Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

Perhaps the federal government could pass a law that all streets be given numbers instead of names (a la New York) and could provide funding for that effort.

I personally couldn’t immediately identify why most of the street names on the list would be considered offensive, just as the author suggests.

Regarding Dundas Street specifically, the man has been so misrepresented that I wouldn’t blame his descendants for suing for libel or slander. The man was a pragmatic abolitionist by every single objective reading of his words and actions.

I don’t know how much of an issue this is in other municipalities, I did hear that in Ottawa the Sir John A. MacDonald Parkway was renamed to something most of us will have difficulty pronouncing, much less remembering.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/yonge-st-wellesley-churchill-and-more-on-city-renaming-list

Edit to add a link to an informative column regarding Dundas and the historical slave trade in general.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/henry-dundas-the-abolitionist-deserves-commendation

DarthMaeglin

This will likely have Trudeau label the Saskatchewan government as “far right” (as he did with New Brunswick), but I really don’t see how this policy is bad, especially since they included provisions for students who fear disclosure would put them at risk at home. Parental rights should generally trump the state in my opinion. I’m hoping someone here can point out the problems better than the article does.

Something the article touches on is what rights minors have, which is a bit confusing to me. We accept that minors aren’t fully culpable in crimes (in fact under 12 has no culpability), which seems to run counter to what the article is positing, that youths have virtually the same rights as adults. Personally I agree with the outlook of giving youths some leniency (unless they become a habitual offender), but that’s having benefited from the old Young Offenders Act, but not having any kids of my own.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/new-education-policies-sex-education-pronoun-use-1.6943641

DarthMaeglin

I found this article/column interesting and added some insight into this issue. I’m still very interested in hearing any parents’ perspectives on this to gain further insight (I believe my (current) views are covered by my previous post. Now our (Ontario) education minister is being called homo- and transphobic for musing about a possible similar policy here yesterday.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-teacher-student-pronoun-name-education-school-policy-1.6950422

Edit: I didn’t think this was a local issue for me until I read the last sentence of this editorial. Sadly just another reason I’m actually glad I don’t have my own kids.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-mainstream-views-are-not-far-right

DarthMaeglin

In all honesty, am I maybe asking too personal a question here? If I am I apologize sincerely.

Parksy

My opinion I think is worthless in this instance. I don't know enough about the subject matter.  I will say that it's getting a lot of attention for all the wrong reasons and it's being used politically for all the wrong reasons by both parties. 

I have a young daughter... and I can say that right now... yes I want to be in the loop about everything.  

Down the road... should my daughter identify as a male or be confused with such things... my goal as a parent is to be a good enough parent that she could talk to me about it and I would be understanding and help her navigate things. 

Therein I think lies the problem...... 

Students out there do not all have supportive parents....   we live in a society where conversion therapy is still a thing for example. 

A 14 year old student could very well be in a situation where they do not identify with their biological gender and would consider school a safe space for them to express themselves accordingly.  The state is basically trying to say "no, you cannot be called by your preferred pronoun unless authorized by your parent"  (even if the parent would disown the child or worse for having those feelings.) 

It's very tricky... and very complicated.  I don't even know that I have a personal stance on it yet to be honest. 

Looking at precedence... considering that we have a Youth Criminal Justice Act...   as a society we have agreed that those under a certain age are to be treated differently under the Criminal Code.  That's something to be considered.  We also have Children's Aid and Child Protective services..... so we've also as a society agreed that we consent to the state interfering in family matters where the health of a child is concerned. 

It's fascinating for sure.  Parental rights vs. Student / child rights.  More education and more civilized debate is needed. 

Some food for thought with regards to the subject matter....  I heard a statistic that basically pointed out that in the last 5-10 years.. the number of students who have identified as LGBT+ has risen exponentially. I think there are a lot of people who would see that as a serious problem.  And then there are other people who would see that as a serious solution.  If you're the type of person who sees it as a problem... and you're a parent... I highly doubt your child will feel good about talking about it with you should they identify as LGBT+.  If that makes sense.  

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

In all honesty, am I maybe asking too personal a question here? If I am I apologize sincerely.

These conversations are good in my opinion

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

My opinion I think is worthless in this instance. I don't know enough about the subject matter.  I will say that it's getting a lot of attention for all the wrong reasons and it's being used politically for all the wrong reasons by both parties. 

I have a young daughter... and I can say that right now... yes I want to be in the loop about everything.  

Down the road... should my daughter identify as a male or be confused with such things... my goal as a parent is to be a good enough parent that she could talk to me about it and I would be understanding and help her navigate things. 

Therein I think lies the problem...... 

Students out there do not all have supportive parents....   we live in a society where conversion therapy is still a thing for example. 

A 14 year old student could very well be in a situation where they do not identify with their biological gender and would consider school a safe space for them to express themselves accordingly.  The state is basically trying to say "no, you cannot be called by your preferred pronoun unless authorized by your parent"  (even if the parent would disown the child or worse for having those feelings.) 

It's very tricky... and very complicated.  I don't even know that I have a personal stance on it yet to be honest. 

Looking at precedence... considering that we have a Youth Criminal Justice Act...   as a society we have agreed that those under a certain age are to be treated differently under the Criminal Code.  That's something to be considered.  We also have Children's Aid and Child Protective services..... so we've also as a society agreed that we consent to the state interfering in family matters where the health of a child is concerned. 

It's fascinating for sure.  Parental rights vs. Student / child rights.  More education and more civilized debate is needed. 

Some food for thought with regards to the subject matter....  I heard a statistic that basically pointed out that in the last 5-10 years.. the number of students who have identified as LGBT+ has risen exponentially. I think there are a lot of people who would see that as a serious problem.  And then there are other people who would see that as a serious solution.  If you're the type of person who sees it as a problem... and you're a parent... I highly doubt your child will feel good about talking about it with you should they identify as LGBT+.  If that makes sense.  

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

In all honesty, am I maybe asking too personal a question here? If I am I apologize sincerely.

These conversations are good in my opinion

Thank you for your insights, you regularly add layers for me to consider. It sounds like you’re not one of the parents we need to be concerned about, which touches on one of my concerns with part of how this discussion is being framed.

One side of the discussion seems to be suggesting that the default position should be that all parents would be unsupportive of pronoun changes and so on, which is something I just can’t believe. The vast majority of parents are loving and supportive of their children I think, and the problematic parents are a small subset (of what is a small (but growing) subset to begin with) so while many of these kids will likely express some hesitation about telling their parents that doesn’t automatically mean that they will face abuse at home.

 The Saskatchewan policy seems reasonable to me in that it defaults to the parents unless there’s assertions by the child that they would not be “allowed” to come out at home (I should look into the specifics of standards required to validate the child’s claims…the devil’s always in the details after all).

I’m personally all for letting kids explore who they are and I’m glad we’ve culturally moved to a more open place. However, if one isn’t allowed to decide their own bedtime (or are even subject to a curfew, lol), I do think you’re probably not ready to make some of these life-defining decisions (especially on your own and I defer to parents over the state generally).

Full disclosure here (and this is something I haven’t disclosed outside of my therapy until now), and without getting too specific, this is something I considered myself (moreso beginning in my teens) so I do feel a lot of sympathy for anyone grappling with this at any stage of their life. Ironically for this discussion school never felt like a safe space to address it but even back then it was clear that home would have been supportive (and yet I still haven’t “come out” as bi, lol, it is what it is). In the end I found that I’m perfectly happy being a guy but that’s not where everyone’s journey will end up. I guess I’m maybe looking at this more from the kids angle than the parents, but my own experience isn’t anywhere near what it would have been if it happened in the last decade or so (just different is all, lol).

As I’ve said I don’t have my own kids but I do have nieces and nephews as well as friends’ kids and the only thing I ever want to do is help them be themselves, and I have to give a huge tip of my hat to all the parents out there who are doing the best they can.

Edited to add “until now” in the disclosure, lol.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

My opinion I think is worthless in this instance. I don't know enough about the subject matter.  I will say that it's getting a lot of attention for all the wrong reasons and it's being used politically for all the wrong reasons by both parties. 

I have a young daughter... and I can say that right now... yes I want to be in the loop about everything.  

Down the road... should my daughter identify as a male or be confused with such things... my goal as a parent is to be a good enough parent that she could talk to me about it and I would be understanding and help her navigate things. 

Therein I think lies the problem...... 

Students out there do not all have supportive parents....   we live in a society where conversion therapy is still a thing for example. 

A 14 year old student could very well be in a situation where they do not identify with their biological gender and would consider school a safe space for them to express themselves accordingly.  The state is basically trying to say "no, you cannot be called by your preferred pronoun unless authorized by your parent"  (even if the parent would disown the child or worse for having those feelings.) 

It's very tricky... and very complicated.  I don't even know that I have a personal stance on it yet to be honest. 

Looking at precedence... considering that we have a Youth Criminal Justice Act...   as a society we have agreed that those under a certain age are to be treated differently under the Criminal Code.  That's something to be considered.  We also have Children's Aid and Child Protective services..... so we've also as a society agreed that we consent to the state interfering in family matters where the health of a child is concerned. 

It's fascinating for sure.  Parental rights vs. Student / child rights.  More education and more civilized debate is needed. 

Some food for thought with regards to the subject matter....  I heard a statistic that basically pointed out that in the last 5-10 years.. the number of students who have identified as LGBT+ has risen exponentially. I think there are a lot of people who would see that as a serious problem.  And then there are other people who would see that as a serious solution.  If you're the type of person who sees it as a problem... and you're a parent... I highly doubt your child will feel good about talking about it with you should they identify as LGBT+.  If that makes sense.  

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

In all honesty, am I maybe asking too personal a question here? If I am I apologize sincerely.

These conversations are good in my opinion

Thank you for your insights, you regularly add layers for me to consider. It sounds like you’re not one of the parents we need to be concerned about, which touches on one of my concerns with part of how this discussion is being framed.

One side of the discussion seems to be suggesting that the default position should be that all parents would be unsupportive of pronoun changes and so on, which is something I just can’t believe. The vast majority of parents are loving and supportive of their children I think, and the problematic parents are a small subset (of what is a small (but growing) subset to begin with) so while many of these kids will likely express some hesitation about telling their parents that doesn’t automatically mean that they will face abuse at home.

 The Saskatchewan policy seems reasonable to me in that it defaults to the parents unless there’s assertions by the child that they would not be “allowed” to come out at home (I should look into the specifics of standards required to validate the child’s claims…the devil’s always in the details after all).

I’m personally all for letting kids explore who they are and I’m glad we’ve culturally moved to a more open place. However, if one isn’t allowed to decide their own bedtime (or are even subject to a curfew, lol), I do think you’re probably not ready to make some of these life-defining decisions (especially on your own and I defer to parents over the state generally).

Full disclosure here (and this is something I haven’t disclosed outside of my therapy until now), and without getting too specific, this is something I considered myself (moreso beginning in my teens) so I do feel a lot of sympathy for anyone grappling with this at any stage of their life. Ironically for this discussion school never felt like a safe space to address it but even back then it was clear that home would have been supportive (and yet I still haven’t “come out” as bi, lol, it is what it is). In the end I found that I’m perfectly happy being a guy but that’s not where everyone’s journey will end up. I guess I’m maybe looking at this more from the kids angle than the parents, but my own experience isn’t anywhere near what it would have been if it happened in the last decade or so (just different is all, lol).

As I’ve said I don’t have my own kids but I do have nieces and nephews as well as friends’ kids and the only thing I ever want to do is help them be themselves, and I have to give a huge tip of my hat to all the parents out there who are doing the best they can.

Edited to add “until now” in the disclosure, lol.

hopefully I did it correctly .. lol  but  I tired to bold what you said.  These are the types of nuances that are important.  I think it was New Brunswick as well that got wrapped up in some controversy about the same subject...  and what got lost was that in these policies were many provisions that allowed for care, counselling, and other considerations. 

And perhaps it's just due to me not seeing or looking hard enough .. but I've seen so far what some politicians are opining etc. but I haven't seen much in terms of what teachers and students are saying.  

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

Interesting article, thanks, as someone who’s gone by a name that’s not on my birth certificate essentially since birth the author does a good job explaining what the experience used to be when navigating what one’s called (completely separate from any sexuality aspect). I probably would need a permission slip today but pronouns would be included as well regardless of whether I wanted to change them or not, lol.

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

My opinion I think is worthless in this instance. I don't know enough about the subject matter.  I will say that it's getting a lot of attention for all the wrong reasons and it's being used politically for all the wrong reasons by both parties. 

I have a young daughter... and I can say that right now... yes I want to be in the loop about everything.  

Down the road... should my daughter identify as a male or be confused with such things... my goal as a parent is to be a good enough parent that she could talk to me about it and I would be understanding and help her navigate things. 

Therein I think lies the problem...... 

Students out there do not all have supportive parents....   we live in a society where conversion therapy is still a thing for example. 

A 14 year old student could very well be in a situation where they do not identify with their biological gender and would consider school a safe space for them to express themselves accordingly.  The state is basically trying to say "no, you cannot be called by your preferred pronoun unless authorized by your parent"  (even if the parent would disown the child or worse for having those feelings.) 

It's very tricky... and very complicated.  I don't even know that I have a personal stance on it yet to be honest. 

Looking at precedence... considering that we have a Youth Criminal Justice Act...   as a society we have agreed that those under a certain age are to be treated differently under the Criminal Code.  That's something to be considered.  We also have Children's Aid and Child Protective services..... so we've also as a society agreed that we consent to the state interfering in family matters where the health of a child is concerned. 

It's fascinating for sure.  Parental rights vs. Student / child rights.  More education and more civilized debate is needed. 

Some food for thought with regards to the subject matter....  I heard a statistic that basically pointed out that in the last 5-10 years.. the number of students who have identified as LGBT+ has risen exponentially. I think there are a lot of people who would see that as a serious problem.  And then there are other people who would see that as a serious solution.  If you're the type of person who sees it as a problem... and you're a parent... I highly doubt your child will feel good about talking about it with you should they identify as LGBT+.  If that makes sense.  

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

In all honesty, am I maybe asking too personal a question here? If I am I apologize sincerely.

These conversations are good in my opinion

Thank you for your insights, you regularly add layers for me to consider. It sounds like you’re not one of the parents we need to be concerned about, which touches on one of my concerns with part of how this discussion is being framed.

One side of the discussion seems to be suggesting that the default position should be that all parents would be unsupportive of pronoun changes and so on, which is something I just can’t believe. The vast majority of parents are loving and supportive of their children I think, and the problematic parents are a small subset (of what is a small (but growing) subset to begin with) so while many of these kids will likely express some hesitation about telling their parents that doesn’t automatically mean that they will face abuse at home.

 The Saskatchewan policy seems reasonable to me in that it defaults to the parents unless there’s assertions by the child that they would not be “allowed” to come out at home (I should look into the specifics of standards required to validate the child’s claims…the devil’s always in the details after all).

I’m personally all for letting kids explore who they are and I’m glad we’ve culturally moved to a more open place. However, if one isn’t allowed to decide their own bedtime (or are even subject to a curfew, lol), I do think you’re probably not ready to make some of these life-defining decisions (especially on your own and I defer to parents over the state generally).

Full disclosure here (and this is something I haven’t disclosed outside of my therapy until now), and without getting too specific, this is something I considered myself (moreso beginning in my teens) so I do feel a lot of sympathy for anyone grappling with this at any stage of their life. Ironically for this discussion school never felt like a safe space to address it but even back then it was clear that home would have been supportive (and yet I still haven’t “come out” as bi, lol, it is what it is). In the end I found that I’m perfectly happy being a guy but that’s not where everyone’s journey will end up. I guess I’m maybe looking at this more from the kids angle than the parents, but my own experience isn’t anywhere near what it would have been if it happened in the last decade or so (just different is all, lol).

As I’ve said I don’t have my own kids but I do have nieces and nephews as well as friends’ kids and the only thing I ever want to do is help them be themselves, and I have to give a huge tip of my hat to all the parents out there who are doing the best they can.

Edited to add “until now” in the disclosure, lol.

hopefully I did it correctly .. lol  but  I tired to bold what you said.  These are the types of nuances that are important.  I think it was New Brunswick as well that got wrapped up in some controversy about the same subject...  and what got lost was that in these policies were many provisions that allowed for care, counselling, and other considerations. 

And perhaps it's just due to me not seeing or looking hard enough .. but I've seen so far what some politicians are opining etc. but I haven't seen much in terms of what teachers and students are saying.  

I agree some of the loudest voices have been the politicians, with some parents as well. I also agree that teachers and students need to be heard as well, in fact the CBC column I posted incorporated both those perspectives in addition to the parental though the overall tone wasn’t particularly balanced, lol.

DarthMaeglin

I’ve been critical of Trudeau countless times on this and without hesitancy I’ll ask Doug Ford: Where, oh where has ministerial responsibility gone? Even with the report recommending a reprimand, resignation is the only honourable step.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenbelt-steve-clark-integrity-commissioner-report-1.6952133

As I was about to hit post I realized there’s a morbid Def Leppard joke to be had in the link, lol.

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

Great post.  Two things resonate from this with me.  

The first is the idea that yes someone should be able to be comfortable being called what they want and that SHOULD be out of respect and courtesy.  This applies to transgender folks as well.  Want me to call you Jane instead of Jake? Sure. (like who cares?)

The second and extremely poignant point that this fellow raises:  "in those ancient days had more important matters of government to deal with."   This is exactly what I meant by politicians (all of them) using this for all the wrong reasons.  

Lots of people, us included spend a ton of time opining on these things.. and I think for the most part it's because our governments and media do as well.  In abundance.  But in the long run these are to me at least very minor issues. 

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

I’ve been critical of Trudeau countless times on this and without hesitancy I’ll ask Doug Ford: Where, oh where has ministerial responsibility gone? Even with the report recommending a reprimand, resignation is the only honourable step.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenbelt-steve-clark-integrity-commissioner-report-1.6952133

As I was about to hit post I realized there’s a morbid Def Leppard joke to be had in the link, lol.

This is but another example of the lack of accountability in government. 

The good thing (to a certain extent) about our democracy is that we will have an opportunity to use our right to vote to remove them all. 

That said...  the damage will massively already be done. 

I cannot recall any other profession that has so many opportunities to hide or correct gross negligence, stupidity, and in this case a gross dereliction of duty for corrupt purposes... than government. 

Interestingly.. in both Canada and America ... there are feeble attempts at accountability but they are worthless. 

'Oh, we did an investigation into [Trump, Ford, Trudeau... you name it] all at the taxpayers expense... and by gosh, yes we have some issues here.  We're gonna go ahead and make this public, and refer this to another tax payer investigation that will lead nowhere.'  And the shit cycle continues. 

DarthMaeglin

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

I’ve been critical of Trudeau countless times on this and without hesitancy I’ll ask Doug Ford: Where, oh where has ministerial responsibility gone? Even with the report recommending a reprimand, resignation is the only honourable step.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenbelt-steve-clark-integrity-commissioner-report-1.6952133

As I was about to hit post I realized there’s a morbid Def Leppard joke to be had in the link, lol.

This is but another example of the lack of accountability in government. 

The good thing (to a certain extent) about our democracy is that we will have an opportunity to use our right to vote to remove them all. 

That said...  the damage will massively already be done. 

I cannot recall any other profession that has so many opportunities to hide or correct gross negligence, stupidity, and in this case a gross dereliction of duty for corrupt purposes... than government. 

Interestingly.. in both Canada and America ... there are feeble attempts at accountability but they are worthless. 

'Oh, we did an investigation into [Trump, Ford, Trudeau... you name it] all at the taxpayers expense... and by gosh, yes we have some issues here.  We're gonna go ahead and make this public, and refer this to another tax payer investigation that will lead nowhere.'  And the shit cycle continues. 

Time for reasonable recall legislation, except I don’t see any politician putting that forward.

Parksy

DarthMaeglin said:

Parksy said:

DarthMaeglin said:

I’ve been critical of Trudeau countless times on this and without hesitancy I’ll ask Doug Ford: Where, oh where has ministerial responsibility gone? Even with the report recommending a reprimand, resignation is the only honourable step.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greenbelt-steve-clark-integrity-commissioner-report-1.6952133

As I was about to hit post I realized there’s a morbid Def Leppard joke to be had in the link, lol.

This is but another example of the lack of accountability in government. 

The good thing (to a certain extent) about our democracy is that we will have an opportunity to use our right to vote to remove them all. 

That said...  the damage will massively already be done. 

I cannot recall any other profession that has so many opportunities to hide or correct gross negligence, stupidity, and in this case a gross dereliction of duty for corrupt purposes... than government. 

Interestingly.. in both Canada and America ... there are feeble attempts at accountability but they are worthless. 

'Oh, we did an investigation into [Trump, Ford, Trudeau... you name it] all at the taxpayers expense... and by gosh, yes we have some issues here.  We're gonna go ahead and make this public, and refer this to another tax payer investigation that will lead nowhere.'  And the shit cycle continues. 

Time for reasonable recall legislation, except I don’t see any politician putting that forward.

correct lol 

DarthMaeglin

An interesting read about a group that’s acting similarly to a certain much-maligned convoy. Is it time again for the Emergencies Act to save the Ottawa residents? These guys want to dictate government policy just like the truckers did (supposedly, it turns out that was a gross mischaracterization by many in the mainstream media). I’m guessing in this case the cause will be judged to be just, lol.

This is some of what Trudeau has set the stage for with his flimsy use of our most draconian legislation. Same question applied to the port workers strike out west a couple months ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-on2ottawa-climate-protest-1.6953456

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

An interesting read about a group that’s acting similarly to a certain much-maligned convoy. Is it time again for the Emergencies Act to save the Ottawa residents? These guys want to dictate government policy just like the truckers did (supposedly, it turns out that was a gross mischaracterization by many in the mainstream media). I’m guessing in this case the cause will be judged to be just, lol.

This is some of what Trudeau has set the stage for with his flimsy use of our most draconian legislation. Same question applied to the port workers strike out west a couple months ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-on2ottawa-climate-protest-1.6953456

illegal protests are illegal protests. I don't give two shits if I agree with the cause or not. you disrupt the public, you face consequences. you are doing nothing but pissing off the people you are trying to gain support from. stand on the side of the road to raise awareness. like striking workers usually do. 

one caveat is if the cause in question is imminent destruction to land that isn't the government's or private firm's to take/destroy (or at least, disputed). then, depending on context, I may or may not support it. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

An interesting read about a group that’s acting similarly to a certain much-maligned convoy. Is it time again for the Emergencies Act to save the Ottawa residents? These guys want to dictate government policy just like the truckers did (supposedly, it turns out that was a gross mischaracterization by many in the mainstream media). I’m guessing in this case the cause will be judged to be just, lol.

This is some of what Trudeau has set the stage for with his flimsy use of our most draconian legislation. Same question applied to the port workers strike out west a couple months ago.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-on2ottawa-climate-protest-1.6953456

illegal protests are illegal protests. I don't give two shits if I agree with the cause or not. you disrupt the public, you face consequences. you are doing nothing but pissing off the people you are trying to gain support from. stand on the side of the road to raise awareness. like striking workers usually do. 

one caveat is if the cause in question is imminent destruction to land that isn't the government's or private firm's to take/destroy (or at least, disputed). then, depending on context, I may or may not support it. 

The article does point out 36 arrests so there is that, lol.

Disputed lands (I presume you’re alluding to First Nations claims) is definitely a sticky issue where the only real solution I see is to settle them in a final way, except there’s so many varying claims and overlapping jurisdictions that it really is a hornet’s nest. I don’t know if it would maybe require reexamining the constitution as well which would then make for another hornet’s nest unfortunately.

An irony is that I fully support a certain degree of civil disobedience, but actions like the Coutts conspiracy, Coastal Gas Link attack or the Toronto G20 riots will always be offside to me.

DarthMaeglin

For the better-late-than-never file, but it is progress nonetheless.

I’d feel badly for Johnston as another casualty of Justin Trudeau’s incompetence except if his judgment truly was sound he would never have taken the appointment just based on the optics of the closeness of his and the Trudeau families. Unfortunately some of the information that surfaced around Johnston’s closeness to China was also inconsistent with the job he was being tasked with. Sure, Justin never should have asked him, but he chose to accept the “special rapporteur” position that was created just for him, lol.

A bit disingenuous of columnist Wherry to not acknowledge that all of his columns on this topic until now have essentially mirrored the Liberals’ position, and he makes continued attempts to blame the opposition parties (who, it must be noted, represent a clear majority in the House of Commons). He also avoids mentioning the misinformation campaign that was noted during recent by elections.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/foreign-interference-hogue-inquiry-analysis-1.6959756