Canadian Politics Redux

BF89905

The Ontario PC's = incompetent corruption..... let's hope all those involved end up prosecuted for fraud. The prospective Ontario Place spa/casino/under parking garage is the same shady garbage. 

It is such a poor commentary on how many, many people view politicians across this province that this government got re-elected solely because they refunded arbitrary amounts of money for license renewal fees prior to the election. The fact that the losing Liberal and NDP candidates end up becoming mayors of cities is also laughable.

This PC government continues to spew financial numbers that suggest they're improving and care about public health care and education, and the lives of the vast majority of Ontarians, when in actuality they've done nothing to really help anyone except the elite.

You want to really try to help the housing pinch in this province, perhaps try the following:
-ban short term rentals
-tax the heck out of people that own more than one rental property...... make it so uncomfortable that they're forced to sell.
-establish limits on what can be charged for rent
-push people back to their place of work for 5 days per week

These suggestions may anger some, so be it, they're not meant to assist those that benefit from the prone positions of other people. More we than me policies will likely lead to a happier and healthier society. Most importantly, families and people will be much more likely to afford a home.

HughFreakingDillon

I honestly had zero clue about the negative effect that short term rentals (AirBnb) have on housing. The RM of the beach we go to recently outlawed short term rentals shorter than a month. I couldn't understand why. I guess they don't want it becoming a resort town. They prefer community. Which makes sense. 

But in cities, it's obviously a different, and bigger, issue. 

DarthMaeglin

So the guy flying commercial arrived first and had the plane fixed before the TWO other jets that were dispatched arrived on scene. Cue the Keystone Kops music, lol. All in all more egg on all our faces in the end.

One does have to wonder if this mishap would have occurred if Trudeau wasn’t flying pretty much daily.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-on-way-home-from-india-1.6963793

HughFreakingDillon

does he travel unnecessarily? seems to me most of them are meeting with international heads of state. transportation of any kind obviously always need upkeep and repairs. maybe conservatives would prefer he buy a new plane?

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

does he travel unnecessarily? seems to me most of them are meeting with international heads of state. transportation of any kind obviously always need upkeep and repairs. maybe conservatives would prefer he buy a new plane?

This betrays my supposed obsession with the man, but you clearly need to look at his agenda more often. The vast majority of his trips are domestic and more often than not simple photo ops as opposed to anything of real substance (the permanent campaign that all politicians engage in, but Trudeau leads the charge on this). I wasn’t suggesting the Prime Minister not attend international summits but could curtail his domestic travels.

It’s also clear you haven’t paid attention to this story as 9 planes were bought but won’t be ready for service for several more months.

HughFreakingDillon

yeah, it is clear, cuz I don't really care that much. lol

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

yeah, it is clear, cuz I don't really care that much. lol

And yet here we are, lol.

HughFreakingDillon

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

DarthMaeglin

Here’s a hyper-partisan statement: why the fuck is the U.S. more interested in Chinese meddling in Canadian elections than the governing Liberal Party of Canada?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/michael-chong-congressional-testimony-china-interference-1.6964058

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol

I have my bar, you have yours and both are equally valid.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol

To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol

To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 

I don't. I said I'd like to see it happen. Maybe if he ever grants a one on one with any network besides CTV. lol

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

yes, on a message board that I frequent. 

this is one of those hyper partisan issues that people only bring up when they hate that particular politician. like POTUS golfing, for instance. 

this falls into the same category for me. there's horrendously wasteful spending on all sides. I just read a national post article saying he'd spent all but 11 days in the air in the summer. I read the details. there were a few photo ops, but the vast majority of his trips were actual PM related work, meeting dignitaries and attending events. 

it's better than "cowering in his cottage", wouldn't you say?

I’m just going to say that while I did invoke the Trudeau name, this actually has nothing to do with partisanship it’s straight up embarrassing, especially since, as I pointed out, the technician flying with the part commercially beat the TWO military flights dispatched (one of which seems to have been to only pick up the PM), and also completed the repair before either other flight could arrive.

Further, however, how does Trudeau feel about the carbon footprint of this operation?

straight up embarrassing? man, you got a low bar. I don't know why the commercial flight beat the military flights, so I can't comment on that, but also, I don't really think that's something to get all bothered about. 

your last question is a very valid one. I'd like to see him asked this as well. and pressed on it when he doesn't answer it. lol

To your last sentence,  based on what has happened in the past,  do you honestly believe that Trudeau will ever be taken to task for what many consider an outsized carbon footprint?  Your phrasing seems to imply you do. 

I don't. I said I'd like to see it happen. Maybe if he ever grants a one on one with any network besides CTV. lol

Or CBC, or Global,  or the Toronto Star,  the list really is quite extensive. The list of outlets that would call him out could be counted on one hand (and they've likely already been dismissed as fringe or far right).

HughFreakingDillon

CBC would. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

CBC would. 

Agree to strongly disagree on that one, they haven’t done anything but hold this government to account over 8 years, and stoke anti-Conservative sentiments at every turn (look at the coverage of their recent convention). At least from where I sit. I’m happy to be proven wrong as always.

Edit: Did I maybe misread your post and you were joking? I did make the assumption that you’re earnest in your defence of the CBC.

Parksy

Jordan D-Bag Peterson and Pierre Polievre once referred to the CBC as  "Justin Trudeau's Propaganda Machine." 

That alone is worthy of some serious eyebrow raising. 

I learn about all of Trudeau's corruption, scandals, and mistakes from the CBC. That by itself tosses out any notion of it being political propaganda. Full stop.  Those trying to make people believe that (aforementioned) have their own motivations.

If I had to choose one source of news, it would be CBC.  When I seek out political pundit opinions.. it's the CBC. They always make sense to me, and they do critique all parties. 

That said.. I do think Trudeau should experience more push back from all outlets. 

No disrespect intended here, but the media outlets on the 'far right' that go way out of their way to attack Trudeau are pure garbage. The ones that come to mind are the Sun, Rebel, True North.   It's laughable how cartoonish and immature they can be with regards to how they depict Trudeau and/or 'wokeness,'   They are Canada's versions of Fox, NewsMax, OAN.  

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

Jordan D-Bag Peterson and Pierre Polievre once referred to the CBC as  "Justin Trudeau's Propaganda Machine." 

That alone is worthy of some serious eyebrow raising. 

I learn about all of Trudeau's corruption, scandals, and mistakes from the CBC. That by itself tosses out any notion of it being political propaganda. Full stop.  Those trying to make people believe that (aforementioned) have their own motivations.

If I had to choose one source of news, it would be CBC.  When I seek out political pundit opinions.. it's the CBC. They always make sense to me, and they do critique all parties. 

That said.. I do think Trudeau should experience more push back from all outlets. 

No disrespect intended here, but the media outlets on the 'far right' that go way out of their way to attack Trudeau are pure garbage. The ones that come to mind are the Sun, Rebel, True North.   It's laughable how cartoonish and immature they can be with regards to how they depict Trudeau and/or 'wokeness,'   They are Canada's versions of Fox, NewsMax, OAN.  

You say you learn about all of Trudeau’s misdeeds through the CBC, fair enough, but my experience with their reporting is that when it comes to being critical they’re (more than) a day late in comparison with most of the other outlets (even the ones I cited as sympathetic). I have yet to see their chief columnist Aaron Wherry be full on critical (there’s always mitigating factors except for when he’s critiquing the Conservatives).

One of my biggest beefs with the CBC for well over a decade is that they tell me what to think on most issues instead of simply giving me the information and saving the opinion for the columns (something that’s now endemic throughout the industry in my opinion). It’s laughable how they won’t allow comments on certain sacred topics such as the climate or First Nations. When they’ve adopted a certain editorial slant then not allowing comments amounts to shutting down free speech, especially when the dissenters pay equally to everyone else to fund the network.

Are you equally dismissive of the media that blatantly swing to the left as well? I don’t go to either Rebel News or Bloomberg because they’re equally biased. But who has a correspondent as part of CBC’s At Issue panel? Not the Rebels, lol.

Maybe I look back on Knowlton Nash with rose-tinted glasses because I always felt he was informing me and it was sometime during Peter Mansbridge’s tenure that I felt I was being told what was the acceptable point of view to adopt. That was a huge turn off then and remains so today, though one possible benefit is that it forces me to seek out several sources, decode their bias and start to figure where the truth might lie.

 I don’t know if it bears reiterating but I strongly feel that privately-owned media are actually entitled to their biases, but when tax dollars are spent on a national broadcaster then they shouldn’t, as some have suggested, represent the majority view but need to represent as many views as possible. The publicly-funded broadcaster represents ALL of us.

Edit: CBC has only ever sued one political party in the middle of an election because CBC’s footage was used legally in an ad. That’s one pretty big tell to me as to where they stand.

DarthMaeglin

Compare and contrast: only one outlet mentions the financial penalty imposed. Seriously, why is that?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steven-guilbeault-must-unblock-ezra-levant-1.6964294

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/environment-minister-must-unblock-rebel-news-founder-levant-on-x-under-court-order-1.6558377

https://nationalpost.com/news/rebel-news-steven-guilbeault-twitter-battle

Edit: The CBC story has been updated (after repeated comments about the omission) that includes the financial penalty. When I posted the link it wasn’t in the article.