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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,713
    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    unsung said:

    That's not my mission. That's preaching to the choir.

    I'm trying to guide everyone to rid themselves of government and stop worshipping it. Live your lives free. My work here is to help leftists find freedom, as there is not much demand here to show neocons the light of personal liberty.

    ..... Seriously? If that's your goal maybe start posting things about how to farm, build log cabins or maybe dugouts, live without utilities, weave fabric, and steer a wagon horse team. Maybe some maps showing where you can go and live without paying taxes and somehow not get nabbed for keeping your kids out of the education system.
    Government owns utilities? Government owns the textile mills too? Government created housing? Home schooling is illegal? Private schools don't exist?

    Nope. Serious.
    All of these things function because government enables it. Home schooling is still governed. It's not just a free for all where parents can create their own curriculum. Same with private schools. There is still oversight, laws connected to it, etc. Same with housing. Same with roads, industry, law enforcement, emergency response, agriculture, and pretty much everything else. If you want to rid yourself of government you really do have to go off the grid.

    You actually believe that these things couldn't exist without government?
    That's right. Do you think there is any real reason to think they could? Pretty sure there isn't a single example of that in all of human history. But you think you've got it all figured out?
    All the paving companies around my world are private companies.

    I can easily build a house without government, they are only involved under their monopoly on force. Remove that threat and I could do it.
    Private companies don't function without government either. There are regulations, laws that they abide by, get resources from industries that are regulated, they pay taxes to support infrastructure, and so on. Everything is interconnected under the umbrella of government. You can't just break off from it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Unsung - edit to my post above. You never said you weren't a Libertarian, so I'll change my apology to not knowing what is your mind, but never typed. It seems like you are picking out the easy counter-arguments and ignoring the ones that challenge your bias.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I've actually answered the same questions over and over and over.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    unsung said:

    That's not my mission. That's preaching to the choir.

    I'm trying to guide everyone to rid themselves of government and stop worshipping it. Live your lives free. My work here is to help leftists find freedom, as there is not much demand here to show neocons the light of personal liberty.

    ..... Seriously? If that's your goal maybe start posting things about how to farm, build log cabins or maybe dugouts, live without utilities, weave fabric, and steer a wagon horse team. Maybe some maps showing where you can go and live without paying taxes and somehow not get nabbed for keeping your kids out of the education system.
    Government owns utilities? Government owns the textile mills too? Government created housing? Home schooling is illegal? Private schools don't exist?

    Nope. Serious.
    All of these things function because government enables it. Home schooling is still governed. It's not just a free for all where parents can create their own curriculum. Same with private schools. There is still oversight, laws connected to it, etc. Same with housing. Same with roads, industry, law enforcement, emergency response, agriculture, and pretty much everything else. If you want to rid yourself of government you really do have to go off the grid.

    You actually believe that these things couldn't exist without government?
    That's right. Do you think there is any real reason to think they could? Pretty sure there isn't a single example of that in all of human history. But you think you've got it all figured out?
    All the paving companies around my world are private companies.

    I can easily build a house without government, they are only involved under their monopoly on force. Remove that threat and I could do it.
    Private companies don't function without government either. There are regulations, laws that they abide by, get resources from industries that are regulated, they pay taxes to support infrastructure, and so on. Everything is interconnected under the umbrella of government. You can't just break off from it.
    Right. My point above.

    Your assertion seems to be one of that it is impossible for them to exist without government involvement. I fully understand that under the current system government is required. My point is it is only required because government can threaten all involved with a one sided use of force. If government involvement was so desirable and benefitted so many then why do they need to use threat to enforce their policies?

    Hint: They want their cut.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited August 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Unsung - edit to my post above. You never said you weren't a Libertarian, so I'll change my apology to not knowing what is your mind, but never typed. It seems like you are picking out the easy counter-arguments and ignoring the ones that challenge your bias.

    It's all good, haven't bothered to change my avatar mostly because if I ever vote again I'll just write him in.

    The Libertarian party is not what it was four years ago. I can no longer support them.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    unsung said:

    I've actually answered the same questions over and over and over.

    You haven't answered one of my questions. As far as I can tell, there are many gaps in your political principles. But thanks for coming in here and insulting people under the guise of enlightening them.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Sorry I hurt your feeling. Go find your safe space because I didn't take time out of my day to give you special attention.
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    unsung said:

    That's not my mission. That's preaching to the choir.

    I'm trying to guide everyone to rid themselves of government and stop worshipping it. Live your lives free. My work here is to help leftists find freedom, as there is not much demand here to show neocons the light of personal liberty.

    ..... Seriously? If that's your goal maybe start posting things about how to farm, build log cabins or maybe dugouts, live without utilities, weave fabric, and steer a wagon horse team. Maybe some maps showing where you can go and live without paying taxes and somehow not get nabbed for keeping your kids out of the education system.
    Government owns utilities? Government owns the textile mills too? Government created housing? Home schooling is illegal? Private schools don't exist?

    Nope. Serious.
    All of these things function because government enables it. Home schooling is still governed. It's not just a free for all where parents can create their own curriculum. Same with private schools. There is still oversight, laws connected to it, etc. Same with housing. Same with roads, industry, law enforcement, emergency response, agriculture, and pretty much everything else. If you want to rid yourself of government you really do have to go off the grid.

    You actually believe that these things couldn't exist without government?
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    Free-market capitalism could not exist without an active government that provides the extensive legal infrastructure that creates and regulates markets and that enables corporations to do business.

    Labor Laws?... those were not just freely given to Americans out the kindness of Big Businesses heart or enforced by them.

    The "We could do this without government or better with less regulations" is absurd at best.

    It's pretty clear what human douchebags are capable of doing in the name of profit or saving money.

    Next time you gulp down that drink or grab a bite to eat -- think about FDA regulations
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    unsung said:

    Sorry I hurt your feeling. Go find your safe space because I didn't take time out of my day to give you special attention.

    I don't need a safe space. I'm all about argument and discussion. Teh issue is that you can't address pretty gaping holes in your philosophy, yet you call HRC voters low IQ. It's projection of the first order.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    myoung321 said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    unsung said:

    That's not my mission. That's preaching to the choir.

    I'm trying to guide everyone to rid themselves of government and stop worshipping it. Live your lives free. My work here is to help leftists find freedom, as there is not much demand here to show neocons the light of personal liberty.

    ..... Seriously? If that's your goal maybe start posting things about how to farm, build log cabins or maybe dugouts, live without utilities, weave fabric, and steer a wagon horse team. Maybe some maps showing where you can go and live without paying taxes and somehow not get nabbed for keeping your kids out of the education system.
    Government owns utilities? Government owns the textile mills too? Government created housing? Home schooling is illegal? Private schools don't exist?

    Nope. Serious.
    All of these things function because government enables it. Home schooling is still governed. It's not just a free for all where parents can create their own curriculum. Same with private schools. There is still oversight, laws connected to it, etc. Same with housing. Same with roads, industry, law enforcement, emergency response, agriculture, and pretty much everything else. If you want to rid yourself of government you really do have to go off the grid.

    You actually believe that these things couldn't exist without government?
    image

    Free-market capitalism could not exist without an active government that provides the extensive legal infrastructure that creates and regulates markets and that enables corporations to do business.

    Labor Laws?... those were not just freely given to Americans out the kindness of Big Businesses heart or enforced by them.

    The "We could do this without government or better with less regulations" is absurd at best.

    It's pretty clear what human douchebags are capable of doing in the name of profit or saving money.

    Next time you gulp down that drink or grab a bite to eat -- think about FDA regulations
    No, in the mind of the pure laissez-faire capitalist, if enough people die from taking Tylenol laced with cyanide, well then people will stop buying Tylenol. And then Tylenol will either have to put tamper proof caps or go out of business. See, the invisible hand of the market speaks, even if it only takes some free market deaths to get there.
  • dignin
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,415
    unsung said:

    Liberty.

    Would that have been the bare breasted lady liberty in the foyer of the DOJ?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,280
    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/copter-crash-kills-3-aides-of-trump.html

    Were these three killed by Trump to cover up his horrible business practices? How would the right wing conspiracy loons spin this one if these were Clinton associates? Why is it that we don't see this same type of crap (blaming deaths) coming from the left?

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/copter-crash-kills-3-aides-of-trump.html

    Were these three killed by Trump to cover up his horrible business practices? How would the right wing conspiracy loons spin this one if these were Clinton associates? Why is it that we don't see this same type of crap (blaming deaths) coming from the left?

    Why? Because we don't wear tin foil hats.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,316
    Julian Assange is a right-wing conspiracy loon?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,280
    Jason P said:

    Julian Assange is a right-wing conspiracy loon?

    It appears as such...he is obviously targeting the Clinton campaign
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Jason P said:

    Julian Assange is a right-wing conspiracy loon?

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,280
    edited August 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/11/nyregion/copter-crash-kills-3-aides-of-trump.html

    Were these three killed by Trump to cover up his horrible business practices? How would the right wing conspiracy loons spin this one if these were Clinton associates? Why is it that we don't see this same type of crap (blaming deaths) coming from the left?

    Why? Because we don't wear tin foil hats.
    that was a rhetorical question... :)

    edit: at a minimum we can say that Trump has dead bodies lining his pathway
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,316
    I remember the days when Assange was the belle of the ball and the arab spring was celebrated as the fall of western diplomacy in the middle east.
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