Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
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brianlux
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Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.
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brianlux
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Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
He looked for something and he found it. Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
I cannot believe you or anyone can condone what this guy did. Seriously. The guy jumps a fence and charges a candidate. Do you really think that's ok? Do you want someone to seriously get hurt? God forbid a death? Nobody could know in real time if that guy had a weapon. You applaud him now in hindsight but the next time some clown wants to become a media sensation he might just get shot. Is that what you want Brian? Please tell me you have thought this through.
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
Thanks to the poise and restraint of the Secret Service. Rushing a presidential candidate in this environment isn't brave, it is stupid. What happens next time when someone is determined to be a more of a threat? What about if this becomes the norm and a legitimate threat gets through?
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brianlux
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Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
He looked for something and he found it. Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.
Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni
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brianlux
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Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
To make this comparison is beyond ridiculous. People who make it are beyond discredited in my books. Sorry but it officially makes one far more part of the problem then the solution.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
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this could be the day
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lie beside me
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Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
He looked for something and he found it. Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.
Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.
It is the best example. Greenpeace is cloudy because of the extremes some of its members take and because of that other environmental agencies have a tough time standing out as realistic. This protester is the shining example of how not to get your point across.
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brianlux
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And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,936
Probably not something I would do but wouldn't it be great if someone had stood up to Hitler?
I dont know about this one. Obviously it would of been great for someone to kill Hitler. Some even question wheather we would kill baby Hitler. I'm just saying lots of people like to compare Obama to Hitler. I don't want the other side thinking it's ok to rush the stage when hes making a speach. I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
Someone compared Obama to Hitler? I've never heard that.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
When it comes to Trump I trust in our political process, Brian. We have discourse to discredit him and elections to defeat him. Trying to hijack his rallies is a losing strategy.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
He looked for something and he found it. Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.
Greenpeace may not be the best example here. Greenpeace "bears witness". A group like Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, on the other hand, takes action. (It sad that so many don't know the difference and why this is important). DiMassimo did not bear witness, he took action. How effective that action is certainly open to debate.
It is the best example. Greenpeace is cloudy because of the extremes some of its members take and because of that other environmental agencies have a tough time standing out as realistic. This protester is the shining example of how not to get your point across.
Greenpeace is cloudy because it is bogged down in it's own bureaucracy. But perhaps we're straying a bit here.
In any case, it seems to me the man made his point. More people will here what he has to say than all of the people who read all of the posts on these forums.
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
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brianlux
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And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
Except you hate Trump.
trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?
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And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
Except you hate Trump.
trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?
And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
Except you hate Trump.
trump is such a hateable individual... im just disappointed in the shit he espouses. how does one come to the opinions he has? does he truly believe the divisive rhetoric he spews or is he simply putting on a show?
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And you may be right. But what about trying to put an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate?
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
brian, the sooner you accept that as long as mankind is alive there will never be an end to racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate, the better off you'll be. there has never been peace and there never will be. its human nature.. and so long as humans walk the earth there always will be conflict and discontent. its a sad indictment on us as a species but i believe no matter how big our brain is and how much we'd like to think we're above animalistic actions, we're not. though having said that it doesn't mean we should stop trying. I just think we need to redirect our efforts into ending the root causes of those conflicts ie lack of food and water security, poverty, inaccess to education etc...
These are very good points, Cate. Viewed from that perspective, my own belief is that to go to the root cause of all our problems we need to start working very soon and very hard on cleaning up our oceans and protecting marine life. Everything hinges on that. If we did that and secured our viability as a species, then solving problems of lack of food and water etc would come next in priorities, for sure. It's just that besides these things, I have a really, really big problem with hatred against groups of humans for whatever reason.
hate requires so much negative energy I don't know how anyone can be bothered with it. what the hells the point of hate anyway???
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
So true!
"Love and Only Love will break it down Hate is everything you think it is." -Neil Young
Except you hate Trump.
I do? When did I say I hate Trump? I am greatly disturbed by what he stands for and I'm very concerned that so many people fall for his crap but why would I hate Donald Trump? That's like saying I hate venomous snakes or tsunamis that kill people or falling rocks that give people concussions. Donald Trump is a piece of the living earth as are snakes, tsunamis and rocks. You cannot hate a part of the planet without hating the whole and I do not hate our planet. I love our planet so in a strange way, I love Donald Trump. But do I love what he stands for and the hatred he promotes. No way! You may think I'm being facetious, but I am not.
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I'm fine with interruptions and protests but rushing the stage is a threat.
I agree that rushing the stage was a bit over the top but it could also be argued that what Trump is all about is far more than simply over the top.
So let's look at this. If we could all agree that Trump is racist, misogynistic, hate mongering and power-hungry (it really hard to argue that he is not those things) and that this is what he is doing and spreading, what is the best way to bring attention to this? If someone is kicking a kitten or a baby or robbing an old lady on the street or killing whales in a whale sanctuary- those things are illegal so you do what it takes to stop them. But what do you do about something that is immoral like spreading hate and encouraging violence? Do you sit by idly and hope the guy will just go away? Or do you put your own well being and freedom at risk and take a stand?
These are not easy questions.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I don't know much about DiMassimo or his prowess at utilizing strategy but it seems to me that he did a good job of using the media (McCluhanism at its best) to make a point that reached a lot of ears and minds.
Like those over the top greenpeace protesters their message gets lost in the fray.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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This protester is the shining example of how not to get your point across.
In any case, it seems to me the man made his point. More people will here what he has to say than all of the people who read all of the posts on these forums.
as a species I dint think humans are viable long term. we are our own worst enemy and the biggest threat to ourselves. sadly the turnaround required to extend our longevity on this planet is beyond us... and that's okay in the big scheme of things cause perhaps we weren't meant to last that long anyways. everything has a used by date.. except crocodiles, those magnificent beings have been around for so much longer than we could ever hope to be. and that in itself is a valuable lesson for the so called most intelligent creature on earth. why have crocs lasted so long? they are perfect biologically and have adapted to their environment in kind... something mankind seems incapable of doing. we're so intent on bending everything in our environment to our will we dont stop and think that perhaps a more symbiotic relationship is needed for survival. but as I said before perhaps we as a species just aren't meant to last all that long. we surely cant be the epitome of primate evolution... or then again maybe we are; which is a sad thought indeed. so much potential wasted... such a big brain wasted on destruction of self and environment.
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"Love and Only Love will break it down
Hate is everything you think it is."
-Neil Young
Poor planning on the guys part. Should have had an accomplice create a diversion.
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