Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

OnWis97 said:

Percentage of Canadians whose vote was impacted by their negative feelings towards Trump? Certainly not zero. Don't say Trump doesn't have coattails...he very well have delivered that victory yesterday.

Trump was a factor well before the 51st state stuff. I said it years ago, months ago, weeks ago..... if a Canadian Conservative Party wants to run Canada... they need to do everything in their power to avoid comparisons to the populist tactics that Trump uses daily. They did not. They lost. 

Original_Shifty

HughFreakingDillon said:

PP lost his own seat. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

I couldn't believe that when I heard this, this morning. Good for this constituents.

dignin

CBC projecting a minority government.

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

CBC projecting a minority government.

Now I get to call it the Carney Broadcasting Corporation, lol!

BF89905

Parksy said:

OnWis97 said:

Percentage of Canadians whose vote was impacted by their negative feelings towards Trump? Certainly not zero. Don't say Trump doesn't have coattails...he very well have delivered that victory yesterday.

Trump was a factor well before the 51st state stuff. I said it years ago, months ago, weeks ago..... if a Canadian Conservative Party wants to run Canada... they need to do everything in their power to avoid comparisons to the populist tactics that Trump uses daily. They did not. They lost. 

Exactly. Additionally, Poilievre is an elitist who acts like he's holier than thou. Good on Bruce Fanjoy to unseat him in his Carleton riding. We haven't had any door visits from a provincial or federal candidate in eight years and we live 30 minutes from downtown Toronto. Part of Fanjoy's success story is that he apparently spent significant time the past two years going door-to-door asking for people's support. That's all it took.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs

Parksy

BF89905 said:

Parksy said:

OnWis97 said:

Percentage of Canadians whose vote was impacted by their negative feelings towards Trump? Certainly not zero. Don't say Trump doesn't have coattails...he very well have delivered that victory yesterday.

Trump was a factor well before the 51st state stuff. I said it years ago, months ago, weeks ago..... if a Canadian Conservative Party wants to run Canada... they need to do everything in their power to avoid comparisons to the populist tactics that Trump uses daily. They did not. They lost. 

Exactly. Additionally, Poilievre is an elitist who acts like he's holier than thou. Good on Bruce Fanjoy to unseat him in his Carleton riding. We haven't had any door visits from a provincial or federal candidate in eight years and we live 30 minutes from downtown Toronto. Part of Fanjoy's success story is that he apparently spent significant time the past two years going door-to-door asking for people's support. That's all it took.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnmgL5CZqfs

One of my good friends is in Pierre's riding...  a few days before the election I asked what the scene is like there.  In the 7 or 8 days leading up to the election, he had NINE people at his door campaigning. 5 for Pierre, 4 for Bruce. 

My only thought was 'that must have been crazy annoying'   lol 

Parksy

Just seeing some of the American media's take on our election and the general consensus is that the Liberals were the "Anti-Trump" party. 

Am I the only Canadian not buying that analogy?  It also speaks volumes to America's liberal media. 

I agree that Pierre and the Conservatives as a while used similar tactics... but I don't think any one of the parties were anywhere close to being "Pro-Trump."   Thoughts? 

PJ_Soul

Parksy said:

Just seeing some of the American media's take on our election and the general consensus is that the Liberals were the "Anti-Trump" party. 

Am I the only Canadian not buying that analogy?  It also speaks volumes to America's liberal media. 

I agree that Pierre and the Conservatives as a while used similar tactics... but I don't think any one of the parties were anywhere close to being "Pro-Trump."   Thoughts? 

I don't think that the liberals being "the anti-Trump party" leads to the Conservatives being the pro-Trump party at all, and i don't think that is what the US media was trying to suggest.

DarthMaeglin

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

PJ_Soul

DarthMaeglin said:

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

What??

PP definitely ran a campaign that reminded people of Trump in several ways, and that is very off-putting and makes a lot of people wary. His brand of populism is what will inch Canada closer and closer to a real MAGA-equivalent situation. That still doesn't mean PP ran a "pro-Trump" campaign.

DarthMaeglin

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

What??

PP definitely ran a campaign that reminded people of Trump in several ways, and that is very off-putting and makes a lot of people wary. His brand of populism is what will inch Canada closer and closer to a real MAGA-equivalent situation. That still doesn't mean PP ran a "pro-Trump" campaign.

A claim I asked numerous times to be proven and all I’ve ever gotten was his style…that was incredibly reminiscent of Justin circa 2015.

I suppose it’s the supporters that are seen as MAGA.

PJ_Soul

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

What??

PP definitely ran a campaign that reminded people of Trump in several ways, and that is very off-putting and makes a lot of people wary. His brand of populism is what will inch Canada closer and closer to a real MAGA-equivalent situation. That still doesn't mean PP ran a "pro-Trump" campaign.

A claim I asked numerous times to be proven and all I’ve ever gotten was his style…that was incredibly reminiscent of Justin circa 2015.

I suppose it’s the supporters that are seen as MAGA.

Some of his supporters are definitely presenting as a real problem IMO. The freedom trucker types, the ones hung up about LGBTQ and trans issues, the anti-choicers, etc etc... and the actual Canadian Trump supporters, who absolutely mystify me. Some of them actually donated to Trump's campaign. What the fuck is that about?? So weird. My mom's neighbor is one of them (and pretty fanatically religious). She just comes off as nuts.

PJ_Soul

I think what really took the wind out of PP's sails, though, wasn't anti-Trump sentiments. It was losing Trudeau as his punching bag. So many of his supporters seemed to emotionally thrive on hating JT, and once he was gone, a lot of the hot air was let out of the balloon.

DarthMaeglin

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

What??

PP definitely ran a campaign that reminded people of Trump in several ways, and that is very off-putting and makes a lot of people wary. His brand of populism is what will inch Canada closer and closer to a real MAGA-equivalent situation. That still doesn't mean PP ran a "pro-Trump" campaign.

A claim I asked numerous times to be proven and all I’ve ever gotten was his style…that was incredibly reminiscent of Justin circa 2015.

I suppose it’s the supporters that are seen as MAGA.

Some of his supporters are definitely presenting as a real problem IMO. The freedom trucker types, the ones hung up about LGBTQ and trans issues, the anti-choicers, etc etc... and the actual Canadian Trump supporters, who absolutely mystify me. Some of them actually donated to Trump's campaign. What the fuck is that about?? So weird. My mom's neighbor is one of them (and pretty fanatically religious). She just comes off as nuts.

I wonder how representative the groups you listed are of the larger movement. Obviously here those types get played up and are used to belittle Conservatives in general.

And it needs to be recognized that the other side doesn’t see “progressives” in a positive light. What’s good for the goose, I guess.

PJ_Soul

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

So now the Conservatives aren’t MAGA North? Seems like the election was run on just that premise but I’m too biased to see things clearly.

What??

PP definitely ran a campaign that reminded people of Trump in several ways, and that is very off-putting and makes a lot of people wary. His brand of populism is what will inch Canada closer and closer to a real MAGA-equivalent situation. That still doesn't mean PP ran a "pro-Trump" campaign.

A claim I asked numerous times to be proven and all I’ve ever gotten was his style…that was incredibly reminiscent of Justin circa 2015.

I suppose it’s the supporters that are seen as MAGA.

Some of his supporters are definitely presenting as a real problem IMO. The freedom trucker types, the ones hung up about LGBTQ and trans issues, the anti-choicers, etc etc... and the actual Canadian Trump supporters, who absolutely mystify me. Some of them actually donated to Trump's campaign. What the fuck is that about?? So weird. My mom's neighbor is one of them (and pretty fanatically religious). She just comes off as nuts.

I wonder how representative the groups you listed are of the larger movement. Obviously here those types get played up and are used to belittle Conservatives in general.

And it needs to be recognized that the other side doesn’t see “progressives” in a positive light. What’s good for the goose, I guess.

That's why I said "some". Obviously others are just economically conservative and thought PP could do better for the economy in the way they think it should be done. Others are super anti-immigrant (my family included - my sister is actually straight up racist), and/or really into the tough on crime thing... of course, who besides criminals isn't interested in being tough on crime?? I feel like all voters want change on that front. Hopefully Carney knows that. I'm pretty sure he does.

brianlux

Call me naive or, better yet, educate me.  I thought Canada was above this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/30/mark-carney-canada-prime-minister-far-right

Canada narrowly missed a far-right prime minister. But we’re not in the clear yet

After a snap election, weeks of breathless campaigning and a surprisingly close race, Mark Carney has been elected prime minister of Canada. It’s a win for Liberals, who were rightly nervous that former prime minister Justin Trudeau’s poor performance and late-stage missteps might cost them this election. But Carney’s win isn’t as comforting as it should be, especially when we look at all the events leading up to it.

More at link.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

Call me naive or, better yet, educate me.  I thought Canada was above this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/30/mark-carney-canada-prime-minister-far-right

Canada narrowly missed a far-right prime minister. But we’re not in the clear yet

After a snap election, weeks of breathless campaigning and a surprisingly close race, Mark Carney has been elected prime minister of Canada. It’s a win for Liberals, who were rightly nervous that former prime minister Justin Trudeau’s poor performance and late-stage missteps might cost them this election. But Carney’s win isn’t as comforting as it should be, especially when we look at all the events leading up to it.

More at link.

Ever since Trump's first term, that kind of shit has been slowly bleeding over the boarder and taking hold. No nation is immune to right wing populism.

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Call me naive or, better yet, educate me.  I thought Canada was above this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/30/mark-carney-canada-prime-minister-far-right

Canada narrowly missed a far-right prime minister. But we’re not in the clear yet

After a snap election, weeks of breathless campaigning and a surprisingly close race, Mark Carney has been elected prime minister of Canada. It’s a win for Liberals, who were rightly nervous that former prime minister Justin Trudeau’s poor performance and late-stage missteps might cost them this election. But Carney’s win isn’t as comforting as it should be, especially when we look at all the events leading up to it.

More at link.

Ever since Trump's first term, that kind of shit has been slowly bleeding over the boarder and taking hold. No nation is immune to right wing populism.

That's both sad and scary.  Sometimes it feels like most of the world in going radical right.  That just feels flat out crazy to me.

DarthMaeglin

brianlux said:

Call me naive or, better yet, educate me.  I thought Canada was above this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/30/mark-carney-canada-prime-minister-far-right

Canada narrowly missed a far-right prime minister. But we’re not in the clear yet

After a snap election, weeks of breathless campaigning and a surprisingly close race, Mark Carney has been elected prime minister of Canada. It’s a win for Liberals, who were rightly nervous that former prime minister Justin Trudeau’s poor performance and late-stage missteps might cost them this election. But Carney’s win isn’t as comforting as it should be, especially when we look at all the events leading up to it.

More at link.

Despite the assertions of most here, the Conservative Party of Canada is nowhere near far right. The closest would be Bernier’s PPC which were less of a contender in the election than the Green Party.

 The article is long on claims but doesn’t back them up with more than innuendo and refuses to acknowledge the nastiness the other side has flung at the Conservatives (often led by the former Prime Minister). How long do people intend on holding a grudge against the Freedom Convoy, and continue shitting on their fellow citizens? A convoy that was supported by the Conservatives in no material way but gets tied directly to the party.

 I sincerely hope that PJ Soul’s right that Carney will see that law and order needs to be addressed urgently but their proposals didn’t include any real change, even presenting a 40 year old law as if it didn’t exist. Time will tell.

Original_Shifty

It's more far right than it was in the days of Joe Clark and Mulroney. Ever since Preston Manning entered the scene. It's been progressively swinging further right.