Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm guessing PP wouldn't have had a clue how to pull this off:

https://www.wallawallademocrats.com/other-voices/carneys-checkmates

Couldn’t get past the first paragraph when it turned “Carney saved the world from Trump” in tone, sorry. I’ll try and give it another read later.

The last sentence makes it another opinion piece. The reason I saw that sentence was because I had to scroll down to the bottom to see who wrote it, I guess Substacks are legitimate news sources but the chain of Sun newspapers aren’t?

I don't know why you keep ragging on all these "legit news sources" complaints. Yes, if an opinion piece is being passed off as a news article, I'm going to call it out. I didn't pass this off as either one. It is blatantly obvious it's opinion based on true events. 

The problem with many right wing media sources is, the news pieces are often so blatantly skewed anti-liberal, that they often come off as opinion articles. And yes, I'm aware you see it the opposite way. And that's fine. If the piece being presented is more fact driven than opinion, then I'll give it some credence. But some of the links you post is just trudeau/liberal bashing that is too subjective to be taken seriously. Others aren't. I only call out the ones I've read and found to be extremely biased. But for some reason you keep beating this dead horse of "well I guess you're allowed to post opinion pieces and I'm not". It comes across as whining and self-victimization. 

I stopped reading after I saw  WallaWallaDemocrats 

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm guessing PP wouldn't have had a clue how to pull this off:

https://www.wallawallademocrats.com/other-voices/carneys-checkmates

Couldn’t get past the first paragraph when it turned “Carney saved the world from Trump” in tone, sorry. I’ll try and give it another read later.

The last sentence makes it another opinion piece. The reason I saw that sentence was because I had to scroll down to the bottom to see who wrote it, I guess Substacks are legitimate news sources but the chain of Sun newspapers aren’t?

I don't know why you keep ragging on all these "legit news sources" complaints. Yes, if an opinion piece is being passed off as a news article, I'm going to call it out. I didn't pass this off as either one. It is blatantly obvious it's opinion based on true events. 

The problem with many right wing media sources is, the news pieces are often so blatantly skewed anti-liberal, that they often come off as opinion articles. And yes, I'm aware you see it the opposite way. And that's fine. If the piece being presented is more fact driven than opinion, then I'll give it some credence. But some of the links you post is just trudeau/liberal bashing that is too subjective to be taken seriously. Others aren't. I only call out the ones I've read and found to be extremely biased. But for some reason you keep beating this dead horse of "well I guess you're allowed to post opinion pieces and I'm not". It comes across as whining and self-victimization. 

Your thoughts on the button fiasco?

it's a couple idiots. Carney apologized. Nothingburger. If there's more proof later on that it originated higher up in the campaign, heads should roll. But I very much doubt it did. Carney is obviously no dope. That shit isn't acceptable. But I'm not going to hold the president of a company responsible for the individual actions of a couple of idiots in the mail room. 

I had a convo with someone the other day about lets call it 'woke stuff' and he was trying to convince me that all the rage about woke ness was from the left.  I was baffled. Like beyond baffled. And when asked to explain or show some proof... as you can expect, there was nothing. 

This 'button' fiasco.... seriously?  

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

If the Conservatives ever get caught engaging in a clear disinformation campaign against any of the other parties, remember this then, and hold your criticism.

Just like Blackface, the standard has been set here and now all must abide by it.

I feel badly for most of you here. If all had gone to plan there would have been all kinds of criticism of the Trumpian buttons the Conservatives were sporting. It’s too bad the truth came out, now you need to sweep it under the rug and defend the indefensible.

Buy Hugh’s right in calling them a “couple idiots” not for their act but for their bragging about it loudly after the fact.

when you say "the conservatives" I assume you mean the party as a whole. Yes, I would criticize that, as I would if it's found that Liberal leadership had a hand in this. 

The condescension in the rest of this post is quite something. 

HughFreakingDillon

Parksy said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm guessing PP wouldn't have had a clue how to pull this off:

https://www.wallawallademocrats.com/other-voices/carneys-checkmates

Couldn’t get past the first paragraph when it turned “Carney saved the world from Trump” in tone, sorry. I’ll try and give it another read later.

The last sentence makes it another opinion piece. The reason I saw that sentence was because I had to scroll down to the bottom to see who wrote it, I guess Substacks are legitimate news sources but the chain of Sun newspapers aren’t?

I don't know why you keep ragging on all these "legit news sources" complaints. Yes, if an opinion piece is being passed off as a news article, I'm going to call it out. I didn't pass this off as either one. It is blatantly obvious it's opinion based on true events. 

The problem with many right wing media sources is, the news pieces are often so blatantly skewed anti-liberal, that they often come off as opinion articles. And yes, I'm aware you see it the opposite way. And that's fine. If the piece being presented is more fact driven than opinion, then I'll give it some credence. But some of the links you post is just trudeau/liberal bashing that is too subjective to be taken seriously. Others aren't. I only call out the ones I've read and found to be extremely biased. But for some reason you keep beating this dead horse of "well I guess you're allowed to post opinion pieces and I'm not". It comes across as whining and self-victimization. 

I stopped reading after I saw  WallaWallaDemocrats 

haha I chuckled at that too. 

dignin

Report finds Pierre Poilievre told the most lies at last night’s leaders’ debate

Poilievre was last night’s biggest liar — by far

https://cultmtl.com/2025/04/report-finds-pierre-poilievre-told-the-most-lies-at-last-nights-leaders-debate/

But I'm more concerned with buttons 

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

Report finds Pierre Poilievre told the most lies at last night’s leaders’ debate

Poilievre was last night’s biggest liar — by far

https://cultmtl.com/2025/04/report-finds-pierre-poilievre-told-the-most-lies-at-last-nights-leaders-debate/

But I'm more concerned with buttons 

LMAO

Parksy

We've driven ourselves to a  society where politicians are judged not by lying... but by having lied the most. lol  Gimme Some Truth. 

DarthMaeglin

Carney wanted to lie more last night, but his French just wasn’t up to the task unfortunately, lol.

erebus

I would call it pretty even tonight, I don’t think anyone swayed anyone and people will probably stick to whoever they were going to vote for.

they all avoided questions.

In my opinion:
PP comes off as Trumpy “my large crowds”, “come out of jail in a box”, fake numbers “220,000 homes” under him as housing minister. He has been in politics since 2004? With no significant results 

Singh wants to spend, spend , spend

Blanchette: I have issues with him getting so much coverage not running nationally. If I were a Quebecer, great, but comes off to me as selfish. We all have to work together.

Carney: avoided a lot of direct questions, not stellar, but not a complete mess. For me kind of the middle of the road and the lesser of all evils.

again, just my opinion and I don’t think anyone is losing  ground from the debate.

no costed platforms from any party is ridiculous.

on another note, the media is in trouble with the invasion of “independent journalists “ crashing scrums and spreading their chaos.  I hate this shit

Spunkie

Good thing you were able to watch. 

I sure hate the same sound bite/rhetoric being stated four times in the first hour. 

Trying to make it through the last hour.

erebus

Should be some sort of rule that all parties must have their costed platforms released by the second week of the campaign.

Kind of ridiculous that they all left it so late.
It is easy to promise all kinds of spending, but not show how the are going to pay for it.
The other aspect that drives me nuts is promising things well into the future when the party may not even be in power anymore. 

Let's get this election over with already

DarthMaeglin

It would be nice for the PM to make a strong statement condemning China’s disinformation campaign, but when his own party employs the tactic domestically and it’s blown off as nothing, and the Chinese interference benefits his party, why would he? Maybe Carney really is a Chinese stooge?

Don’t forget your Carney rebate tomorrow for taxes that won’t be collected! Seems an awful lot like a bribe just a week out from the election, but again it’s a nothingburger here if it benefits the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/joe-tay-china-campaign-1.7514934

DarthMaeglin

And the Easter weekend gets topped off with death wishes for Trump and blame assigned to Vance for the Pope’s death. But I didn’t dare criticize the Liberals for fear of spoiling the gathering. Ain’t the current “progressive” movement grand and inclusive?

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

And the Easter weekend gets topped off with death wishes for Trump and blame assigned to Vance for the Pope’s death. But I didn’t dare criticize the Liberals for fear of spoiling the gathering. Ain’t the current “progressive” movement grand and inclusive?

Conservatives, forever hard done by.

benjs

DarthMaeglin said:

And the Easter weekend gets topped off with death wishes for Trump and blame assigned to Vance for the Pope’s death. But I didn’t dare criticize the Liberals for fear of spoiling the gathering. Ain’t the current “progressive” movement grand and inclusive?

Blame assigned to Vance? I thought that was very clearly a joke, since it practically writes itself. 

Death wishes for Trump - I haven’t seen any of those, though I’m happy to state honestly that I feel the world would be better and overall have less suffering and death without him. 

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

And the Easter weekend gets topped off with death wishes for Trump and blame assigned to Vance for the Pope’s death. But I didn’t dare criticize the Liberals for fear of spoiling the gathering. Ain’t the current “progressive” movement grand and inclusive?

I guess someone isn’t familiar wirh the tolerance paradox. Give it a go. Might be of assistance. 

DarthMaeglin

Progressives are assholes and I’m the problem, got it.

dignin

DarthMaeglin said:

Progressives are assholes and I’m the problem, got it.

Someone is starting to believe the polling and getting angry.

DarthMaeglin

dignin said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Progressives are assholes and I’m the problem, got it.

Someone is starting to believe the polling and getting angry.

Not at all, though I read them with disappointment in my fellow citizens. If Canadians want to help Trump take over our country, reelecting the Liberal Party is one of the most effective ways. Carney will continue to keep us dependent on blood oil and handcuff our economy with carbon tariffs.

 Don’t forget the brilliant brilliancy of his pledge to take away the firearms licenses of those convicted of violent crimes…a law that’s been on the books since 1985.

I loved his Trumpian ceremony on his first day, signing a document in a black folder with a sharpie. Except the document has no legal force or bearing, so it could be said his first act as PM was a lie.

Has Carney explained how only the corporations won’t pass their carbon tax down to us the consumers?

HAS CARNEY CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNED CHINA’S INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION? OR DOES HE STILL THINK IT’S A JOKE TO ENCOURAGE A CANADIAN CITIZEN ON CANADIAN SOIL BE KIDNAPPED AND DELIVERED TO A FOREIGN POWER?

DarthMaeglin

Don’t forget to collect your Carbon Bribe today!