Our Fate Lies With Americans

BS44325

polaris_x said:

This is the World's reality now. We live in a globalized society that continues to exploit the poor through economic imperialistic measures. The results are global warming; extreme poverty; mass displacement; refugees; terrorism; war and suffering. Peace is a funny thing - it's a nice little term we all say we want but in reality our actions speak otherwise. You want peace? Do you really? If so, you shouldn't be buying gas from Exxon; diamonds for your weddings; bottled water from Nestle; GM food from industrialized farming operations; etc...

All the problems that we face globally are the results of greed and our own selfishness. We all know this but we want our electronics and cheap goods and so we disassociate and focus on what They throw out there for us to use.

The violence, the suffering and the disparity is only going to get worse. Our only real hope for a future that isn't already written in stone lies with Americans. Although all Western Nations are complicit in this outcome - there really is only one country that could make a difference and that is the US of A.

If Americans forced their governments to:
* Stop their blind support of the Israeli Apartheid regime.
* Stopped enacting a foreign policy that is in the interest of large multinational corporations.
* Used their military might to maintain peace in the Middle East.
* Cut their greenhouse gas emissions to a meaningful amount (technology already exists).
* Spent a portion of tax dollars on helping to create a global ecomony that is fair and just.

We would have a different world ... it would not be a Utopia of non-violence and Disney movies. But it would be a world where we treat life with respect.

This can only be done by Americans because it is America that stands alone with Israel; that has engaged in an illegal war in Iraq; that is responsible for the 2nd most emissions (should note that although China has the most - it's per capita emission rate is far less than the US).

Unless Americans force this change as a supposed democracy. We can only expect more of the same.

This is the world's reality?

jnimhaoileoin

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

This is the World's reality now. We live in a globalized society that continues to exploit the poor through economic imperialistic measures. The results are global warming; extreme poverty; mass displacement; refugees; terrorism; war and suffering. Peace is a funny thing - it's a nice little term we all say we want but in reality our actions speak otherwise. You want peace? Do you really? If so, you shouldn't be buying gas from Exxon; diamonds for your weddings; bottled water from Nestle; GM food from industrialized farming operations; etc...

All the problems that we face globally are the results of greed and our own selfishness. We all know this but we want our electronics and cheap goods and so we disassociate and focus on what They throw out there for us to use.

The violence, the suffering and the disparity is only going to get worse. Our only real hope for a future that isn't already written in stone lies with Americans. Although all Western Nations are complicit in this outcome - there really is only one country that could make a difference and that is the US of A.

If Americans forced their governments to:
* Stop their blind support of the Israeli Apartheid regime.
* Stopped enacting a foreign policy that is in the interest of large multinational corporations.
* Used their military might to maintain peace in the Middle East.
* Cut their greenhouse gas emissions to a meaningful amount (technology already exists).
* Spent a portion of tax dollars on helping to create a global ecomony that is fair and just.

We would have a different world ... it would not be a Utopia of non-violence and Disney movies. But it would be a world where we treat life with respect.

This can only be done by Americans because it is America that stands alone with Israel; that has engaged in an illegal war in Iraq; that is responsible for the 2nd most emissions (should note that although China has the most - it's per capita emission rate is far less than the US).

Unless Americans force this change as a supposed democracy. We can only expect more of the same.

This is the world's reality?

Well it's not really my reality, here in Ireland we live in our own little world

BS44325

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

polaris_x

pjhawks said:

polaris_x said:

pjhawks said:

I'd love to hear what personal consequences and how your life is affected on a daily basis by what America and it's actions have done or created. Please enlighten us.


Isn't it great when people complain about corporate America...by using their Apple (or some equivalent) computer or phone, connecting via their Verizon of Comcast internet, on a band's website paying via Visa, Mastercard or American Express for access to said website, not to mention most likely sitting in their brand name clothes to post. such hypocrisy.

dude ... could you be anymore stereotypical!? ... lemme guess - you think terrorists hate america because you have the kardashians and that global warming isn't real because you're cold today?

I could drive a hummer to pick up my bottled water while dumping my mcdonalds out in the street and it still wouldn't change what is ostensibly fact ... it's like asking if someone wears leather if they voice concern for animal welfare ... AGAIN - you continue to prove my point about disassociation ... instead of thinking about what I wrote and the merits behind the sentiments - all you are doing is looking for outs or means to disregard the facts ... it's so lazy and sad ...

deflect and failed to answer my simple query. not surprising.

You gotta be kidding me!?

You ask an irrelevant question. Made irrelevant by my response. If the biggest terrorist stands up and says killing of innocent people is bad - is he wrong? I also pointed out that you pose these questions because you lack the ability to respond to the content I posted. You have not once addressed any of it - just looked for the easiest thing you could think of to discredit it without actually focusing on the facts. Lazy but not surprising.

Everyone is a hypocrite - no one can argue against that. Using hypocrisy as a way of avoidance is what is sad.

If you are going to disassociate until I answer - then consider me to be the worst environmentalist, a polluter, a racist, just a horrible human being. Then tell me how that has any relevance to what I've stated except to give you a reason not to listen.

polaris_x

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

ldent42

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

I mean he obviously doesn't like Obama. Aside from the rhetoric about sitting him on an impalement rod (the fuck?) this guy ain't that far off. Since it's been discovered that SB was a terrorist attack, then the intelligence agencies who have all the resources in the world (in the form of the patriot act) ought to have some level of responsibility for not having any intel on this prior to the act.

Nothing wrong with calling on those leaders in charge to be held accountible and accept responsibility. No, I don't think Obama should resign to stand trial. But I understand the sentiment.

BS44325

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

polaris_x

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

BS44325

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

And yet you expect everyone on here to accept one guy's rant on the AMT as the world's reality...

Check your privilege!

polaris_x

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

And yet you expect everyone on here to accept one guy's rant on the AMT as the world's reality...

Check your privilege!

are you serious? again - feel free to counter my statements ... no one has been able to including yourself ...

the video you posted isn't someone ranting about the world's reality ... he's talking about one thing and one thing only ... he's not claiming to be addressing our global reality ...

BS44325

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

And yet you expect everyone on here to accept one guy's rant on the AMT as the world's reality...

Check your privilege!

are you serious? again - feel free to counter my statements ... no one has been able to including yourself ...

the video you posted isn't someone ranting about the world's reality ... he's talking about one thing and one thing only ... he's not claiming to be addressing our global reality ...

He is ranting about the war against radical islam and secular survival for his people, country, and region. That is reality for a large part of the world right now and you think if America only fulfills the following checklist that we will move closer to "utopia"

"If Americans forced their governments to:
* Stop their blind support of the Israeli Apartheid regime.
* Stopped enacting a foreign policy that is in the interest of large multinational corporations.
* Used their military might to maintain peace in the Middle East.
* Cut their greenhouse gas emissions to a meaningful amount (technology already exists).
* Spent a portion of tax dollars on helping to create a global ecomony that is fair and just."

So I guess my only question is are you the one that's serious?

PJfanwillneverleave1

I wouldn't say our fate lies with the Americans.
They are a super power that the world does not deny sure but I am quite certain at the end of the day they make the short list of countries globally that we can trust.

polaris_x

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

And yet you expect everyone on here to accept one guy's rant on the AMT as the world's reality...

Check your privilege!

are you serious? again - feel free to counter my statements ... no one has been able to including yourself ...

the video you posted isn't someone ranting about the world's reality ... he's talking about one thing and one thing only ... he's not claiming to be addressing our global reality ...

He is ranting about the war against radical islam and secular survival for his people, country, and region. That is reality for a large part of the world right now and you think if America only fulfills the following checklist that we will move closer to "utopia"

"If Americans forced their governments to:
* Stop their blind support of the Israeli Apartheid regime.
* Stopped enacting a foreign policy that is in the interest of large multinational corporations.
* Used their military might to maintain peace in the Middle East.
* Cut their greenhouse gas emissions to a meaningful amount (technology already exists).
* Spent a portion of tax dollars on helping to create a global ecomony that is fair and just."

So I guess my only question is are you the one that's serious?

ok - you win ... if you really think that terrorism is the only problem in the world right now and that one country's survival within it is the single biggest reality for much of the world - then we can't have a rational discussion ...

and YES - if americans did do what I said in the checklist ... the world would be a more peaceful place ... I don't believe in Utopia nor have I ever suggested it ... but if you list ALL the major issues facing the world today ... issues you don't seem capable of discussing ... you can see that the US is at the heart of most of it ...

polaris_x

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I wouldn't say our fate lies with the Americans.
They are a super power that the world does not deny sure but I am quite certain at the end of the day they make the short list of countries globally that we can trust.

what does our supposed "trust" have anything to do with what I posted? it is about their influence on the world currently and how if that influenced were redirected - how that would change ...

BS44325

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

polaris_x said:

BS44325 said:

This seems to be a more accurate commentary on the world's reality

http://youtu.be/aTwP_0zXQiw

how is this one guy's reality any different than the reality I've posted?

Egypt is fighting for survival against Islamic radicalism and clearly does not see America to be the problem that you see it to be. The fight against this strain of islam is reality while your initial post is fantasy.

I would take you more seriously if you would point out anything that is not factual about my statements. It would also help if you didn't take some rant from one guy in Egypt to represent the world's reality.

I think you've missed the boat completely.

And yet you expect everyone on here to accept one guy's rant on the AMT as the world's reality...

Check your privilege!

are you serious? again - feel free to counter my statements ... no one has been able to including yourself ...

the video you posted isn't someone ranting about the world's reality ... he's talking about one thing and one thing only ... he's not claiming to be addressing our global reality ...

He is ranting about the war against radical islam and secular survival for his people, country, and region. That is reality for a large part of the world right now and you think if America only fulfills the following checklist that we will move closer to "utopia"

"If Americans forced their governments to:
* Stop their blind support of the Israeli Apartheid regime.
* Stopped enacting a foreign policy that is in the interest of large multinational corporations.
* Used their military might to maintain peace in the Middle East.
* Cut their greenhouse gas emissions to a meaningful amount (technology already exists).
* Spent a portion of tax dollars on helping to create a global ecomony that is fair and just."

So I guess my only question is are you the one that's serious?

ok - you win ... if you really think that terrorism is the only problem in the world right now and that one country's survival within it is the single biggest reality for much of the world - then we can't have a rational discussion ...

and YES - if americans did do what I said in the checklist ... the world would be a more peaceful place ... I don't believe in Utopia nor have I ever suggested it ... but if you list ALL the major issues facing the world today ... issues you don't seem capable of discussing ... you can see that the US is at the heart of most of it ...

I discuss these issues all the time. Even the people who disagree with me on here will back me up on that.

PJfanwillneverleave1

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I wouldn't say our fate lies with the Americans.
They are a super power that the world does not deny sure but I am quite certain at the end of the day they make the short list of countries globally that we can trust.

what does our supposed "trust" have anything to do with what I posted? it is about their influence on the world currently and how if that influenced were redirected - how that would change ...

Your OP suggests that if Americans were to follow your checklist then peace would be obtained.
They have a big influence on the world yes but I also think that they are part of a bigger package when they say they are an ally to a country on environmental issues. Part of me thinks that when the rest of the world stops thinking of Americans of having a view such as the pic below (although funny) progress can be made.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I wouldn't say our fate lies with the Americans.
They are a super power that the world does not deny sure but I am quite certain at the end of the day they make the short list of countries globally that we can trust.

what does our supposed "trust" have anything to do with what I posted? it is about their influence on the world currently and how if that influenced were redirected - how that would change ...

Your OP suggests that if Americans were to follow your checklist then peace would be obtained.
They have a big influence on the world yes but I also think that they are part of a bigger package when they say they are an ally to a country on environmental issues. Part of me thinks that when the rest of the world stops thinking of Americans of having a view such as the pic below (although funny) progress can be made.

Oh, but for so many here that rings true!

ldent42

canada should say " hockey"

mickeyrat

ldent42 said:

canada should say " hockey"

Or attic.

callen

Or sane Americans.