgambs

JC29856 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

That's classic

Ahahahhahaha that's so good!! It would be funny the other way around too.

brianlux

rgambs said:

JC29856 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

That's classic

Ahahahhahaha that's so good!! It would be funny the other way around too.

Hahaha!! So funny!

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

I do? When did I say I hate Trump? I am greatly disturbed by what he stands for and I'm very concerned that so many people fall for his crap but why would I hate Donald Trump? That's like saying I hate venomous snakes or tsunamis that kill people or falling rocks that give people concussions. Donald Trump is a piece of the living earth as are snakes, tsunamis and rocks. You cannot hate a part of the planet without hating the whole and I do not hate our planet. I love our planet so in a strange way, I love Donald Trump. But do I love what he stands for and the hatred he promotes. No way! You may think I'm being facetious, but I am not.

Oh. My bad I guess. Confusing your calling of Trump "Hitler" to be hate. I see now how one can be mistaken. Like when people state that Trump "hates" mexicans...wait...does he hate them? They are pieces of the living earth. Maybe he loves them as well?

i don't think anybody is calling trump hitler.

but they are comparing his rise to hitler's rise. not just liberals, but actual historians. scholars who have studied nazi germany their whole lives are citing similarities. watch a documentary on hitler's rise and the similarities are striking.

you can't be full hitler until you start blaming jews for your problems.

trump blames illegal immigrants for our problems.

he blames people on welfare or unemployed for our problems.

he blames muslims for our problems.

he blames protesters for his problems.

he has blamed sanders for his problems. but blaming one jewish person does not make him hitler.

Brian is calling Trump "Hitler" as are many others.

No, I never called him Hitler. Hitler is Hitler, Trump is Trump. But there are some similarities. What I'm saying is, they espouse some of the same kinds of hatred. Trump will never take it to the level Hitler did. That much I think we learned because of Hitler. But the bigger problem isn't Trump, it's many of his followers. Many of his followers are acting the way Hitler's followers did with blind acceptance of a figure who promises to "make [insert country name] strong again". These Trump sycophants get sucked into his ranting and raving, shit-stirring hate based rhetoric and see him as their salvation.

Jason P

Ironic: Man protesting against Trump inciting violence does it by inciting violence.

JimmyV

Jason P said:

Ironic: Man protesting against Trump inciting violence does it by inciting violence.

Not the first time I've wished we had a :nodding: emoticon.

brianlux

In what way was DiMassimo inciting violence?

JimmyV

brianlux said:

In what way was DiMassimo inciting violence?

Charging through the Secret Service to get at a presidential candidate is creating a situation that could turn violent quickly.

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

In what way was DiMassimo inciting violence?

I don't think he was running up there to hug him...

InHiding80

I've seen many trolls on the IMDB politics section label him a "lib hero" and a "has been" even though they love has beens like Nuge, Voight, Janine Turner et al.

I've never even heard of this person until now.

InHiding80

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

Chris Walken stood up to Martin Sheen. Where's cowbell when you need him to shake Drumpf's hand?

InHiding80

I don't see the point in stage rushing now that Drumpf might finally get arrested.

jeffbr

JimmyV said:

Jason P said:

Ironic: Man protesting against Trump inciting violence does it by inciting violence.

Not the first time I've wished we had a :nodding: emoticon.

Thomas DiMassimo is a tool. He got arrested for disorderly conduct and inducing panic. Hopefully he serves a little time for it. Wish he'd seen the mean end of the taser as well. Protests outside of a venue are one thing (and I support them). Going into a building to shut down speech is another (and my support wanes). Rushing the stage to try to get past a secret service security detail to access a presidential candidate is an entirely different level and the guy should be made an example of.