Citizens United alone screwed this country up... and according to Scalia HOBBY LOBBY is a person?
No, Hobby Lobby is not a person--it's a small, mom-and-pop, family-owned business that would be unduly burdened if required to provide their employees with contraceptive coverage through their health insurance. That grinding noise you hear is the rolling of my eyes.
Mom and Pop ? wow,,,, net worth of $5.1 billion, Forbes ranks David Green (Owner Hobby Lobby) as the 94th wealthiest person in the United States. 572 stores nation-wide, with a revenue of $3.3 billion in 2013. some mom and pop operation.
This is why.... people believe the crap they hear on tv and don't bother to research the facts on their own...
side question... Does Hobby Lobby sale anything NOT made in China?
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
When George W. Bush was still president, Schumer advocated almost the exact same approach McConnell is planning to pursue. During a speech at a convention of the American Constitution Society in July 2007, Schumer said if any new Supreme Court vacancies opened up, Democrats should not allow Bush the chance to fill it “except in extraordinary circumstances.”
“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer said, according to Politico. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.” During the same speech, Schumer lamented that he hadn’t managed to block Bush’s prior Supreme Court nominations.
Notably, when he made his remarks in 2007, Bush had about seven more months remaining in his presidential term than Obama has remaining in his.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to argue the Dems wouldn't take the same tactic. They would. The point I've been making it that it's strategically advantageous to Democrats right now, and in particular Hillary, should she make it through the primaries.
I don't know. Think this may motivate conservators to vote.
It will motivate both sides. But the Democrats have the natural electoral advantage right now and there are many Bernie supporters threatening not to vote for Hillary. So all things being equal, I think it give an advantage to the D's.
Citizens United alone screwed this country up... and according to Scalia HOBBY LOBBY is a person?
No, Hobby Lobby is not a person--it's a small, mom-and-pop, family-owned business that would be unduly burdened if required to provide their employees with contraceptive coverage through their health insurance. That grinding noise you hear is the rolling of my eyes.
Mom and Pop ? wow,,,, net worth of $5.1 billion, Forbes ranks David Green as the 94th wealthiest person in the United States. some mom and pop operation.
Maybe get your facts right before posting such nonsense.
We're supposed to debate the issue,not attack the poster.I think Who Princess has a good grasp on the facts.
I can't find a Hobby Lobby anywhere remotely close to me, and there are scads of all sized businesses where I live. Just because they have a net worth worthy of Forbes attention does not mean that they are not a mom and pop store that makes a lot of money through a specific targeted customer base. And if they make so much money, it begs the question of their resistance to thoroughly covering their employees' insurance needs. Do they pay for ED prescriptions?
Citizens United alone screwed this country up... and according to Scalia HOBBY LOBBY is a person?
No, Hobby Lobby is not a person--it's a small, mom-and-pop, family-owned business that would be unduly burdened if required to provide their employees with contraceptive coverage through their health insurance. That grinding noise you hear is the rolling of my eyes.
Mom and Pop ? wow,,,, net worth of $5.1 billion, Forbes ranks David Green as the 94th wealthiest person in the United States. some mom and pop operation.
Maybe get your facts right before posting such nonsense.
We're supposed to debate the issue,not attack the poster.I think Who Princess has a good grasp on the facts.
I can't find a Hobby Lobby anywhere remotely close to me, and there are scads of all sized businesses where I live. Just because they have a net worth worthy of Forbes attention does not mean that they are not a mom and pop store that makes a lot of money through a specific targeted customer base. And if they make so much money, it begs the question of their resistance to thoroughly covering their employees' insurance needs. Do they pay for ED prescriptions?
I agree and removed it.. my apologies..
But I kinda think most people would not associate a business that makes over 3 billion a year, with owners in the top 100 richest in America as "Mom & Pop"... Is Walmart "Mom & Pop".. This is why I think its "nonsense"
Should not matter if the profit is $3 billion a year or $3 a year.... they should still not have the right to pick and choose what laws they wish to follow and which they choose to ignore. If you choose to conduct business in this country then these are the laws... If it was turned around and say it was a Muslim owned business that wouldn't allow women to show there faces while working, the outrage would be deafening.
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Citizens United alone screwed this country up... and according to Scalia HOBBY LOBBY is a person?
No, Hobby Lobby is not a person--it's a small, mom-and-pop, family-owned business that would be unduly burdened if required to provide their employees with contraceptive coverage through their health insurance. That grinding noise you hear is the rolling of my eyes.
Mom and Pop ? wow,,,, net worth of $5.1 billion, Forbes ranks David Green as the 94th wealthiest person in the United States. some mom and pop operation.
Maybe get your facts right before posting such nonsense.
We're supposed to debate the issue,not attack the poster.I think Who Princess has a good grasp on the facts.
I can't find a Hobby Lobby anywhere remotely close to me, and there are scads of all sized businesses where I live. Just because they have a net worth worthy of Forbes attention does not mean that they are not a mom and pop store that makes a lot of money through a specific targeted customer base. And if they make so much money, it begs the question of their resistance to thoroughly covering their employees' insurance needs. Do they pay for ED prescriptions?
It's not about whether or not they can afford to cover insurance, they refuse to on religious grounds. 10 stores is a Mom and Pop, 10 stores for every state in the country is not Mom and Pop, not by a long shot.
When George W. Bush was still president, Schumer advocated almost the exact same approach McConnell is planning to pursue. During a speech at a convention of the American Constitution Society in July 2007, Schumer said if any new Supreme Court vacancies opened up, Democrats should not allow Bush the chance to fill it “except in extraordinary circumstances.”
“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer said, according to Politico. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.” During the same speech, Schumer lamented that he hadn’t managed to block Bush’s prior Supreme Court nominations.
Notably, when he made his remarks in 2007, Bush had about seven more months remaining in his presidential term than Obama has remaining in his.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to argue the Dems wouldn't take the same tactic. They would. The point I've been making it that it's strategically advantageous to Democrats right now, and in particular Hillary, should she make it through the primaries.
I don't know. Think this may motivate conservators to vote.
It will motivate both sides. But the Democrats have the natural electoral advantage right now and there are many Bernie supporters threatening not to vote for Hillary. So all things being equal, I think it give an advantage to the D's.
Though I hope your right feel conservatives are desperate their belief system is being attacked on all fronts and will do what they can to keep security blanket viable.
I hope many conservatives deep down want to progress. Talking social issues here. Fk a Cruz nomination?!?!? Fk fk fk.
Also, I am wondering now if the grinding eye roll was because she was being sarcastic about Hobby Lobby's status as small business unduly burdened.
I took it as grinding eyes at my comment...
It was sarcasm and not intended at you.
Of course they're not a mom-and-pop operation. There's a half dozen of their stores within a 20-30 minute drive for me. I was ridiculing the argument they made (family business, religious beliefs, etc.) which the Supreme Court accepted.
As someone who enjoys needlework as a hobby, I can tell you that it isn't even a decent hobby store. I only shopped there a couple of times years ago and never went back because (1) they didn't have any of the things I needed and (2) they played religious music over the PA. I'm pretty live and let live about people's religious beliefs but I thought playing music like that for shoppers was weird. After the SCOTUS decision, I will never set foot in the place, not that I'd have any reason to.
When George W. Bush was still president, Schumer advocated almost the exact same approach McConnell is planning to pursue. During a speech at a convention of the American Constitution Society in July 2007, Schumer said if any new Supreme Court vacancies opened up, Democrats should not allow Bush the chance to fill it “except in extraordinary circumstances.”
“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer said, according to Politico. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.” During the same speech, Schumer lamented that he hadn’t managed to block Bush’s prior Supreme Court nominations.
Notably, when he made his remarks in 2007, Bush had about seven more months remaining in his presidential term than Obama has remaining in his.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to argue the Dems wouldn't take the same tactic. They would. The point I've been making it that it's strategically advantageous to Democrats right now, and in particular Hillary, should she make it through the primaries.
They would and they have. Even the all mighty Obama did it to Alito in 2006, although "he vocally disapproved", his actions speak louder than his words.
Yet he is on the court today....hmmm
That was not my point. My point was that the exact person that supported a filibuster in 2006, in a lot the same way as what we are seeing today, cannot (without being a HUGE hypocrite) preach that the opposition is not following the rules by attempting the same tactic against him now that he is president. History has yet to say whether or not it will work this time around.
"Scalia accepted gifts on occasion, two of them that reflected the love that brought him to Texas on his final trip: a $1,000 shotgun and a $600 rifle, both from the National Wild Turkey Federation."
Also, I am wondering now if the grinding eye roll was because she was being sarcastic about Hobby Lobby's status as small business unduly burdened.
I took it as grinding eyes at my comment...
It was sarcasm and not intended at you.
Of course they're not a mom-and-pop operation. There's a half dozen of their stores within a 20-30 minute drive for me. I was ridiculing the argument they made (family business, religious beliefs, etc.) which the Supreme Court accepted.
As someone who enjoys needlework as a hobby, I can tell you that it isn't even a decent hobby store. I only shopped there a couple of times years ago and never went back because (1) they didn't have any of the things I needed and (2) they played religious music over the PA. I'm pretty live and let live about people's religious beliefs but I thought playing music like that for shoppers was weird. After the SCOTUS decision, I will never set foot in the place, not that I'd have any reason to.
My apologies... I didn't catch the sarcasm...
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Also, I am wondering now if the grinding eye roll was because she was being sarcastic about Hobby Lobby's status as small business unduly burdened.
I took it as grinding eyes at my comment...
It was sarcasm and not intended at you.
Of course they're not a mom-and-pop operation. There's a half dozen of their stores within a 20-30 minute drive for me. I was ridiculing the argument they made (family business, religious beliefs, etc.) which the Supreme Court accepted.
As someone who enjoys needlework as a hobby, I can tell you that it isn't even a decent hobby store. I only shopped there a couple of times years ago and never went back because (1) they didn't have any of the things I needed and (2) they played religious music over the PA. I'm pretty live and let live about people's religious beliefs but I thought playing music like that for shoppers was weird. After the SCOTUS decision, I will never set foot in the place, not that I'd have any reason to.
Hobby Lobby is the only place within 100 miles of my house that sells framing goodies. The thought of buying something there to be used for framing a PJ poster feels wrong. I also have not stepped foot in there since the ruling.
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
Hobby Lobby is the only place within 100 miles of my house that sells framing goodies. The thought of buying something there to be used for framing a PJ poster feels wrong. I also have not stepped foot in there since the ruling.
Have you tried buying framing supplies online? I haven't done it in ages but my husband used to do that.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
give it 50 years. scalia's rulings will be judged by history to be as backwards as the dred scott decision and separate but equal.
No different than the rest of the Conservatives throughout our history
Conservatives opposed the American Revolution Conservatives opposed freeing the slaves Conservatives opposed women’s suffrage Conservatives opposed public school Conservatives opposed fighting fascism in Europe Conservatives opposed minimum wage and child labor laws, the 8-hour work day, weekends, sick leave… etc. Conservatives opposed humane treatment of animals Conservatives opposed the Social Security Act Conservatives opposed the Farm Act Conservatives opposed the Interstate Highway System Conservatives oppose clean air and water Conservatives opposed the Civil Right’s Act Conservatives opposed the G.I. Bill Conservatives opposed Medicare Conservatives oppose Equal Protection Under the Law .....etc...etc..etc..
the list is endless......!!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the conservatives were the complete opposite of what they are now!!
Also Scalia was just slightly out of touch with the world,no?!?
Republicans used to be more moderate and tolerant - ie - Lincoln and slavery. Then Southern Democrats - Dixiecrats - split with Democrats and went to Republicans and the moral majority and conservatism in social issues became a large part of the Republican party platform and Democrats became more socially liberal. Conservatism is an ideology in the Republican party.
Scalia was very comfortable in his view of the world. It's just that it was not in touch with the change in attitudes of most Americans. Hence - the cry to 'take our country back'. I always want someone to finish the sentence with who they are taking it back from.
Taking it back from people who do not allow a non-liberal/progressive viewpoint. For example, Mozilla CEO being fired because he gave a $1,000 to the wrong PAC due to a few whiny people on social media.
I am not surprised his death is being cheered on the Train. Some of you continue to have blinders on and just do not see how full of hate you are and completely intolerant of others opinions. The guy doesn't get to the supreme court and be respected by the most liberal judges on the court (even great friends with and travel companions) by being a bigot. He just interprets the constitution from his viewpoint and others view it differently. He still respected his peers on the court and they respected him, but on the Train it is the epitome of "My way or the highway" per usual. Cheering death for anyone you disagree with.
I do not cheer for death of people just because I disagree with them. I cheer for the death of people who I think are rotten human beings who cause harm to the world. Scalia applies.
PS - couldn't care less if you think being glad he's dead is bad taste. That guy was a motherfucker as far as I'm concerned and I am pleased as punch that his voice is gone from the US supreme court. Death was the only thing that would shut the fucker up.
give it 50 years. scalia's rulings will be judged by history to be as backwards as the dred scott decision and separate but equal.
No different than the rest of the Conservatives throughout our history
Conservatives opposed the American Revolution Conservatives opposed freeing the slaves Conservatives opposed women’s suffrage Conservatives opposed public school Conservatives opposed fighting fascism in Europe Conservatives opposed minimum wage and child labor laws, the 8-hour work day, weekends, sick leave… etc. Conservatives opposed humane treatment of animals Conservatives opposed the Social Security Act Conservatives opposed the Farm Act Conservatives opposed the Interstate Highway System Conservatives oppose clean air and water Conservatives opposed the Civil Right’s Act Conservatives opposed the G.I. Bill Conservatives opposed Medicare Conservatives oppose Equal Protection Under the Law .....etc...etc..etc..
the list is endless......!!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the conservatives were the complete opposite of what they are now!!
Also Scalia was just slightly out of touch with the world,no?!?
Republicans used to be more moderate and tolerant - ie - Lincoln and slavery. Then Southern Democrats - Dixiecrats - split with Democrats and went to Republicans and the moral majority and conservatism in social issues became a large part of the Republican party platform and Democrats became more socially liberal. Conservatism is an ideology in the Republican party.
Scalia was very comfortable in his view of the world. It's just that it was not in touch with the change in attitudes of most Americans. Hence - the cry to 'take our country back'. I always want someone to finish the sentence with who they are taking it back from.
Taking it back from people who do not allow a non-liberal/progressive viewpoint. For example, Mozilla CEO being fired because he gave a $1,000 to the wrong PAC due to a few whiny people on social media.
Brandon Eich stepped down and wasnt fired, Eich posted that "under the present circumstances, I cannot be an effective leader."
When running a non profit that relies heavily on donations all the while trying to compete with Apple, Google and Microsoft.... being a bigot is frowned upon. Did he get pressure step down...of course. Rightfully so imo
I am not surprised his death is being cheered on the Train. Some of you continue to have blinders on and just do not see how full of hate you are and completely intolerant of others opinions. The guy doesn't get to the supreme court and be respected by the most liberal judges on the court (even great friends with and travel companions) by being a bigot. He just interprets the constitution from his viewpoint and others view it differently. He still respected his peers on the court and they respected him, but on the Train it is the epitome of "My way or the highway" per usual. Cheering death for anyone you disagree with.
I do not cheer for death of people just because I disagree with them. I cheer for the death of people who I think are rotten human beings who cause harm to the world. Scalia applies.
PS - couldn't care less if you think being glad he's dead is bad taste. That guy was a motherfucker as far as I'm concerned and I am pleased as punch that his voice is gone from the US supreme court. Death was the only thing that would shut the fucker up.
Classy.
Oh please.
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The nomination process starts with the president not with congress telling him when he can or can't put forth a nominee it's right there in the constitution so let's see how the GOP tries to spin this issue .... Obama should nominee 10 candidates just to make these assholes work make them vote yes or no
The nomination process states with the president not with congress telling him when he can or can't put forth a nominee it's right there in the constitution so let's see how the GOP tries to spin this issue .... Obama should nominee 10 candidates just to make these assholes work make them vote yes or no
does anybody think for one second that if the shoe were on the other foot, republican president, democratic senate, that the republican president would stand down and wait for the election??
if you believe that they would, i have a bridge to sell you.
and a donkey kong msg poster.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
give it 50 years. scalia's rulings will be judged by history to be as backwards as the dred scott decision and separate but equal.
No different than the rest of the Conservatives throughout our history
Conservatives opposed the American Revolution Conservatives opposed freeing the slaves Conservatives opposed women’s suffrage Conservatives opposed public school Conservatives opposed fighting fascism in Europe Conservatives opposed minimum wage and child labor laws, the 8-hour work day, weekends, sick leave… etc. Conservatives opposed humane treatment of animals Conservatives opposed the Social Security Act Conservatives opposed the Farm Act Conservatives opposed the Interstate Highway System Conservatives oppose clean air and water Conservatives opposed the Civil Right’s Act Conservatives opposed the G.I. Bill Conservatives opposed Medicare Conservatives oppose Equal Protection Under the Law .....etc...etc..etc..
the list is endless......!!!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the conservatives were the complete opposite of what they are now!!
Also Scalia was just slightly out of touch with the world,no?!?
Republicans used to be more moderate and tolerant - ie - Lincoln and slavery. Then Southern Democrats - Dixiecrats - split with Democrats and went to Republicans and the moral majority and conservatism in social issues became a large part of the Republican party platform and Democrats became more socially liberal. Conservatism is an ideology in the Republican party.
Scalia was very comfortable in his view of the world. It's just that it was not in touch with the change in attitudes of most Americans. Hence - the cry to 'take our country back'. I always want someone to finish the sentence with who they are taking it back from.
Taking it back from people who do not allow a non-liberal/progressive viewpoint. For example, Mozilla CEO being fired because he gave a $1,000 to the wrong PAC due to a few whiny people on social media.
Hahaha awww poor baby! He will probably only be rich for the rest of his life
That's how the free market works, people vote with their wallets. It's all fine and good for him to donate money to actively deny rights to American citizens, but not ok for American citizens to say "Bullshit" and refuse to do business with said bigot? It seems like you are biased towards those who try to make bigots own their words. Strange.
The nomination process states with the president not with congress telling him when he can or can't put forth a nominee it's right there in the constitution so let's see how the GOP tries to spin this issue .... Obama should nominee 10 candidates just to make these assholes work make them vote yes or no
Obama disagrees with you based on his vote to follow through with the filibuster of Alito in 2006. Funny how that fact keeps being avoided.
i have a hobby lobby a half mile from my house. since the SC decision in the hobby lobby case i have had a couple thousand dollars of custom framing done. i went elsewhere. would it be more convenient for me to go to hobby lobby? sure. but i vote with my wallet, and they can go fuck themselves as far as i am concerned.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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572 stores nation-wide, with a revenue of $3.3 billion in 2013.
some mom and pop operation.
This is why.... people believe the crap they hear on tv and don't bother to research the facts on their own...
side question... Does Hobby Lobby sale anything NOT made in China?
I can't find a Hobby Lobby anywhere remotely close to me, and there are scads of all sized businesses where I live. Just because they have a net worth worthy of Forbes attention does not mean that they are not a mom and pop store that makes a lot of money through a specific targeted customer base. And if they make so much money, it begs the question of their resistance to thoroughly covering their employees' insurance needs. Do they pay for ED prescriptions?
I agree and removed it.. my apologies..
But I kinda think most people would not associate a business that makes over 3 billion a year, with owners in the top 100 richest in America as "Mom & Pop"... Is Walmart "Mom & Pop".. This is why I think its "nonsense"
Should not matter if the profit is $3 billion a year or $3 a year.... they should still not have the right to pick and choose what laws they wish to follow and which they choose to ignore. If you choose to conduct business in this country then these are the laws... If it was turned around and say it was a Muslim owned business that wouldn't allow women to show there faces while working, the outrage would be deafening.
10 stores is a Mom and Pop, 10 stores for every state in the country is not Mom and Pop, not by a long shot.
I hope many conservatives deep down want to progress.
Talking social issues here.
Fk a Cruz nomination?!?!?
Fk fk fk.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/antonin-scalia-new-york-pizza_us_56c197a2e4b08ffac125bcf1
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Of course they're not a mom-and-pop operation. There's a half dozen of their stores within a 20-30 minute drive for me. I was ridiculing the argument they made (family business, religious beliefs, etc.) which the Supreme Court accepted.
As someone who enjoys needlework as a hobby, I can tell you that it isn't even a decent hobby store. I only shopped there a couple of times years ago and never went back because (1) they didn't have any of the things I needed and (2) they played religious music over the PA. I'm pretty live and let live about people's religious beliefs but I thought playing music like that for shoppers was weird. After the SCOTUS decision, I will never set foot in the place, not that I'd have any reason to.
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/A-man-in-overdrive-Scalia-made-more-than-6830595.php
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Hobby Lobby is the only place within 100 miles of my house that sells framing goodies. The thought of buying something there to be used for framing a PJ poster feels wrong. I also have not stepped foot in there since the ruling.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/14/politics/antonin-scalia-ruth-bader-ginsburg-friends/index.html
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/14/read_justice_ruth_bader_ginsburg_s_touching_statement_on_scalia.html
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
When running a non profit that relies heavily on donations all the while trying to compete with Apple, Google and Microsoft.... being a bigot is frowned upon. Did he get pressure step down...of course. Rightfully so imo
Obama should nominee 10 candidates just to make these assholes work make them vote yes or no
if you believe that they would, i have a bridge to sell you.
and a donkey kong msg poster.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
That's how the free market works, people vote with their wallets. It's all fine and good for him to donate money to actively deny rights to American citizens, but not ok for American citizens to say "Bullshit" and refuse to do business with said bigot? It seems like you are biased towards those who try to make bigots own their words. Strange.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."