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By the way, check out how bogus Trump's assertions are that DiMassimo has ties with ISIS. That was weak.

London Bridge

brianlux said:

By the way, check out how bogus Trump's assertions are that DiMassimo has ties with ISIS. That was weak.

Yeah, about as weak as DiMassimo thinking that rushing the stage wasn't a threat

brianlux

London Bridge said:

brianlux said:

By the way, check out how bogus Trump's assertions are that DiMassimo has ties with ISIS. That was weak.

Yeah, about as weak as DiMassimo thinking that rushing the stage wasn't a threat

At least the guy didn't lie.

CH156378

Not smart.

brianlux

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

Free

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

Yes!

CH156378

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

brianlux

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

JimmyV

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

BS44325

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.

brianlux

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

He looked for something and he found it.
Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.

BS44325

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

I cannot believe you or anyone can condone what this guy did. Seriously. The guy jumps a fence and charges a candidate. Do you really think that's ok? Do you want someone to seriously get hurt? God forbid a death? Nobody could know in real time if that guy had a weapon. You applaud him now in hindsight but the next time some clown wants to become a media sensation he might just get shot. Is that what you want Brian? Please tell me you have thought this through.

JimmyV

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

Thanks to the poise and restraint of the Secret Service. Rushing a presidential candidate in this environment isn't brave, it is stupid. What happens next time when someone is determined to be a more of a threat? What about if this becomes the norm and a legitimate threat gets through?

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

He looked for something and he found it.
Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.

Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.

brianlux

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.

I stand discredited your your book, BS.

catefrances

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

He looked for something and he found it.
Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.

Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.

It is the best example. Greenpeace is cloudy because of the extremes some of its members take and because of that other environmental agencies have a tough time standing out as realistic.
This protester is the shining example of how not to get your point across.

brianlux

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

brianlux said:

JimmyV said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

brianlux said:

CH156378 said:

Not smart.

Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?

I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach.
I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.

Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.

I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.

So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?

These are not easy questions.

When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

He looked for something and he found it.
Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.

Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.

It is the best example. Greenpeace is cloudy because of the extremes some of its members take and because of that other environmental agencies have a tough time standing out as realistic.
This protester is the shining example of how not to get your point across.

Greenpeace is cloudy because it is bogged down in it's own bureaucracy. But perhaps we're straying a bit here.

In any case, it seems to me the man made his point. More people will here what he has to say than all of the people who read all of the posts on these forums.

catefrances

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

brianlux

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

JC29856

Trump reaction reminded me of a scared cop.
Poor planning on the guys part. Should have had an accomplice create a diversion.

BS44325

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

catefrances

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?

JC29856

If he couldn't get an accomplice then use a flash bang grenade or couple M80s. Trumps reaction would have been hilarious.

PJfanwillneverleave1

catefrances said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?

Interesting.

josevolution

Def not smart move to rush the podium ..

catefrances

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

catefrances said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?

Interesting.

how so?

brianlux

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

brianlux said:

And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?

I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.

brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...

These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.

hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???

as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.

So true!

"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young

Except you hate Trump.

I do? When did I say I hate Trump? I am greatly disturbed by what he stands for and I'm very concerned that so many people fall for his crap but why would I hate Donald Trump? That's like saying I hate venomous snakes or tsunamis that kill people or falling rocks that give people concussions. Donald Trump is a piece of the living earth as are snakes, tsunamis and rocks. You cannot hate a part of the planet without hating the whole and I do not hate our planet. I love our planet so in a strange way, I love Donald Trump. But do I love what he stands for and the hatred he promotes. No way! You may think I'm being facetious, but I am not.