Is the USA a nation of bigots and/or racists and/or idiots and hypocrites?
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Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
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I’m referring to the San Bernardino shooting from 2-3 years go. Multiple neighbors came forward during the investigation and admitted they saw suspicious behavior, but didn’t report it out of fear of being called racist just like what happened to this woman.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Huh?cincybearcat said:
Yup. That’s true. I wonder if also part of it was 2 males joining the group late. I mean we’ve let guys get away with a lot and it’s finally being highlighted as the awful behavior it is.Bentleyspop said:
Because we have a racist-in-chief who encourages this kind of ignorant racist behaviorThirty Bills Unpaid said:Bentleyspop said:
I saw this.
At first, I thought it was 'fake news' because how does something like this happen?
Holy Christ.
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Your dismissal of the incident sounded like something Tesm Trump Treason would have said had he been asked to explain it. How often do you get “questioned” by anyone going about your business. And what authority did the women who questioned them have to question them? Their white privilege? Who the fuck were they to question them? What authority did they have?mace1229 said:
What does Trump have to do with this story? Profiling has existing a very long time if you think that’s what happened. Happened when Obama was in office and pretty much every president before him.Halifax2TheMax said:
A very Team Trumpian Treason explanation.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
And none of that changes the facts of the situation. They showed up late, were believed to not be part of the group, seems like they didn’t cooperate when questioned, and admittedly were acting odd.
Ibsaid infeel bad for them and the situation sucks, But I’m not surprised nor do I think it’s really newsworthy. Had they just provided the same information to the tour group that they gave the police instead of not cooperating with them this would have been avoided.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Listen, I think it sucks what happened. I’m not saying the mom did the right thing.
Im just saying after every shooting you hear everyone say things like “people should have seen something,” or “why didn’t anyone say anything, witnesses say he was acting weird but didn’t do anything.”
But when someone does everyone jumps on them for being racists. We can’t have it both ways.
maybe the mom was racist, maybe she’s a horrible person, I don’t know. But nothing from this story alone tells me that.
There are more explanations than people are racist. We live in a paranoid country fearing the next school shooting. I am very convinced that had she not said something and something bad did happen, far more people would be calling her a coward for not coming forward. But she’s a racist if she does.0 -
Please post a link to a story where the cops were called on a white person for being someplace they had every right to be, bonus points if the caller was black, Hispanic or Asian.mace1229 said:
Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
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2 makes joining a college tour group late.... sexual predators? I mean could be stalking fresh meatThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Huh?cincybearcat said:
Yup. That’s true. I wonder if also part of it was 2 males joining the group late. I mean we’ve let guys get away with a lot and it’s finally being highlighted as the awful behavior it is.Bentleyspop said:
Because we have a racist-in-chief who encourages this kind of ignorant racist behaviorThirty Bills Unpaid said:Bentleyspop said:
I saw this.
At first, I thought it was 'fake news' because how does something like this happen?
Holy Christ.
Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?
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Are you being serious? You really don’t think white people get the police called on them? If you really believe that, this conversation isn’t worth continuing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please post a link to a story where the cops were called on a white person for being someplace they had every right to be, bonus points if the caller was black, Hispanic or Asian.mace1229 said:
Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
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Post a link to a similar situation involving a white person having every right to be where they were and weren’t doing anything wrong. You’re claiming it happens all the time.mace1229 said:
Are you being serious? You really don’t think white people get the police called on them? If you really believe that, this conversation isn’t worth continuing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please post a link to a story where the cops were called on a white person for being someplace they had every right to be, bonus points if the caller was black, Hispanic or Asian.mace1229 said:
Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
This is straight up racist bullshit.
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Surely there’s some examples of two white dudes hanging out in a Starbucks having the cops called on them?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I had the cops called on me about a year ago. Had a day off work and tried Pokémon Go. Was walking by an elementary school and 2 cops stopped me and questioned me for about 5 minutes, took my info, ran my driver’s license and I went on my way. I was told multiple parents called 911 on me because I was walking by an elementary school while it was getting out that happened to be 5 houses down from where I live.
i didn’t make any complaints, I didn’t care. Concerned parents we’re concerned a 35 year old man was walking down the sidewalk. Whatever, life went on.
Not the first time cops were called on me for something fairly innocent.
my experience with that game was short lived.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
Or a white guy having been in a car accident and knocking on a black home owners door seeking assistance and being shot to death.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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mace1229 said:
Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
This is straight up racist bullshit.
There is nothing about the story that suggests it isn't racially motivated. Nothing about the teens' behaviour that's out of the ordinary for any teen in an unfamiliar situation. Except that they were on a college tour in Colorado, and weren't white, so they must not belong.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Why did the woman even call 911? Isn't 911 for urgent threats? If she felt so strongly that they "didn't belong", why didn't she ask the tour leader if they were, you know, registered for the tour?
I think this woman is a racist moron who should seriously rethink how she approaches the world, if the presence of two quiet first nations young men unnerves her.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I believe they did ask if they were on the tour, that was part of the suspicious behavior. They joined late and didn’t respond to any questions. The article doesn’t say exactly what was asked, but that they ignored all questions from the group. I could assume at least one of them was about being part of the tour.oftenreading said:Why did the woman even call 911? Isn't 911 for urgent threats? If she felt so strongly that they "didn't belong", why didn't she ask the tour leader if they were, you know, registered for the tour?
I think this woman is a racist moron who should seriously rethink how she approaches the world, if the presence of two quiet first nations young men unnerves her.
someone said they teach their kids not to answer questions from adults. I don’t know why. I don’t see what is so wrong when someone joins a group to just ask “hey, this is a registered tour that has already started, are you sure you’re in the right place?” What’s wrong with that? Why would anyone teach their kids not to answer questions? I ask and answer questions every day I’m in public: “excuse me, are you in line or can I go?” Part of society to ask and answer basic questions. Not a big deal at all in my opinion. And to flat out refuse I would consider to be odd behavior and can completely understand why this Mom thought they were not part of the group.
Again, I don’t think the mom did the right thing.
im just saying in a culture where we promote “if you see something, say something” I don’t know why this is shocking and I dont immediately jump to the racist conclusion.
youre right, 911 is for emergencies, she shouldn’t have called it. Should not have happened, she should not have called 911.
I’m still not ready to convict her in the court of public opinion as being a racist.
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I would hope it would take a bit more than being late for a tour to be suspected rapists.cincybearcat said:
2 makes joining a college tour group late.... sexual predators? I mean could be stalking fresh meatThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Huh?cincybearcat said:
Yup. That’s true. I wonder if also part of it was 2 males joining the group late. I mean we’ve let guys get away with a lot and it’s finally being highlighted as the awful behavior it is.Bentleyspop said:
Because we have a racist-in-chief who encourages this kind of ignorant racist behaviorThirty Bills Unpaid said:Bentleyspop said:
I saw this.
At first, I thought it was 'fake news' because how does something like this happen?
Holy Christ.
Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?
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When I am up to no good, I join tour groups on a college campus. so much mischief to be had!
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At age 48, I could’ve joined that college tour late, and I fully guarantee you no one would’ve called the cops.mace1229 said:
Are you being serious? You really don’t think white people get the police called on them? If you really believe that, this conversation isn’t worth continuing.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please post a link to a story where the cops were called on a white person for being someplace they had every right to be, bonus points if the caller was black, Hispanic or Asian.mace1229 said:
Do you have any reason to believe this? Plenty of cops get called for suspicious white people. Do you have any reason to believe this was racially motivated? Other than the fact they weren’t white there was nothing about this story that comes across as targeting minorities. People report white people all the time, shootings have been prevented because of it.oftenreading said:
Odds are very very very low that the parent would have felt they “didn’t belong” if they were white. We also tell kids they don’t have to answer questions from adults they don’t know that don’t have any business questioning them.mace1229 said:
I don't know why this was surprising to anyone, and, honestly, don't know why it made big news.Bentleyspop said:
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the boys. But considering the following;
We live in a society where mass shootings are not rare, this creates the "See something say something" movement.
The boys apparently lacked social norms and appeared odd. They don;t even deny this, they defend it by saying they are "shy."
The parent(s) was convinced they were not part of the tour because they arrived late and apparently did not cooperate with the parents when they became concerned.
I didn't listen to the 911 tape, but nothing from the quotes I read sounded racist. She was convinced they were not part of the tour and was not sure why they were lingering around with such odd behavior.
Now imagine this situation with a different outcome. Imagine they did come to hurt people. How many people would be casting blame on that parent for not saying something? What do you think the outrage would be if the public found out 2 people not part of the tour was following them around with "odd" behavior and something horrible did happen. How often has that been the case ad people cast the blame on witnesses for not speaking up? It happens with nearly every mass shooting. So you have this mother who is convinced these boys do not belong here and are not part of the group. She sees them behaving oddly, they refuse to cooperate with the people in the tour when asked questions. Are you really surprised someone came forward? Do you really blame her? Do you really think it was racially motivated? Ot maybe just paranoid with the violence that is on the news every day?
It seems like the police handed it fine. Asked them just a few questions and let them go on their way.
If we call everyone racists when they report someone with odd behavior, how do we expect them to say something when they see something? We can;t expect them to be right 100% of the time, but everyone sure is willing to blame others when they miss a red flag.
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LolSmellyman said:When I am up to no good, I join tour groups on a college campus. so much mischief to be had!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I went on the tour of CSU campus for prospective students 2 years ago.
Our group had a very culturally diverse dynamic of kids and parents from all over the country.
If a couple of Native American kids had shown up late, checked in with the tour leader as these kids did, and did their own thing, I seriously doubt anyone would have called 911.
As far as I' concerned this is pure racism driven by ignorance.0
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