Trump

rgambs

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.

How many troops did he support with his state, local and real estate taxes?

Ahhhh...so if you don't pay more taxes then you're legally required too then you don't support the troops. I get it. I was under the impression that it is evil republicans who question people's patriotism.

You are always forgetting that these criticisms of Trump are meant to point out his glaring his hypocrisy, not the critic's genuine concerns.

Sure but I don't see in this situation how it shows him to be particularly "hypocritical". He doesn't deny taking advantage of the rules of the system to benefit his business while running to change the rules now that he's chosen a different calling. The attack just seems to fall flat with me. The New York Times is throwing out a big loss from 1995 without saying much else. Will the price tag make people care? I just don't know.

You don't see the hypocrisy in being the head of the party that demonizes poor people for taking advantage of the rules and then doing so for millions more dollars?

Trump is not doing this.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/trump-taxes-twitter.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http://m.facebook.com/

mrussel1

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.

How many troops did he support with his state, local and real estate taxes?

Ahhhh...so if you don't pay more taxes then you're legally required too then you don't support the troops. I get it. I was under the impression that it is evil republicans who question people's patriotism.

You are always forgetting that these criticisms of Trump are meant to point out his glaring his hypocrisy, not the critic's genuine concerns.

Sure but I don't see in this situation how it shows him to be particularly "hypocritical". He doesn't deny taking advantage of the rules of the system to benefit his business while running to change the rules now that he's chosen a different calling. The attack just seems to fall flat with me. The New York Times is throwing out a big loss from 1995 without saying much else. Will the price tag make people care? I just don't know.

You don't see the hypocrisy in being the head of the party that demonizes poor people for taking advantage of the rules and then doing so for millions more dollars?

Trump is not doing this.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/trump-taxes-twitter.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http://m.facebook.com/

BAHHAHAHHAHAHAH. These were great! What a fucking hypocrite. You could run these tweets with an overlay of his "because I'm smart" or "I'm a genius" comments and it would be a killer ad.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/172772609627394049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

dignin

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.

How many troops did he support with his state, local and real estate taxes?

Ahhhh...so if you don't pay more taxes then you're legally required too then you don't support the troops. I get it. I was under the impression that it is evil republicans who question people's patriotism.

You are always forgetting that these criticisms of Trump are meant to point out his glaring his hypocrisy, not the critic's genuine concerns.

Sure but I don't see in this situation how it shows him to be particularly "hypocritical". He doesn't deny taking advantage of the rules of the system to benefit his business while running to change the rules now that he's chosen a different calling. The attack just seems to fall flat with me. The New York Times is throwing out a big loss from 1995 without saying much else. Will the price tag make people care? I just don't know.

You don't see the hypocrisy in being the head of the party that demonizes poor people for taking advantage of the rules and then doing so for millions more dollars?

Trump is not doing this.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/trump-taxes-twitter.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=http://m.facebook.com/

Great find, case closed.

InHiding80

He now has a 29 % chance of winning on Nate Silvers site.

That PTSD remark was a new low. I even searched on Facebook to see any dittoheads who would spin and defend it. A couple of them did and even had open comments to everyone and I basically chewed them out and trolled those apologist scum because I'm gangsta like that.

mrussel1

InHiding80 said:

He now has a 29 % chance of winning on Nate Silvers site.

That PTSD remark was a new low. I even searched on Facebook to see any dittoheads who would spin and defend it. A couple of them did and even had open comments to everyone and I basically chewed them out and trolled those apologist scum because I'm gangsta like that.

Where did you troll? Breitbart? That place is just the best. It's so utterly unhinged.

The Juggler

She's starting to pull ahead and Johnson's support is waning....

HughFreakingDillon

Bentleyspop said:

Hope the people who support drumpf sleep well..

Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who 'can't handle it'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/

the thing is, this to me just falls into the category of "he meant well but he's just a terrible public speaker". he doesn't know how to get his point across on the most basic level, and this quote is evidence of that. I really believe he was not meaning that those that commit suicide are "weak", just that mental health access for people with PTSD is an issue.

I could be giving him way too much credit, but I think, as is the case in many other instances, people jump on him for a comment because it's him and they frame it a certain way because of that.

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Hope the people who support drumpf sleep well..

Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who 'can't handle it'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/

the thing is, this to me just falls into the category of "he meant well but he's just a terrible public speaker". he doesn't know how to get his point across on the most basic level, and this quote is evidence of that. I really believe he was not meaning that those that commit suicide are "weak", just that mental health access for people with PTSD is an issue.

I could be giving him way too much credit, but I think, as is the case in many other instances, people jump on him for a comment because it's him and they frame it a certain way because of that.

I doubt the meaning well part.
It's clear that he can't get his point across on a basic level, but his point usually comes from a shitty perspective to begin with.
This is a pattern with Trump, he fails to see suffering and hardship and accept it, he seems only to be able to view such things from the perspective of those who are not effected. It's always about strength vs weakness with Trump, and his ridiculous ego would never allow him to admit, accept, or make concessions for perceived weakness.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Hope the people who support drumpf sleep well..

Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who 'can't handle it'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/

the thing is, this to me just falls into the category of "he meant well but he's just a terrible public speaker". he doesn't know how to get his point across on the most basic level, and this quote is evidence of that. I really believe he was not meaning that those that commit suicide are "weak", just that mental health access for people with PTSD is an issue.

I could be giving him way too much credit, but I think, as is the case in many other instances, people jump on him for a comment because it's him and they frame it a certain way because of that.

I doubt the meaning well part.
It's clear that he can't get his point across on a basic level, but his point usually comes from a shitty perspective to begin with.
This is a pattern with Trump, he fails to see suffering and hardship and accept it, he seems only to be able to view such things from the perspective of those who are not effected. It's always about strength vs weakness with Trump, and his ridiculous ego would never allow him to admit, accept, or make concessions for perceived weakness.

I know what you are saying, but I think he honestly has a soft spot for those that have served. you are right, he seems to have zero empathy for civilians, but I think he might actually have some geniune feelings for those in the military, especially those that have been to war. just a hunch.

I honestly hope people take it the way you did....means he is one step closer to his concession speech blaming rosie odonell for eating his microphone.

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bentleyspop said:

Hope the people who support drumpf sleep well..

Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who 'can't handle it'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/

the thing is, this to me just falls into the category of "he meant well but he's just a terrible public speaker". he doesn't know how to get his point across on the most basic level, and this quote is evidence of that. I really believe he was not meaning that those that commit suicide are "weak", just that mental health access for people with PTSD is an issue.

I could be giving him way too much credit, but I think, as is the case in many other instances, people jump on him for a comment because it's him and they frame it a certain way because of that.

I doubt the meaning well part.
It's clear that he can't get his point across on a basic level, but his point usually comes from a shitty perspective to begin with.
This is a pattern with Trump, he fails to see suffering and hardship and accept it, he seems only to be able to view such things from the perspective of those who are not effected. It's always about strength vs weakness with Trump, and his ridiculous ego would never allow him to admit, accept, or make concessions for perceived weakness.

I know what you are saying, but I think he honestly has a soft spot for those that have served. you are right, he seems to have zero empathy for civilians, but I think he might actually have some geniune feelings for those in the military, especially those that have been to war. just a hunch.

I honestly hope people take it the way you did....means he is one step closer to his concession speech blaming rosie odonell for eating his microphone.

Hahaha that's a nice image!

I disagree, I think he looks down on service members as much, or maybe more, as anyone else.
From his bone spur deferment to his McCain comments, his Khan family attack, his charity events for veterans that never yeild money to veterans...etc
It's all another way to endear himself to his jingoistic, red meat, low class base.

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

She's starting to pull ahead and Johnson's support is waning....

Yes. Last week I made a comment that the race is retreating to a traditional left/right narrative. When that happens, third parties start to fall. That seems to happen every election cycle as people start realizing that one of these two (whichever two) will be president. I think Gary's latest flub last week on Hardball hurt him even on top of the natural course of the race. Bernie has also brought up a few comments about how if his supporters looked at the Johnson's platform, they would see how he does not represent their interests. This is very, very true.

Degeneratefk

"...it allows me to reinvest in neighborhood workers, building amazing structures all over the place...."

Thats why he avoided paying taxes for 20 years. Thanks Drumpf.

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

She's starting to pull ahead and Johnson's support is waning....

Yes. Last week I made a comment that the race is retreating to a traditional left/right narrative. When that happens, third parties start to fall. That seems to happen every election cycle as people start realizing that one of these two (whichever two) will be president. I think Gary's latest flub last week on Hardball hurt him even on top of the natural course of the race. Bernie has also brought up a few comments about how if his supporters looked at the Johnson's platform, they would see how he does not represent their interests. This is very, very true.

Exactly....I don't see how a Sanders supporter could vote for Johnson. Makes no sense at all.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

She's starting to pull ahead and Johnson's support is waning....

Yes. Last week I made a comment that the race is retreating to a traditional left/right narrative. When that happens, third parties start to fall. That seems to happen every election cycle as people start realizing that one of these two (whichever two) will be president. I think Gary's latest flub last week on Hardball hurt him even on top of the natural course of the race. Bernie has also brought up a few comments about how if his supporters looked at the Johnson's platform, they would see how he does not represent their interests. This is very, very true.

Exactly....I don't see how a Sanders supporter could vote for Johnson. Makes no sense at all.

That I agree with. The implication (if I'm reading things right here) that third parties are irrelevant I don't agree with.

mrussel1

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

She's starting to pull ahead and Johnson's support is waning....

Yes. Last week I made a comment that the race is retreating to a traditional left/right narrative. When that happens, third parties start to fall. That seems to happen every election cycle as people start realizing that one of these two (whichever two) will be president. I think Gary's latest flub last week on Hardball hurt him even on top of the natural course of the race. Bernie has also brought up a few comments about how if his supporters looked at the Johnson's platform, they would see how he does not represent their interests. This is very, very true.

Exactly....I don't see how a Sanders supporter could vote for Johnson. Makes no sense at all.

That I agree with. The implication (if I'm reading things right here) that third parties are irrelevant I don't agree with.

No judgment made on third parties at all. I was pointing out that the election is retreating to its normal left/right tendencies where the third parties pull far less than 5%. That doesn't mean they can't affect an election (see Nader and Perot obviously). I think Johnson's lack of international experience and knowledge has really hurt him recently though. You can see in the most recent state polls that his support dumped dramatically.

Degeneratefk

I'm very surprised at how bad Johnson is on his feet. He would get smoked if he was on that debate stage.

Jason P

I don't want to defend the clown, but news headlines have been pretty liberal with the PTSD quote. They are taking three words and adding them to a sentence he didn't say.

Gern Blansten

“When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat — and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” Trump said. “And they see horror stories. They see events that you couldn’t see in a movie. Nobody would believe it.”


Trump said basically "some of you are strong enough to handle it...others aren't"

That's bullshit.

rgambs

I shudder thinking about the sheer volume of stupid shit this man would excrete from his mouth in 4 years of being POTUS, particularly after 8 years of Obama. He has been classy, dignified, and intelligent with his statements. He is unassailable in that regard.

I can only think of a single thing he said that was a stupid thing to say, which was:
"...You didn't build that..."

mrussel1

rgambs said:

I shudder thinking about the sheer volume of stupid shit this man would excrete from his mouth in 4 years of being POTUS, particularly after 8 years of Obama. He has been classy, dignified, and intelligent with his statements. He is unassailable in that regard.

I can only think of a single thing he said that was a stupid thing to say, which was:
"...You didn't build that..."

"clinging to your guns and religion" was silly too, regardless of the accuracy. But you are absolutely right. Trump says more dumB things in 20 minutes than Obama has in 9 years of campaign and office.