With political correctness nowadays..........

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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    Don't feel bad for me, I do alright. You are correct about the Vietnamesse people thou....never seen a harder working group of people then them in my short time there. You should go see 4 yourself w/ your own eyes..
  • rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    The quality of many Chinese products is on a par with those poor wages.

    Suicide nets speak volumes.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    There's a general victimization mentality that is afflicting this country right now. There is no doubt in my mind that minorities (particularly African-Americans) are at a natural disadvantage vs whites in this country. But it goes beyond that. Read the Huffington Post today.. there are so many articles that seek to stoke the belief that you are a victim. Flip to the right.. National Review, Red State, etc. They are all victims too. It's ridiculous and I generally can't stand to be around any of it anymore. I don't even know where to get the news from anymore.
  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    People born in the US generally have a much greater advantage compared to the world. Whether it's second or third is dependent on a few factors. I am the son of a Ukrainian immigrant who never finished 8th grade. We were very blue collar and very low/middle class. There's no doubt that a Harvard legacy has an advantage over me. But I also had an inherent advantage over someone born in East Baltimore, for example. Perhaps because I'm white, or that I had my father there to kick my ass or lots of other things. There's probably white privilege but there's certainly socioeconomic privilege.
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    edited December 2015

    callen said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    YES white males working corporate America won the lottery.

    Amazed every time I go into meeting with 50 of so attendees and there's maybe one black male.

    Sorry but if you don't think you won lottery being born white in America in this world you out of touch with reality and give yourself way too much credit. Working hard is relative. But understand need to feel special.
    I'm surprised that my hard work, ability to learn and adapt, life experience and job promotion all amounted to nothing and where I am today is only because I'm white.

    Not just being white. Being white in America. Your work was easy compared to the migrant worker from Africa who lands in southern Spain in a makeshift boat to pick vegetables in 110 heat

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    I don't think your plight or overcoming hardships are in question.
    Post edited by eddiec on
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    Nobody has said it all happened because you are white, you are arguing with a straw man.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
  • rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    Nobody has said it all happened because you are white, you are arguing with a straw man.
    Mixed you and another person up Gambs. Sorry.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    eddiec said:

    callen said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    YES white males working corporate America won the lottery.

    Amazed every time I go into meeting with 50 of so attendees and there's maybe one black male.

    Sorry but if you don't think you won lottery being born white in America in this world you out of touch with reality and give yourself way too much credit. Working hard is relative. But understand need to feel special.
    I'm surprised that my hard work, ability to learn and adapt, life experience and job promotion all amounted to nothing and where I am today is only because I'm white.

    Not just being white. Being white in America. Your work was easy compared to the migrant worker from Africa who lands in southern Spain in a makeshift boat to pick vegetables in 110 heat

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    I don't think your plight or overcoming hardships are in question.
    With all the work and effort your being white didnt hurt you either.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    eddiec said:
    Nails it.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    Maybe if you had opportunity to be a black male for a month you'd get it.
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  • callen said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    muskydan said:

    How do you guys live with yourselves w/ all this White Guilt? It must be exhausting...

    I'm exhausted just reading about it.
    It's certainly no more exhausting than keeping inflated the fantasy that everyone's hard work counts the same.
    Tell me about it...I took me a lot longer to get promoted simply due to not being the right flavor.
    Poor guy, I feel bad for you.
    You and those little Vietnamese kids working their fingers to the bone have so much in common.
    I hope you don't own anything made from China.
    I don't see the relevance to the discussion.
    They work very hard(Chinese) to make the products you most likely use everyday for very little pay. It goes along with what you said about wages and such.

    I hope that you only buy things made from places where wages are fair.
    I understand all that but how is it relevant to a discussion on white privilege?? If anything, it corroborates the idea that we are born on third.
    You may have been born on third, I was born in Far Rockaway Queens, a shit hole.

    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    tempo, same here. My husband as well.

    I don't take offense to the comment but if someone said that to me? I'd smile and nod my head, as I know the paths taken to be where I am. If others don't get it, cool - rolls off my back.

    Understood. I hate being lumped in with the priveledged though. That's racist no? "all white collared whites won already"

    If you're white, you have white privilege. It's just a fact, and not racist or prejudiced. If someone's offended when it's white privilege is pointed out, then their offense is from denial.
    After reading five different articles I can see the point. It's just really, really hard for me to see it in myself as having "white privilege". I didn't grow up like 99.9% of you. So try and see it from my perspective.
    White privilege doesn't mean that you didn't work hard, nobody is saying that. White privilege means that your hard work was recognized and rewarded. Millions of people on this planet have worked hard to a point that would put you to shame and they received starvation wages or worse for that work, not promotions and an increasingly easier life.
    You mentioned hard work and wages earlier.
    Yes, I mentioned it, and you are proving my point by hammering on it. We are the recipients of the sweatshops, not the sweatshop workers. Whether I use those products or not has nothing to do with my privilege in being born white in the wealthiest country in the world. Queens or Appalachia aren't the greatest place, but it is still born on third. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.
    Well for one they don't play baseball in most countries, lol.

    I still find it very interesting that no matter what plight or hardship I've had to overcome in getting to where I am today doesn't matter, it all happened because I am white...

    That's kind of like blaming someone who's ancestors may have owned slaves.

    Your last post should say that ALL people in the US are born on third.
    Maybe if you had opportunity to be a black male for a month you'd get it.
    Fair enough.

    i suppose it's nothing like going to a foreign country and people look at you differently or won't help you? Or people not wanting to bother with you because your religion is different? People asking why you're not around your own kind?

    If I'm getting anywhere close please let me know... I'll tell you all about my travels...
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrhQtAvjNTM
    Lee Camp on white privilege.
    If you haven't heard of Lee Camp, he is a political comedian and some of his stuff is brilliant. Some of is not.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Gambs you brought up Appalachia.Those poor ass white folks don't have a leg up with anything.Heavy Meth and alcohol problems,huge ass raping from big coal.Lots,lots,lots of scarred land,black lung and polluted water.Those people are getting the very short end of the stick.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    Gambs you brought up Appalachia.Those poor ass white folks don't have a leg up with anything.Heavy Meth and alcohol problems,huge ass raping from big coal.Lots,lots,lots of scarred land,black lung and polluted water.Those people are getting the very short end of the stick.

    Sure are, it's not the best area to grow up. There are people that have it rough everywhere there's no doubt. But, as shitty as it is, there is still an element of racism and privilege within the area. In Randolph county WV for instance, many call black people Guinea folk, and they are subject to the same sorts of prejudice that they would be elsewhere.
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  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    in the northeast they call us Italians Guinea as well. LMAO
    I guess we're "off white" lol
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rssesq said:

    in the northeast they call us Italians Guinea as well. LMAO
    I guess we're "off white" lol

    Hahaha hillbillies are a funny bunch!
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