Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon

1ThoughtKnown said:

I was on a WestJet flight 4 years ago where the CEO for the company talked to everyone. There was a time when the safety demonstration was filled with jokes on WestJet flights. I think everyone is being a slight bit sanctimonious here when the flight was not a regularly scheduled flight. 

People just have to bitch and moan about everything. Social media is a wasteland, who pays attention to this shit anyways lol. You are going to boycott WestJet and what, fly Air Canada? Let me know how that works out for you. 

I fly a lot for work. The airlines are all the same. It’s all turned into a Greyhound bus ride, except for TransAtlantic flights. 

I miss how fun westjet flights used to be. I didn't fly often, but I always kind of looked forward to having a few laughs before flying through the sky in a metal tube with no leg room. 

DarthMaeglin

It’s cute how CBC fails to mention that many politicians have done this, including Justin Trudeau. Why were apologies not demanded then but are now? Is this another example of the Blackface Statute of Limitations?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-westjet-union-apology-pa-speech-1.6966909

DarthMaeglin

Hugh, you claimed earlier that Trudeau primarily used the jet to meet international leaders (which I assumed meant you were saying that he left the country, perhaps I was wrong), did the article you read differentiate between international trips and ones like this where a motorcade would be more environmentally conscious compared to the jet? This is not uncommon to see on his itinerary, and it seems nonsensical to receive other world leaders anywhere but Ottawa. Unless part of the renovation of Parliament moved the capital to Toronto?

static111

I'm in Prince George BC for work, and I gotta say you Canadians are great.  Sometimes when I follow th Canadian politics thread I think oh they are as fucked as we are.  People are so nice, in the field of heavy industry, if I was on a job site in the US it would literally be a bunch of white male assholes. Here its multicultural all genders, and everyone is respectful of each other and really generally relaxed.  I wish we were more like you back home.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

Hugh, you claimed earlier that Trudeau primarily used the jet to meet international leaders (which I assumed meant you were saying that he left the country, perhaps I was wrong), did the article you read differentiate between international trips and ones like this where a motorcade would be more environmentally conscious compared to the jet? This is not uncommon to see on his itinerary, and it seems nonsensical to receive other world leaders anywhere but Ottawa. Unless part of the renovation of Parliament moved the capital to Toronto?

yes, I didn't spend a huge amount of time on my "research" lol, but could only find his international flight history. unless you want to click on his daily itinerary. 

now, I don't know the reason behind the meeting being in Toronto, but had he driven, it would have been a 4.5 hour drive each way. I understand the environmental implications, but would 8 hours of driving be a good use of the PM's time and that of his staff? I wouldn't think so. 

I think there's a certain level of leniency we need to give world leaders when it comes to travel. I don't think it's hypocritical to talk about the environment and then jump on a private plane. It's the nature of the job. I spoke to my president about this post-covid. I asked him why we are going back to interprovincial travel when the technology for remote meetings is available and was successfully utilized during the height of the pandemic. He agreed that the technology is great, but there's just no replacing face to face. Which I get. They have significantly reduced the amount of travel, but there are still times when it's necessary. I'd say the same if it was Polliviere. 

HughFreakingDillon

static111 said:

I'm in Prince George BC for work, and I gotta say you Canadians are great.  Sometimes when I follow th Canadian politics thread I think oh they are as fucked as we are.  People are so nice, in the field of heavy industry, if I was on a job site in the US it would literally be a bunch of white male assholes. Here its multicultural all genders, and everyone is respectful of each other and really generally relaxed.  I wish we were more like you back home.

that's interesting. When my family was in Minneapolis for the Arctic Monkeys, one thing I found super noticeable was how friendly Americans were. Like, over the top friendly. Just regular folk at a baseball game or Valley Fair or whatever. People smiling and saying good morning to people they don't know. I don't get that same experience in Winnipeg. 

oftenreading

static111 said:

I'm in Prince George BC for work, and I gotta say you Canadians are great.  Sometimes when I follow th Canadian politics thread I think oh they are as fucked as we are.  People are so nice, in the field of heavy industry, if I was on a job site in the US it would literally be a bunch of white male assholes. Here its multicultural all genders, and everyone is respectful of each other and really generally relaxed.  I wish we were more like you back home.

I'm glad you are having a good experience. I was born in PG and lived there until I was 18. Haven't lived there since but I've spent time there visiting family and friends in the decades since. I am a little surprised that you are seeing a multicultural workplace since when I visit it still doesn't seem as diverse as I'm used to down near the coast, but good to know!

While you're there, check out Betulla Burning for pizza. I was there last fall with family and OMFSM was it ever out of this world good

 Betulla Burning

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Hugh, you claimed earlier that Trudeau primarily used the jet to meet international leaders (which I assumed meant you were saying that he left the country, perhaps I was wrong), did the article you read differentiate between international trips and ones like this where a motorcade would be more environmentally conscious compared to the jet? This is not uncommon to see on his itinerary, and it seems nonsensical to receive other world leaders anywhere but Ottawa. Unless part of the renovation of Parliament moved the capital to Toronto?

yes, I didn't spend a huge amount of time on my "research" lol, but could only find his international flight history. unless you want to click on his daily itinerary. 

now, I don't know the reason behind the meeting being in Toronto, but had he driven, it would have been a 4.5 hour drive each way. I understand the environmental implications, but would 8 hours of driving be a good use of the PM's time and that of his staff? I wouldn't think so. 

I think there's a certain level of leniency we need to give world leaders when it comes to travel. I don't think it's hypocritical to talk about the environment and then jump on a private plane. It's the nature of the job. I spoke to my president about this post-covid. I asked him why we are going back to interprovincial travel when the technology for remote meetings is available and was successfully utilized during the height of the pandemic. He agreed that the technology is great, but there's just no replacing face to face. Which I get. They have significantly reduced the amount of travel, but there are still times when it's necessary. I'd say the same if it was Polliviere. 

Thanks for clarifying a bit. This betrays my “obsession” with the current PM but I do regularly look at his itinerary.

To be fair to Trudeau, it’s not clear if he overnighted in Toronto (he flew here from London, Ontario yesterday to attend a Jewish festival), though if he did I’d put money down that he (and his entourage) didn’t stay at the Holiday Inn, more likely he stayed somewhere like the Royal York (wonder how much OJ cost wherever he stayed?). His itinerary doesn’t indicate if he slept in Ottawa or Toronto, I’ll admit that I assume he flew to Ottawa, however that’s based on observation of his travel habits.

 I do remain confused as to why so many world leaders aren’t received in the nation’s capital but it may sometimes be at the request of the visiting leader (Toronto probably has larger and more prominent ethnic communities than Ottawa, purely an anecdotal observation).

 I do agree that some leniency should be given, especially putting our PM (whoever it may be) on a private plane (though I would like to see the equation for what the PM pays for flying revisited, I think someone we pay more than $1,000/day could pay more than a coach fare). I would also think the PM could direct his office to arrange their travel so as to minimize the carbon footprint, but I haven’t heard of any of them doing so (most notably the current eco-warrior PM).

Also, face-to-face does have some advantages over zooming (although I’m sure there’s a tin foil hat theory that this can allow for more secret deals and other malfeasance, lol).

DarthMaeglin

The two leaders were opening a exhibition of Portuguese art here in Toronto so meeting here does make a certain amount of sense.

1ThoughtKnown

Im done with JT. He gotta go

static111

oftenreading said:

static111 said:

I'm in Prince George BC for work, and I gotta say you Canadians are great.  Sometimes when I follow th Canadian politics thread I think oh they are as fucked as we are.  People are so nice, in the field of heavy industry, if I was on a job site in the US it would literally be a bunch of white male assholes. Here its multicultural all genders, and everyone is respectful of each other and really generally relaxed.  I wish we were more like you back home.

I'm glad you are having a good experience. I was born in PG and lived there until I was 18. Haven't lived there since but I've spent time there visiting family and friends in the decades since. I am a little surprised that you are seeing a multicultural workplace since when I visit it still doesn't seem as diverse as I'm used to down near the coast, but good to know!

While you're there, check out Betulla Burning for pizza. I was there last fall with family and OMFSM was it ever out of this world good

 Betulla Burning

Thanks I will check it out after work tomorrow!

static111

@oftenreading thanks for the recommendation.  I almost went to crossroads brewery based of some other suggestions by local coworkers but I'm glad I went to Betulla! Probably the best wood fired pizza I have ever had.  I couldn't believe the taste.  Great beers on tap too.  A great end to my time in Prince George.

oftenreading

static111 said:

@oftenreading thanks for the recommendation.  I almost went to crossroads brewery based of some other suggestions by local coworkers but I'm glad I went to Betulla! Probably the best wood fired pizza I have ever had.  I couldn't believe the taste.  Great beers on tap too.  A great end to my time in Prince George.

That's good to know! I'm glad you enjoyed your time in PG and that it ended with a bang (and a good pie). 

DarthMaeglin

As my grandmother described it, the longest running comedy hour in Canada is back: federal Question Period,  lol. It truly is an absurd display by all sides. 

HughFreakingDillon

"MR SPEAKER, (THE OTHER SIDE) (DIDN'T DO THIS/DID THIS), AND THE CANADIAN PEOPLE DEMAND ANSWERS!"

HEAR HEAR!! HEAR HEAR!!!

god what a fucking waste of taxpayer dollars. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

"MR SPEAKER, (THE OTHER SIDE) (DIDN'T DO THIS/DID THIS), AND THE CANADIAN PEOPLE DEMAND ANSWERS!"

HEAR HEAR!! HEAR HEAR!!!

god what a fucking waste of taxpayer dollars. 

Don't forget the inevitable non-answer, lol.

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

1ThoughtKnown said:

Im done with JT. He gotta go

Who is replacing him? Pee-pee is a joke. He’s a wish version of trump and an Ali express version of desantis. 

Zod

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Im done with JT. He gotta go

Who is replacing him? Pee-pee is a joke. He’s a wish version of trump and an Ali express version of desantis. 

That's kind of the fallacy.  It doesn't matter who wins the next election, they'll most likely leave office with the country being in worse shape than they inherited it.  It's the way it goes.   Like South Park once said, we're choosing between a giant douche and a turd

HughFreakingDillon

I don't think the country is in worse shape BECAUSE of JT. and not only will PP not make it better, his regressive MAGA-like shit will make it much, much worse. 

HughFreakingDillon

so what do all of the "India was another disastrous trip for JT" folks say now?