Bernie Sanders for President

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited June 2016
    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    Post edited by Free on
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Oh goodness
  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dude has an open invite to run on the green party ticket ...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,685
    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
    Delusional!...
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,045
    Quite honestly, this fuckin' guy cracks me up.
  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    edited June 2016
    Free said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
    Delusional!...
    Great (and typical) response.

    Wait let me try one from the old Free playbook.... "oooooooh personal insults". Did I get it right?

    If you are truly interested in having a conversation (versus just being here to play the martyr role and snipe at everyone), please answer the question:

    What is delusional? Did he or did he not run Dem at least in part for media exposure? If not, then why would he run with a party that you have so eloquently pointed out earlier today that is apparently so different from him? What could his motives to run Dem have been if not for expanded attention?
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,774
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    There is no legitimate source for the information. It came from a facebook post.
    So not from the State of California election commission, not from the DNC, not from bernie sanders.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
    Delusional!...
    Great (and typical) response.

    Wait let me try one from the old Free playbook.... "oooooooh personal insults". Did I get it right?

    If you are truly interested in having a conversation (versus just being here to play the martyr role and snipe at everyone), please answer the question:

    What is delusional? Did he or did he not run Dem at least in part for media exposure? If not, then why would he run with a party that you have so eloquently pointed out earlier today that is apparently so different from him? What could his motives to run Dem have been if not for expanded attention?
    You are merely trying to bring up points redundant now. We all know what kind of attention he got from the media. Your questions are used to bait and I won't bite. Want answers? Research.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    A month of so ago, I was going to lunch and chatting with someone on my team while riding the elevator down. Another 20 something female who I work with was also on the elevator and I could tell there was something she really really wanted to say. She eventually decided to just rudely interrupt our conversation in an panicked voice say "DID YOU KNOW BERNIE SANDERS IS IN CENTER CITY?!??! HE WAS JUST AT 16TH AND JFK!!!"

    Was that you Free?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Interesting read. He makes a lot of great points and arrives at his conclusions based on rationality and history.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • ckravitzckravitz NJ Posts: 1,668
    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
    Delusional!...
    Great (and typical) response.

    Wait let me try one from the old Free playbook.... "oooooooh personal insults". Did I get it right?

    If you are truly interested in having a conversation (versus just being here to play the martyr role and snipe at everyone), please answer the question:

    What is delusional? Did he or did he not run Dem at least in part for media exposure? If not, then why would he run with a party that you have so eloquently pointed out earlier today that is apparently so different from him? What could his motives to run Dem have been if not for expanded attention?
    You are merely trying to bring up points redundant now. We all know what kind of attention he got from the media. Your questions are used to bait and I won't bite. Want answers? Research.
    Hysterical. You made this statement, TODAY, not me:
    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure.

    If you don't see how choices he has made were directly tied to greater exposure, no amount of research will convince you.

    But nifty dodging anyway. Have a nice day.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    jeffbr said:

    Interesting read. He makes a lot of great points and arrives at his conclusions based on rationality and history.
    Yeah, I thought it was interesting and well thought out.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    ckravitz said:

    Free said:

    hedonist said:

    Free said:

    https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10208406839661545/

    "This video is a live feed from Bernie arriving in Vermont. He had the opportunity for a press conference, they were all set up for him but instead he decided to go down to the corner of the intersection and be with his people, without the press!!!!

    Jane Sanders"

    This proves that Bernie Sanders is not your typical politician, and prove that he really is for the people.

    That's...admirable? He's seemed to embrace and use media exposure in other instances. More to come, I believe.

    I think it's important to balance fervor with objectivity.

    (in fact, scratch the former!)
    That was not media exposure, it was personal video, posted to a Sanders group. Hardly media.

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure, when his rallies were nothing but ignored.

    He not only would embrace some media exposure, it's owed to him as a presidential candidate!
    Uh, didn't he basically run as a Dem (vs Indy) to ensure he got broader media coverage than an indy usually gets?
    Seems like an obvious, did he? Did he get half the coverage the others got? Hell, no.
    It's hard to find any other answer that's not "YES". The questions was posed because of this statement:

    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure

    Let's not pretend that he's some kind of better person because he didn't at least attempt to use media to his advantage, because he most certainly has. Not that there is anything wrong with using media when your aim is to reach people, it's just that saying he hasn't and painting him in some weird better-than-the-others light because of it is just odd.
    Delusional!...
    Great (and typical) response.

    Wait let me try one from the old Free playbook.... "oooooooh personal insults". Did I get it right?

    If you are truly interested in having a conversation (versus just being here to play the martyr role and snipe at everyone), please answer the question:

    What is delusional? Did he or did he not run Dem at least in part for media exposure? If not, then why would he run with a party that you have so eloquently pointed out earlier today that is apparently so different from him? What could his motives to run Dem have been if not for expanded attention?
    You are merely trying to bring up points redundant now. We all know what kind of attention he got from the media. Your questions are used to bait and I won't bite. Want answers? Research.
    Hysterical. You made this statement, TODAY, not me:
    And please, point out where he's gotten and used media exposure.

    If you don't see how choices he has made were directly tied to greater exposure, no amount of research will convince you.

    But nifty dodging anyway. Have a nice day.
    Of course he ran as a Dem for wider exposure and it worked. He'd have received absolutely no coverage if he didn't have a 'D' by his name, and his campaign would have resembled the Occupy Movement. The D gained him coverage and relevancy. As far as coverage of his rallies, I saw plenty. Certainly every time he held a rally in Seattle it was all over the news. These weren't some stealth events, they were broadcast, talked about, and even disrupted (thanks to the #blacklivesmatter fools). So to say he had no exposure means one is either deliberately deceiving, or wasn't paying attention.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,350
    So the system is rigged and as soon as the mail in ballots are counted Sanders will win? And those mail in ballots irritate Clinton supporters.....huh??

    Is that what I'm reading here?
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,045

    jeffbr said:

    Interesting read. He makes a lot of great points and arrives at his conclusions based on rationality and history.
    Yeah, I thought it was interesting and well thought out.
    ...as opposed to....
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,685

    jeffbr said:

    Interesting read. He makes a lot of great points and arrives at his conclusions based on rationality and history.
    Yeah, I thought it was interesting and well thought out.
    ...as opposed to....
    asinine and haphazard?
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,152
    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,045
    mrussel1 said:

    jeffbr said:

    Interesting read. He makes a lot of great points and arrives at his conclusions based on rationality and history.
    Yeah, I thought it was interesting and well thought out.
    ...as opposed to....
    asinine and haphazard?
    Sure, we can use that. I think I was being more rhetorical than anything.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    benjs said:

    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
    Based on what happened in Washington state, the mail-in ballots favor Secretary Clinton. Senator Sanders won the state's delegates in the WA Caucus, but it was reversed for the WA Primary (although no delegates were distributed for the Primary). Why there are both formats, I don't know but it's easier for many people who can't get to a caucus to send in a ballot by mail and they did.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    really, it was over after New York.

    He needs to change gears and help defeat Trump
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,685
    edited June 2016
    Kat said:

    benjs said:

    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
    Based on what happened in Washington state, the mail-in ballots favor Secretary Clinton. Senator Sanders won the state's delegates in the WA Caucus, but it was reversed for the WA Primary (although no delegates were distributed for the Primary). Why there are both formats, I don't know but it's easier for many people who can't get to a caucus to send in a ballot by mail and they did.
    True. I wouldn't mind seeing caususes go. They are impossible for people who work on weekends, single parents, disabled, etc. They reduce turnout. I think if SD's get eliminated, so will the caucus.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,913
    Kat said:

    benjs said:

    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
    Based on what happened in Washington state, the mail-in ballots favor Secretary Clinton. Senator Sanders won the state's delegates in the WA Caucus, but it was reversed for the WA Primary (although no delegates were distributed for the Primary). Why there are both formats, I don't know but it's easier for many people who can't get to a caucus to send in a ballot by mail and they did.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,685

    Kat said:

    benjs said:

    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
    Based on what happened in Washington state, the mail-in ballots favor Secretary Clinton. Senator Sanders won the state's delegates in the WA Caucus, but it was reversed for the WA Primary (although no delegates were distributed for the Primary). Why there are both formats, I don't know but it's easier for many people who can't get to a caucus to send in a ballot by mail and they did.
    Hi Kat
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited June 2016
    benjs said:

    jeffbr said:

    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:


    So far, Hillary has won about 440,000 more recorded votes than Bernie in California. But several independent organizations estimate that up to 3 million ballots still need to be counted, primarily mail-in and provisional ballots (which overwhelmingly skew in favor of Bernie by an estimated 40% margin).

    No, Hillary has not won California. We won't know the ultimate victor until as late as July 15th. In fact, given the above numbers, it is almost certain that Bernie actually won. Don't blindly buy into the misleading media narrative.

    His California victory will mean nothing if Bernie is forced to suspend his campaign before the final results are released. So while the media spreads lies and the establishment pressures Bernie to exit the race, we must keep the revolution alive.

    Can you provide the source that says mail in ballots favor Bernie? That's an interesting take considering the exit polls of the mail in ballots heavily favored Hillary. Second, the same day/live voting was basically tied, which means the 400k margin was built on mail in. Seems like more fanciful Bernie supporter math that has never panned out to this day. Second, it doesn't mean one goddamm thing at the end of the day. What if Bernie wins CA 51-49 (he won't)? It doesn't change the fact that she won majority of pledged, raw votes and SD's. No matter how many times his supporters move the goal posts, the end is the same.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/june-7-new-jersey-california-primary-presidential-election-2016/
    The mere fact that there's a few million mailed in votes yet to be counted will piss every Hillarysupporter off. :lol:
    Why? As MRussell said (and backed up in the article he quoted), Sanders and Clinton were pretty even at the polls on Tuesday. That means Clinton's lead came from mail-in ballots. Why would Hillary supporters be pissed off at having more mail-in ballots still to be counted if that was where they were receiving favorable results? Sounds like they'd welcome those ballots.
    Exactly. Any reasonable statistician would extrapolate that Clinton's lead would then grow.
    All mere speculation. We will see, won't we. Continue with your speculation that is so one-sided and still so hateful of Sanders it's hilarious. ( not you personally Benjs, all the Hillary bots).
    I don't hate Clinton half as much as some of you hate Sanders. Try to enjoy life.
    Post edited by Free on
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