Trump

pjalive21 · October 2016

Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there

Gern Blansten · October 2016

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there

Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds

Gern Blansten · October 2016

http://thehill.com/latino/298979-clinton-ad-uses-trump-hotel-worker-against-him

ouch

Gern Blansten · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:
Well shit. I wish I could be as unsuccessful as Trump then. I'd be a multi-millionaire!
I understand about all the speculation about Trump's actual worth, etc. But we actually know nothing, and no matter where his businesses stand, the dude is still a rich mofo and has a looooooooong business career where billions were bought and sold, and had a long-running hit reality show to boot. It's not like he's now destitute. I assume he did waste a whole shit load of his own money on this election though. I bet he regrets that.
Hold on....unsuccessful doesn't necessarily mean he is flat broke

I'm just stating the obvious. If someone loses $1billion dollars in a year they lose the right to call themselves successful.

Not if he had 2 billion. I guess I just don't consider a person unsuccessful overall just because he suffers a big business failure here and there but keeps on going. If that had ended his entire career and forced him to sell off all of his assets and then retire, I'd agree with you. But when someone with a massive financial/property empire has a really bad year but keeps on going and immediately launches a recovery, I definitely don't consider that person unsuccessful. I consider it a successful person who had a really bad year. I'm sure things like that happen to most of the world's billionaires. All of these suffer failures in their worlds of big business.
And the reason I'm "defending" this position is because I want criticisms against Trump (and Clinton) to be honest, righteous criticisms. I don't think that is happening with either candidate, and it fucks up the whole election process IMO.
If he had $2bil then he lost 50% of his net worth via a tax loss. That's bad. That's not a decline in value...that's value that ran out the door in cash or debt that has to be paid back later.

And yes businesses lose money...people lose money....but those people aren't on TV telling us how great they are.

the last statement is the crux of the issue, and really, all of the issues surrounding trump. for anyone else, no, it's not "unsuccessful". but when you build yourself up as the most successful man on the planet, it is tantamount to lying. his whole campaign is "I'm a super-rich super-successful business man, that's why you should elect me", damn skippy that's relevant.

Gern Blansten · October 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:
Well shit. I wish I could be as unsuccessful as Trump then. I'd be a multi-millionaire!
I understand about all the speculation about Trump's actual worth, etc. But we actually know nothing, and no matter where his businesses stand, the dude is still a rich mofo and has a looooooooong business career where billions were bought and sold, and had a long-running hit reality show to boot. It's not like he's now destitute. I assume he did waste a whole shit load of his own money on this election though. I bet he regrets that.
Hold on....unsuccessful doesn't necessarily mean he is flat broke

I'm just stating the obvious. If someone loses $1billion dollars in a year they lose the right to call themselves successful.

Not if he had 2 billion. I guess I just don't consider a person unsuccessful overall just because he suffers a big business failure here and there but keeps on going. If that had ended his entire career and forced him to sell off all of his assets and then retire, I'd agree with you. But when someone with a massive financial/property empire has a really bad year but keeps on going and immediately launches a recovery, I definitely don't consider that person unsuccessful. I consider it a successful person who had a really bad year. I'm sure things like that happen to most of the world's billionaires. All of these suffer failures in their worlds of big business.
And the reason I'm "defending" this position is because I want criticisms against Trump (and Clinton) to be honest, righteous criticisms. I don't think that is happening with either candidate, and it fucks up the whole election process IMO.
If he had $2bil then he lost 50% of his net worth via a tax loss. That's bad. That's not a decline in value...that's value that ran out the door in cash or debt that has to be paid back later.

And yes businesses lose money...people lose money....but those people aren't on TV telling us how great they are.
the last statement is the crux of the issue, and really, all of the issues surrounding trump. for anyone else, no, it's not "unsuccessful". but when you build yourself up as the most successful man on the planet, it is tantamount to lying. his whole campaign is "I'm a super-rich super-successful business man, that's why you should elect me", damn skippy that's relevant.

I can tell you this....if I was worth $10billion I would liquidate everything and make myself whole with everyone I screwed over along the way. Trump could do that and still have $3billion left over (IN CASH!!!) if he is worth what he says he is.

He's not worth shit folks...smoke and mirrors.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds

Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bothered to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

Gern Blansten said:

That's funny!

mrussel1 · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds
Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bother to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.

Well the media is speculating because the only thing they know is that he claimed a 954 MM loss AND that loss would ALLOW him to not pay taxes for 18 years going forward. So there's nothing else teh media can do but speculate. But the interesting part is that the Trump campaign has not denied it. Nor have they committed to release something that refutes it. Therefore the conclusion the media is drawing is that it's true. Remember that his surrogates went on TV yesterday claiming he was a genius, not that it's false.

mrussel1 · October 2016

The other thing is that the NYT reporter that got this stuff said "no comment" when asked if she received anything else that they are working on...

PJ_Soul · October 2016

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds
Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bother to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.
Well the media is speculating because the only thing they know is that he claimed a 954 MM loss AND that loss would ALLOW him to not pay taxes for 18 years going forward. So there's nothing else teh media can do but speculate. But the interesting part is that the Trump campaign has not denied it. Nor have they committed to release something that refutes it. Therefore the conclusion the media is drawing is that it's true. Remember that his surrogates went on TV yesterday claiming he was a genius, not that it's false.

Right. Which means the media should be focusing on other shit until they actually have something to report. There is plenty to choose from!! The media is failing everyone even more than usual right now.

Gern Blansten · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds
Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bother to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.
Well the media is speculating because the only thing they know is that he claimed a 954 MM loss AND that loss would ALLOW him to not pay taxes for 18 years going forward. So there's nothing else teh media can do but speculate. But the interesting part is that the Trump campaign has not denied it. Nor have they committed to release something that refutes it. Therefore the conclusion the media is drawing is that it's true. Remember that his surrogates went on TV yesterday claiming he was a genius, not that it's false.
Right. Which means the media should be focusing on other shit until they actually have something to report. There is plenty to choose from!! The media is failing everyone even more than usual right now.

They've been failing everyone for months. They have been giving Trump free advertising forever...time to call the fucker out.

pjalive21 · October 2016

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds
Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bother to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.
Well the media is speculating because the only thing they know is that he claimed a 954 MM loss AND that loss would ALLOW him to not pay taxes for 18 years going forward. So there's nothing else teh media can do but speculate. But the interesting part is that the Trump campaign has not denied it. Nor have they committed to release something that refutes it. Therefore the conclusion the media is drawing is that it's true. Remember that his surrogates went on TV yesterday claiming he was a genius, not that it's false.
Right. Which means the media should be focusing on other shit until they actually have something to report. There is plenty to choose from!! The media is failing everyone even more than usual right now.
They've been failing everyone for months. They have been giving Trump free advertising forever...time to call the fucker out.

Call them both out and the only news source that has targeted HC is Fox and we expect them to do that...no other network ran with these stories on HC

expose them for what they are if possible

mrussel1 · October 2016

PJ Soul - here's HRC's attack angle. I think it's smart. She's not going after him for a zero tax rate specifically...

“Well, then you all know that in the debate he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. Yesterday, his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius,” she continued. “Here’s my question: What kind of genius loses a billion dollars in a single year? This is Trump to a T. He’s taken corporate excess and made a business model out of it. He abuses his power, games the system, puts his own interests ahead of the country’s. It’s Trump first and everyone else last.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-criticize-trump-taxes-229054#ixzz4M3nlE0ll
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

Gern Blansten · October 2016

pjalive21 said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:
Man if the media would have put this much effort into digging up stuff on Clinton or her foundation she might actually be in prison right now...the tax stuff with Trump is a joke I mean that's what they want to hammer him on?? really???? like there isn't enough out there
Where have you been? The CF has been getting hammered for months.....nothing there bud except a charity doing charitable works.

Trump's foundation is lining his pockets. Ordered to cease soliciticing funds
Yes indeed. And seriously, the media isn't putting any effort into this tax stuff at all. It's pretty fucking easy to just sit there and speculate and look at 2 years worth of returns from years ago. I feel like the media is focusing too much on it exactly because they aren't bother to put any effort into their reporting at all at this point.
Well the media is speculating because the only thing they know is that he claimed a 954 MM loss AND that loss would ALLOW him to not pay taxes for 18 years going forward. So there's nothing else teh media can do but speculate. But the interesting part is that the Trump campaign has not denied it. Nor have they committed to release something that refutes it. Therefore the conclusion the media is drawing is that it's true. Remember that his surrogates went on TV yesterday claiming he was a genius, not that it's false.
Right. Which means the media should be focusing on other shit until they actually have something to report. There is plenty to choose from!! The media is failing everyone even more than usual right now.
They've been failing everyone for months. They have been giving Trump free advertising forever...time to call the fucker out.
Call them both out and the only news source that has targeted HC is Fox and we expect them to do that...no other network ran with these stories on HC

expose them for what they are if possible

Bullshit... All networks hit her. I watched them.

Gern Blansten · October 2016

mrussel1 said:
PJ Soul - here's HRC's attack angle. I think it's smart. She's not going after him for a zero tax rate specifically...

“Well, then you all know that in the debate he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. Yesterday, his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius,” she continued. “Here’s my question: What kind of genius loses a billion dollars in a single year? This is Trump to a T. He’s taken corporate excess and made a business model out of it. He abuses his power, games the system, puts his own interests ahead of the country’s. It’s Trump first and everyone else last.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-criticize-trump-taxes-229054#ixzz4M3nlE0ll
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

Smart

dignin · October 2016

Hillary would be stupid not to go after Trump for not paying taxes.

Voters are in near-universal agreement, though, that paying taxes is every American's civic duty. Nearly 9-in-10 feel that way while just 12% say they see taxes as an unnecessary burden to be avoided. Even among Trump backers, 79% see them as a civic duty.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

PJ_Soul · October 2016

dignin said:
Hillary would be stupid not to go after Trump for not paying taxes.

Voters are in near-universal agreement, though, that paying taxes is every American's civic duty. Nearly 9-in-10 feel that way while just 12% say they see taxes as an unnecessary burden to be avoided. Even among Trump backers, 79% see them as a civic duty.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

My first thought is, what a bunch of hypocrites and liars. There is no way I'm believing that any of those people wouldn't use relevant tax laws to pay as few taxes as they are legally obligated to. Easy to say when it's about someone else, but if they can save their OWN money, they will.

dignin · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

dignin said:
Hillary would be stupid not to go after Trump for not paying taxes.

Voters are in near-universal agreement, though, that paying taxes is every American's civic duty. Nearly 9-in-10 feel that way while just 12% say they see taxes as an unnecessary burden to be avoided. Even among Trump backers, 79% see them as a civic duty.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html
My first thought is, what a bunch of hypocrites and liars. There is no way I'm believing that any of those people wouldn't use relevant tax laws to pay as few taxes as they are legally obligated to. Easy to say when it's about someone else, but if they can save their OWN money, they will.

I really don't know what you are trying to argue here. This is politics. This is an issue that hurts Trump. 9 out of 10 Americans think he is offside.

Also, Romney paid more taxes than he had to... because he was smart and he wanted to be president. It was a big issue 4 years ago, because people thought he didn't pay enough.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/romney-paid-required-raising-tax-rate-141-percent/story?id=17291504

Bentleyspop · October 2016

Hope the people who support drumpf sleep well..

Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who 'can't handle it'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/

Trump

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