Bernie Sanders for President

Free

If you think it's about grasping at straws you didn't read it.

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

After String Of Losses, Sanders Campaign To Lay Off 'Hundreds' Of Staffers http://n.pr/1SKTFn4

Excellent Sun Tzu strategy.

And don't forget-- breathe.

The Five Stages of Grief:

#1 - Denial

Not grieving at all. No matter what happens, I still have hope (as in my oft quoted Haclav Havel statement) which I will never get from Hillary Inc., and not matter what happens, Bernie has started into motion the much needed change from a corporate run world that, unless you are in the 1% rich, is not in your best interest.

So by the way, how's that job working for Hillary going?

mrussel1

Great. She just sent me to philly 1. Thanks HRC!

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

Great. She just sent me to philly 1. Thanks HRC!

Well hot damn, that hard to beat!

No so good on our side- most of us got laid off *

But we're still working anyway!

Not that I was ever really hired of course. In fact, being a Bernie fan cost me money. Money well spent!

EarlWelsh

dignin said:

Free said:

You guys are like the mainstream media. No one pays attention to the mainstream media because they know better.

AND, it's not over when Clinton does not have the nomination.

Barring a huge scandal and Hillary dropping out, it's over.

He should stay in the race but I want him to stop the attacks and focus on his message.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/26/11515050/bernie-sanders-admits-its-over

What are the attacks? I've been seeing this so much, especially from Clinton supporters, and I just don't get it. Maybe I have a different idea of what an attack is from one campaign to another.

ckravitz

Free said:

https://theindependentthinker2016.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/how-bernie-sanders-will-win-the-democratic-nomination/

"Hillary Clinton has accumulated approximately 12 million votes thus far.

She will more than likely have around 20 million voters by the time the primaries have concluded.

Compare this with the 60 million voters Barack Obama had in the 2008 general election and you see that Hillary is not even close to acquiring the votes needed to win the presidency."

What in the world do votes in a primary have to do with votes in a general? There are several reasons why these two numbers have nothing to do with one another beyond the obvious that the candidate with the most primary votes will be in the general (in normal circumstances).

Free

For the math lovers.

This is What Will Happen at the Democratic Convention

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

jeffbr

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

rgambs

Free said:

For the math lovers.

This is What Will Happen at the Democratic Convention

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

Suddenly math is your friend lol

rgambs

jeffbr said:

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

If an indictment, or even a criminal referral, comes before June Bernie will be the only thing standing between America and president Chump.

jeffbr

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

If an indictment, or even a criminal referral, comes before June Bernie will be the only thing standing between America and president Chump.

Good point, and for that reason alone it makes sense for him to ride it out.

rgambs

jeffbr said:

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

If an indictment, or even a criminal referral, comes before June Bernie will be the only thing standing between America and president Chump.

Good point, and for that reason alone it makes sense for him to ride it out.

I just hope if such a thing is coming, it comes before the convention.

Free

jeffbr said:

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

If an indictment, or even a criminal referral, comes before June Bernie will be the only thing standing between America and president Chump.

Good point, and for that reason alone it makes sense for him to ride it out.

Did you read the article? The reason for him to ride it out isn't only because of a possible indictment, (I doubt it though), it's because Hillary won't have enough delegates to win the nomination. By Sanders staying in and winning delegates, it will cause a contested convention.

jeffbr

Free said:

jeffbr said:

rgambs said:

jeffbr said:

I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination, but also understand why he and his supporters want him to stay in until the convention. He still has a voice and still has some impact. This has been a goofy, unpredictable primary campaign for both parties, but I don't see how Sanders actually wins the nomination.

Math from a different perspective as well: A Sanders Comeback Would Be Unprecedented

If an indictment, or even a criminal referral, comes before June Bernie will be the only thing standing between America and president Chump.

Good point, and for that reason alone it makes sense for him to ride it out.

Did you read the article? The reason for him to ride it out isn't only because of a possible indictment, (I doubt it though), it's because Hillary won't have enough delegates to win the nomination. By Sanders staying in and winning delegates, it will cause a contested convention.

I did read the article and the author seems to think the super-delegates aren't going to do what many have already pledged, and vote for Hillary. Apparently, according to the article, they aren't going to vote for Hillary because they know they'll lose the vote of independents and Bernie supporters, essentially handing the election to Trump. The super-delegates will apparently jump on the Bernie bandwagon to insure the independent vote, and the votes of disaffected Republicans. It is a theory, I suppose. I guess we'll see. I don't think it is that simple. All of the math added up, but it was based on assumptions made by the author, many of which are pretty speculative. That's why I posted a counter argument, also math based, which showed a pretty difficult comeback needed by Bernie.

But what about Obama? Sanders supporters have compared their candidate’s current deficit to Obama’s in 2008, but at this point in that election Obama was actually winning by 143 pledged delegates — enough that Clinton, despite still holding a lead in superdelegates, was receiving pressure to drop out of the race. In fact, Obama was at no point in 2008 actually behind Clinton in pledged delegates. It’s just that the media usually included superdelegates in their counts in 2008, and the DNC has instructed them not to this time around. That’s because we’ve learned our lesson: Superdelegates can change their mind. Unfortunately for Sanders, pledged delegates can’t.

If Obama isn’t a good comparison for Sanders, who is? There’s no good answer to this question because most candidates in Sanders’s position dropped out long before this point in the race. The median comeback score for a candidate on the day he ends his campaign is 53 percent; Sanders is, as of today, over 58 percent. He crossed over the 53 percent mark on March 12, back when Marco Rubio was still in the Republican race.

To reiterate: I’m not counting superdelegates. If I were, his comeback score would be 83 percent.

brianlux

Free said:

For the math lovers.

This is What Will Happen at the Democratic Convention

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

We will definitely be putting on the push for Bernie here in California. Yes, it's an uphill battle but no, we aren't giving up.

What happened to this country anyway? Look how quickly people cave in and say, "It can't (or won't happen." Since when did we become incapable of fighting and beating the odds? No me. I see no reason to cave in. Not on this issue, not on global warming, not on species extinction and not on my hopes that "Riot Act" and "No Code" will be reissued on vinyl so that I can finally hear what they really sound like.

Come on people, brave the change. It will be good for you!

PJ_Soul

I more have the impression that it's about having absolutely no faith in a rigged system, not being unwilling to brave the change or about giving up when the numbers are a bit grim.

hedonist

He's out here today - this whole weekend, I believe.

And yup, lots of hands manipulating it all in ways.

Free

I bet his rallies in CA will be yuuuuuge!!

brianlux

Free said:

I bet his rallies in CA will be yuuuuuge!!

For sure! Only I can't find any speaking engagements near Sacramento. Surely he will come to our state capitol which is an hour away but I can't find an event. Argh!

Free

brianlux said:

Free said:

I bet his rallies in CA will be yuuuuuge!!

For sure! Only I can't find any speaking engagements near Sacramento. Surely he will come to our state capitol which is an hour away but I can't find an event. Argh!

brianlux said:

Free said:

I bet his rallies in CA will be yuuuuuge!!

For sure! Only I can't find any speaking engagements near Sacramento. Surely he will come to our state capitol which is an hour away but I can't find an event. Argh!

They are usually announced within a week of the event.