I can't believe that there is no thread on the Cologne problem on New Year's Eve......

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Seems like a real problem you people would be up on.

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The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    It would just turn into another thread attacking and defending eastern immigrants and refugees.
    No one gives a shit anymore.
  • BLACK35
    BLACK35 Hanover, Ontario Posts: 22,980
    I just heard about this yesterday, was actually quite shocked! Yes surprised I didn't read it here or see it on CNN. Just saw it on the MSN news page yesterday...crazy shit!
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    i havent heard about it. i watched cnn last evening and did not see anything about it. only gun discussion.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Is it legit?
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    rgambs said:

    Is it legit?

    Yes, it really happened. Authorities are bumbling around trying to find some of the people responsible. The mayor of Cologne (a woman) advised women that to prevent future incidents, they should keep other people at arm's length. It makes me imagine a crowd full of people holding their arms out.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Round and round this shit goes
    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sex-attackers-risk-deportation-merkel/ar-CCgMD8?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited January 2016
    North African men comes to Germany and behaves like this, I hope they catch them and deport them to jail in their home country. Similar things has happend here too actually (also North African men for some reason)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Horrible!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,451
    edited January 2016
    I have heard about it a couple of days ago. It sounds absolutely shocking, but there is lots of speculation as well. The things that are beginning to unfold in Germany at the moment are scary. Stuff like that just feeds the crowd of the "concerned citizens" and the people who are a bit too close to rightwing ideas. They feel justified to spew their hateful thoughts. I am just following this from a distance, but some of the comments on social media sound so hateful and aggressive that I am scared to think what might happen next. Not a good situation overall...
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Horrific and barbaric. While I don't think much will be done after the fact about this specific incident, hopefully they'll be able to prevent a recurrence in the future. And shame on the mayor of Koln. While her intent may have been good trying to warn women to keep men at arms' length, her message sure sounded like she was partly blaming the victims of this attack. The filthy perpetrators bear 100% of the responsibility for their actions. I don't care where you are, where you came from, what your religion, skin color, culture or customs are - men don't have the right to put hands on women without consent.

    I also worry about how this plays out politically. It will certainly give fodder to the anti-immigration folks there. Germany has been a leader in accepting refugees into their country, and if they don't get a handle on this quickly, there will be backlash regardless of who actually committed these crimes. There is no evidence that they were refugees, and I'm guessing they likely weren't, but the refugees will also become victims of this attack.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    edited January 2016
    It is comical that anti-immigration folks are painted as devils when there is so much evidence that the immigrant crisis and terrorism is completely disrupting European life at the moment. Certainly I'm against racists and Nazi types, but for those who just want to stop immigration right now as they feel their way of life is threatened, it is hard to fault them.

    I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read "and the anti-immigration folks are now going to use this as an example to support their crazy ideas...." because I would have a lot of dollars. At some point the article/comment should read, "this is another example that supports the anti-immigration argument". I'm not saying which side is right, but stop portraying people as extremists when almost everyday they can find an example whether large or small to support their position.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited January 2016
    bootlegger10 said:

    It is comical that anti-immigration folks are painted as devils when there is so much evidence that the immigrant crisis and terrorism is completely disrupting European life at the moment. Certainly I'm against racists and Nazi types, but for those who just want to stop immigration right now as they feel their way of life is threatened, it is hard to fault them.

    I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read "and the anti-immigration folks are now going to use this as an example to support their crazy ideas...." because I would have a lot of dollars. At some point the article/comment should read, "this is another example that supports the anti-immigration argument". I'm not saying which side is right, but stop portraying people as extremists when almost everyday they can find an example whether large or small to support their position.

    I actually agree with you here. I should have been more clear when I said anti-immigration folks. I was really referring to this event giving the organized anti-immigration movements some leverage. Those organized groups typically are the racist / neo-Nazi groups there. I think that people should always be concerned with immigration policies, numbers of immigrants coming in, support infrastructure in place to help them, their ability to assimilate, their employment prospects prior to entering the country, etc.. Immigration is a real issue everywhere and people should be concerned when those policies result in economic, criminal or cultural problems.

    Perhaps I shouldn't have called them anti-immigration folks, as that was not specific enough.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,451
    edited January 2016
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    Post edited by Leezestarr313 on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    Why is the emphasis here on this issue being placed on the immigration situation instead of on the horrific predation of women?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    brianlux said:

    Why is the emphasis here on this issue being placed on the immigration situation instead of on the horrific predation of women?

    Horrific was actually the first word I used in my post, and the predation of women was the first topic my post addressed, and I agree that should be the main focus. In this particular case I think immigration also has to be discussed in context. This was apparently an organized and orchestrated attack done by hundreds of young men. This wasn't a rainbow coalition of perpetrators, it was done apparently by North African immigrants. It would then follow that one might want to look more closely into immigration policies and practices in addition to many other things like a more active police presence and a greater emphasis on security, when attempting to mitigate against future occurrences of these types of events.
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  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    I had a whole thing typed out and I deleted it cuz I can't even justify myself.

    There are no easy answers.
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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    ldent42 said:

    I had a whole thing typed out and I deleted it cuz I can't even justify myself.

    There are no easy answers.

    I got a easy answer for America..... don't let any of these fuckin animals in our country!!! I am sick of hearing about incidents like this all over Europe.
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    muskydan said:

    ldent42 said:

    I had a whole thing typed out and I deleted it cuz I can't even justify myself.

    There are no easy answers.

    I got a easy answer for America..... don't let any of these fuckin animals in our country!!! I am sick of hearing about incidents like this all over Europe.
    All over Europe? This is the first incident I've heard of in any European country but maybe ye"re more informed over in America...
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    jnimhaoileoin said:

    muskydan said:

    ldent42 said:

    I had a whole thing typed out and I deleted it cuz I can't even justify myself.

    There are no easy answers.

    I got a easy answer for America..... don't let any of these fuckin animals in our country!!! I am sick of hearing about incidents like this all over Europe.
    All over Europe? This is the first incident I've heard of in any European country but maybe ye"re more informed over in America...
    I definitely am not more informed then someone who live there . So this is the first time you have heard of these refugees acting like savages? We must get different news over here then...
  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    muskydan said:

    ldent42 said:

    I had a whole thing typed out and I deleted it cuz I can't even justify myself.

    There are no easy answers.

    I got a easy answer for America..... don't let any of these fuckin animals in our country!!! I am sick of hearing about incidents like this all over Europe.
    that aint even .... just no.

    For one thing, the women were robbed too. This puts the incidents in an economic light too. Maybe if they were able to work, or if they had some kind of cash loan from the German gov't upon arrival and resettlement? I really don't know.
    Maybe don't let any more young men in? under 16 and above 55 only? Again, I don't know. That's why I deleted my comments earlier. I got nothing.
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